It seems to have flown under the radar but we have secured a VFLW licence.
According to Damien Keeping:
“We’re incredibly pleased to have been granted a VFLW licence for the 2018 season, which will further strengthen our pathways to develop young talent coming through the ranks in women’s football,” Keeping said.
“The VFLW program will work alongside our senior women’s side, meaning there will be a strong continuity and alignment for our players in the program.
“Being awarded a licence is a further show of faith that Carlton is genuine in its approach to women’s football and we’re delighted to only strengthen that commitment with a VFLW side in 2018 and beyond.”
Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond and St Kilda have also been granted licences and the Victoria University Western Spurs will become the Western Bulldogs.
Not bad for a club that supposedly is no longer one of the "Big 4" :)
Will be interesting to see how this affects the teams that have been carrying the womens league for decades.
Will be interesting to see how this affects the teams that have been carrying the womens league for decades.
Yes, that will be interesting. Darebin is sounding confident - and why wouldn't they - but it's going to be a very different competition.
Yes, that will be interesting. Darebin is sounding confident - and why wouldn't they - but it's going to be a very different competition.
Have they confirmed yet whether the players already playing in the AFLW will now have to align with their clubs VFLW team? If so, a few clubs will be hit substantially.
I reckon the traditional clubs will fall down, and the "AFL" branded clubs will rise.
Its what happened in mens soccer anyway.
Have they confirmed yet whether the players already playing in the AFLW will now have to align with their clubs VFLW team? If so, a few clubs will be hit substantially.
I'm not sure but I'd be surprised if they don't. As Keeping said, there are benefits in having the AFLW and VFLW teams training together.
I'd really hate to see the traditional clubs decimated by this decision, but on the other hand, it helps grow the women's game substantially.
I hope they phase it in rather than make all of the aligned players move across next season.
NM, what do you think about this transgender player nominating, do you think it is fair?
I'm concerned that they'll be immediately bigger and stronger than any opponent, we are not talking about an average person as she is a former Olympian!
Even so, if it wasn't an former Olympian is it fair?
NM, what do you think about this transgender player nominating, do you think it is fair?
I'm concerned that they'll be immediately bigger and stronger than any opponent, we are not talking about an average person as she is a former Olympian!
Even so, if it wasn't an former Olympian is it fair?
Not quite Olympian LP. I understand she was a member of the handball team that failed to qualify.
NM, what do you think about this transgender player nominating, do you think it is fair?
I'm concerned that they'll be immediately bigger and stronger than any opponent, we are not talking about an average person as she is a former Olympian!
Even so, if it wasn't an former Olympian is it fair?
To be honest, I'm really conflicted over this one. I'm obviously very supportive of everyone in the LGBTQI community, but I'm also such a huge supporter of women's sport, particularly the AFLW. My main concern with the whole situation is what sort of negative impact it would have on the marketability of the sport.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I condone the anticipated commentary, but in a country that can't even agree on SSM, I don't think as a society we're capable of being open minded enough about a trans woman playing in our elite competition. I've already seen the plethora of disgusting and derogatory comments on articles relating to Hannah, that would only escalate further if she were to be drafted.
While the AFLW is still in its infancy, I am worried that a move this big will hurt the image of the sport and give the haters even more ammunition to mock it. If this were 10 years down the track and AFLW was fully established with greater credibility in the larger community, then sure, I'd have no problem with it. I just don't want the competition to be hindered before its given a chance to thrive, as unfair as that is.
Not that it was publicised, but a number of highly talented female players were overlooked in last years draft due to concerns about their mental health and history of depression related issues. Part of the reasoning behind that was that the clubs was concerned how they would cope with such intense and often negative scrutiny. Given Hannah has admitted to having experienced similar issues (understandably) due to her transition, surely that same level of caution should be shown?
To add to that, I've read a number of other trans women themselves question the move. Given Hannah has only been transitioning for two years, her body is still only part way through its process of conversion. I know that her testosterone levels are below what the IOC requires of its athletes to compete in womens sports, but given that this is a fairly uncommon issue, are we sure that this is a correct way to measure eligibility? One woman, who was actually the first trans female to play in a womens football team, is quite against the move due to the strength that Hannah still would have at this stage of her transition.
So yeah, basically, if this were 10 years down the track, and maybe Hannah was a few more years into her transition, I'd be very much in favour of the move. I love to see diversity in our sports people. But I fear that the timing isn't right given the immaturity of the competition and current societal views on trans people and LGBTQI issues in general.
Is there another AFLW player that even close to Mouncey's size, I read somewhere she is +190cm and 90kg of muscle!
Excluding McKinnon who is 189cm, most AFLW rucks are around the 180cm mark.
I doubt any others would approach the 90kg of lean muscle, we can ignore the search on that one!
btw., I think it is very wrong not to publish the AFLW playing weights, if they want to be role models for anorexic teenagers or children they shouldn't be hiding those numbers!
There is no doubt they are healthy, why not publish healthy weights?
Not quite Olympian LP. I understand she was a member of the handball team that failed to qualify.
Irrespective, I think that professional competition for transgender athletes needs to be with males.
Males and females shouldn't compete physically, irrespective as the sexes are not equal physically.
Is there another AFLW player that even close to Mouncey's size, I read somewhere she is +190cm and 90kg of muscle!
Excluding McKinnon who is 189cm, most AFLW rucks are around the 180cm mark.
I doubt any others would approach the 90kg of lean muscle, we can ignore the search on that one!
btw., I think it is very wrong not to publish the AFLW playing weights, if they want to be role models for anorexic teenagers or children they shouldn't be hiding those numbers!
There is no doubt they are healthy, why not publish healthy weights?
No one comes close to her size in the AFLW. I agree about the playing weights, it's kind of weird that they don't list them.
No one comes close to her size in the AFLW. I agree about the playing weights, it's kind of weird that they don't list them.
Ive yet to meet a female who's weight wasnt a sensitive topic so perhaps they elected to leave it out to avoid the discomfort??
Guys don't care as much about weight imho.
Anyway. We shall see.
Ive yet to meet a female who's weight wasnt a sensitive topic so perhaps they elected to leave it out to avoid the discomfort??
If this was a Karate, Taekwondo, Boxing or Judo tournament everybody would know the weights by a weight class!
I think what the AFLW is doing just reinforces the stereotype, I've talked this through with my wife and relatives and we concluded it was a decision made by a male! You think if Tayla Harris was 70kg of muscle she'd want everybody to know it!
If this was a Karate, Taekwondo, Boxing or Judo tournament everybody would know the weights by a weight class!
I think what the AFLW is doing just reinforces the stereotype, I've talked this through with my wife and relatives and we concluded it was a decision made by a male! You think if Tayla Harris was 70kg of muscle she'd want everybody to know it!
I disagree. But you guys have reached a consensus that can't possibly be biased so we can declare you correct if you wish.
Like I said, Ive yet to meet a female where weight wasn't a sensitive topic irrespective of what they look like.
FWIW, the most dominant player in the AFLW - Erin Phillips, who is ALL muscle and a freak athlete is listed as 173cm and 75kg.
It seems that there's no specific rule/policy on transgender players and, as things stand, there's no obstacle to Hannah's registration.
Apparently Liz Cambage is considering putting her hand up for an AFLW spot. She makes Hannah Mouncey seem quite small :)
It seems that there's no specific rule/policy on transgender players and, as things stand, there's no obstacle to Hannah's registration.
Apparently Liz Cambage is considering putting her hand up for an AFLW spot. She makes Hannah Mouncey seem quite small :)
Even if she is eligible, it will be interesting to see if any club will take the punt.
Apparently Liz Cambage is considering putting her hand up for an AFLW spot. She makes Hannah Mouncey seem quite small :)
Regardless of the reason Cambage has been very divisive in previous team environments, would we want her?
Even if she is eligible, it will be interesting to see if any club will take the punt.
Drop or torpedo NM? ;)
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I understand the reference to the banana kick, and the double entendra alluding to her mental facilities, but in today's PC world, somehow you can call her a drop kick, but banana sits in dangerous territory.
Unfortunately, we have to be careful these days. It quickly goes from zero to 100 with no in between and you get labelled a bigot.
Of course, I don't think you are as I find you a very even and level headed poster.
Sorry to say this stuff...
:-[
The AFLW have scuppered Mouncey's plans for 2018.
It will be interesting to see what happens next year, radio is reporting Hanna Mouncey is Pre-OP. media reported her as transitioned, but I gather Pre-OP mean s not quite yet. I'm not sure what that means physically and mentally to someone already in transition therapy, and what effects it has physically when they resume training, etc.,etc..
She played three games only in 2017 and destroyed the opposition with 17 goals despite allegedly being the slowest player on the ground. Opposition reports said that despite the lack of speed if her club could get the football in her area she was clearly more powerful than any other player on the ground. AFLW scouts had declared she would be a top ten pick.
I wonder what Hanna's bone density would be like, on SEN they said she was about the same size and weight as The Ox! Can you imagine the devastation a collision on field could cause, what would be the legal or insurance ramifications?
A co-worker made an interesting point today, if someone was transitioning the other way, would they be allowed to compete with inflated testosterone levels? We sort of concluded there is some asymmetry in this debate, in that the transition is not equally the same in both directions. Going one way looks like downhill skiing, while the other would be climbing Everest!
Lots of questions, most of them unanswered.
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I understand the reference to the banana kick, and the double entendra alluding to her mental facilities, but in today's PC world, somehow you can call her a drop kick, but banana sits in dangerous territory.
Unfortunately, we have to be careful these days. It quickly goes from zero to 100 with no in between and you get labelled a bigot.
Of course, I don't think you are as I find you a very even and level headed poster.
Sorry to say this stuff...
:-[
Nah fair call on that, have removed the post. Sorry if it offended anyone.
The AFLW have scuppered Mouncey's plans for 2018.
It will be interesting to see what happens next year, radio is reporting Hanna Mouncey is Pre-OP. media reported her as transitioned, but I gather Pre-OP mean s not quite yet. I'm not sure what that means physically and mentally to someone already in transition therapy, and what effects it has physically when they resume training, etc.,etc..
She played three games only in 2017 and destroyed the opposition with 17 goals despite allegedly being the slowest player on the ground. Opposition reports said that despite the lack of speed if her club could get the football in her area she was clearly more powerful than any other player on the ground. AFLW scouts had declared she would be a top ten pick.
I wonder what Hanna's bone density would be like, on SEN they said she was about the same size and weight as The Ox! Can you imagine the devastation a collision on field could cause, what would be the legal or insurance ramifications?
A co-worker made an interesting point today, if someone was transitioning the other way, would they be allowed to compete with inflated testosterone levels? We sort of concluded there is some asymmetry in this debate, in that the transition is not equally the same in both directions. Going one way looks like downhill skiing, while the other would be climbing Everest!
Lots of questions, most of them unanswered.
I think the AFL have made the right decision on this one. It's interesting that they've said that their decision specifically relates to this years draft, and next years competition, which leaves the door ajar for Hannah to nominate in subsequent years.
They did mention the maturity of the Competition as a deciding factor also, which I think is on the money.
Nah fair call on that, have removed the post. Sorry if it offended anyone.
All good nm. I am sure we all know nothing was meant by it.