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Title: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on September 24, 2013, 08:11:50 am
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Carlton’s Chris Yarran will be seeking some Grand Final glory of his own this weekend, with the Blues’ No.13 set to take part in the AFL Grand Final Sprint.

Yarran admits he isn’t doing any “special” preparation ahead of the big race.

“I’m basically going to wing it and see how I go,” Yarran said. “My plan is to go out there and put my foot down and hope for a win, but there are a lot of quick fellas out there, so I’m going to have my work cut out.”

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-23/yarran-to-tackle-afls-fastest

LOL. Why doesn't the 'winging it' part surprise me?  ;D
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: DJC on September 24, 2013, 10:03:09 am
I heard Judd say that Yarran is like other athletes with elite speed in that his aerobic capacity is not great (I suspect it's better than Garlett's).  Yarran should be able to maintain his speed over the distance but the start will be critical.

While he says he will wing it, it wouldn't surprise me if he's working his butt off with the running coach (if we still have one).

Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 24, 2013, 10:08:27 am
Dangerfield smashed Jetta a couple of years ago so it will be tough for Yarran.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 24, 2013, 10:33:19 am
Be interesting to see how he goes actually. I always think that he takes 15 - 20m to get into his stride before he pulls away. When he gets caught it seems to me to be in that first 15 - 20m.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Thryleon on September 24, 2013, 10:36:11 am
I think perhaps the most interesting bit of information in the article is the fact that he is friends with Michael Walters.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: shadesy on September 24, 2013, 03:59:39 pm
I think perhaps the most interesting bit of information in the article is the fact that he is friends with Michael Walters.

Not really.

Him, Walters and Nic Nat grew up in the same Street in Midvale Perth and all played For Swans together.

"Two young men of different ethnic backgrounds: Yarran, proudly indigenous, and Sydney-born Naitanui whose parents came from the Fijian capital of Suva.

Their friendship is non-negotiable, born from growing up six houses apart and sharing everything that teenage boys go through.

Naitanui, the one with the school smarts, whether he was topping maths or acting as an accountant on footy trips. Yarran, with the quiet demeanour but ready smile and genuine warmth once comfortable in his space.

Michael Walters grew up in the same street and is on Fremantle's list after being drafted at No.53 in the same 2008 draft in which Naitanui went No.2 and Yarran No.6.

He visits his mother, who still lives in the street, and plays pool with Nico, just as they did as kids.

For Walters, tomorrow night will be about his mates - not the teams."
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Thryleon on September 24, 2013, 04:16:16 pm
I think perhaps the most interesting bit of information in the article is the fact that he is friends with Michael Walters.

Not really.

Him, Walters and Nic Nat grew up in the same Street in Midvale Perth and all played For Swans together.

"Two young men of different ethnic backgrounds: Yarran, proudly indigenous, and Sydney-born Naitanui whose parents came from the Fijian capital of Suva.

Their friendship is non-negotiable, born from growing up six houses apart and sharing everything that teenage boys go through.

Naitanui, the one with the school smarts, whether he was topping maths or acting as an accountant on footy trips. Yarran, with the quiet demeanour but ready smile and genuine warmth once comfortable in his space.

Michael Walters grew up in the same street and is on Fremantle's list after being drafted at No.53 in the same 2008 draft in which Naitanui went No.2 and Yarran No.6.

He visits his mother, who still lives in the street, and plays pool with Nico, just as they did as kids.

For Walters, tomorrow night will be about his mates - not the teams."

Really?  You dont find the fact that Walters (disciplined by Lyon) and Yarran (Disciplined by Malthouse) grew up as childhood friends?

I do.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: shadesy on September 24, 2013, 04:41:18 pm
I don't find the fact what?
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: kruddler on September 24, 2013, 05:11:43 pm
There are plenty of guys who are fast.

You need good top end speed, obviously, but you also need to be good off the blocks.

Be interesting to see how yazz goes. Wouldn't mind seeing Garlett and Eddy in it too so we can settle it once and for all.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: flyboy77 on September 24, 2013, 05:15:06 pm
Not the actions of a guy on the cusp of leaving a Club either?
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Bennyboy on September 24, 2013, 06:42:23 pm
@DJC, Garlett has a big tank which was mentioned when we drafted him. He could easily run though the midfield.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: shadesy on September 24, 2013, 06:43:20 pm
Not sure I am happy with a guy with Known Hammy issues Running in this.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Mantis on September 24, 2013, 07:37:10 pm
I thought Garlett is a faster runner than Yarran. Be very interesting to see them both go for it. Yarran is fast but I didn't think he was the fastest going around.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on September 24, 2013, 08:14:32 pm
I reckon Yarran has the quicker acceleration but Garlett can sustain it.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Thryleon on September 24, 2013, 08:28:51 pm
I don't find the fact what?

Sorry poor english.  You dont find it interesting that they are friends, yet share the fact that they also both needed a dose discipline?

Sure.  Running in the sprint is more interesting than this fact.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 24, 2013, 08:37:27 pm
I reckon Yarran has the quicker acceleration but Garlett can sustain it.

Yarran is quicker when he goes at 100%, it's just that he rarely does.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: thrunthrublu on September 24, 2013, 09:33:31 pm
provided he doesn't have to tackle anyone , he should win it
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: mateinone on September 25, 2013, 01:14:33 am
I will be surprised if he finishes in the first couple and I also suspect that Garlett would do better
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Lods on September 25, 2013, 06:41:13 am
Unknown

Interesting to see how he goes but so many factors involved (reaction time, acceleration, and the ability to maintain that speed over a distance) that it's pretty difficult to predict how he'll go.

Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: age on September 25, 2013, 12:05:04 pm
This perfect for Yaz.  Only required to run one way.  ;D
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Mantis on September 25, 2013, 08:40:03 pm
This perfect for Yaz.  Only required to run one way.  ;D

Good one buddy.  ;)
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: crashlander on September 25, 2013, 08:58:20 pm
Actually, Hampson would give it a decent go. He is fast enough, it is just that he reacts slowly and doesn't change direction quickly. In this he needs only one reaction - to start with the gun and he doesn't need to change direction at all. Should suit him down to the ground.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Lods on September 29, 2013, 04:36:21 pm
Very good reaction and acceleration......then at about 25 to go decided he'd had enough.
Had a big smile so obviously enjoyed himself.
Probably would have finished second if he'd pushed it
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Juddkreuzer on September 29, 2013, 04:42:04 pm
Appeared to have a concern with his hammy after the first heat, so seeing a Dangerfield couldn't be caught probably decided to play safe.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 29, 2013, 05:04:55 pm
Just did enough to qualify in the heat - was looking around to make sure he was OK before slowing down. Obviously not risking his hammy in the final - agree, he was content to go into cruise control for that last 20 or 30 meters. I too thought he looked pretty quick off the mark - quicker than I expected.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Amers on September 29, 2013, 05:06:29 pm
Geez Army must be quick if he can catch Dangerfield, no one got close in that sprint !!
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 29, 2013, 06:22:02 pm
Geez Army must be quick if he can catch Dangerfield, no one got close in that sprint !!

Army is definitely quick alright - just looks a bit untidy when compared to the likes of Yarran and Jeffy. Runs like a rugby player!  ^-^
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: LordLucifer on September 29, 2013, 06:42:44 pm
In both races, he hardly gave it a crack !!
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on September 29, 2013, 08:29:17 pm
In both races, he hardly gave it a crack !!

That's exactly the way I saw it! 'Wing it' was definitely the wrong choice of words!
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Mantis on September 29, 2013, 08:32:46 pm
In both races, he hardly gave it a crack !!

Typical of his nature. Does the same on the playing field. Is he fixable ?
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: thrunthrublu on September 29, 2013, 08:34:56 pm
he was laughing/smiling half way down the track running at 75%
commensurate with the effort he puts in afl games,
Plays like a billionare
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: LordLucifer on September 29, 2013, 08:59:26 pm
he was laughing/smiling half way down the track running at 75%
commensurate with the effort he puts in afl games,
Plays like a billionare

Yep, that's how I saw it too !!!
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 29, 2013, 09:24:07 pm
Lives the dream without ever finding out what he's really capable of??
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Mantis on September 29, 2013, 09:28:50 pm
Lives the dream without ever finding out what he's really capable of??

I don't mind people with their heads in the clouds as long as their feet are planted solid on the ground.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on September 29, 2013, 09:36:54 pm
Yep, the Grand Final Sprint is the Key Indicator on a bloke's ticker...they were all going at half rat power...fair dinkum...it is just a bit of fun...who gives a Rat's Tossbag really?? ::)
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 29, 2013, 09:37:30 pm
Lives the dream without ever finding out what he's really capable of??

I don't mind people with their heads in the clouds as long as their feet are planted solid on the ground.

Mants, sooner or later you have to put your dreams to the test.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Thryleon on September 29, 2013, 11:19:44 pm
Yep, the Grand Final Sprint is the Key Indicator on a bloke's ticker...they were all going at half rat power...fair dinkum...it is just a bit of fun...who gives a Rat's Tossbag really?? ::)

There is no issue in it, the problem is that its so familiar.  You find out a bit about a bloke in that scenario.  Obviously he is not a competitive animal.

The way I see it, I hate losing.  That is the difference between a competitive animal and a non competitive animal.  Ill race people at the self checkout to see who i can overtake and beat on my way out of the store.  Its that nature that makes the difference between winners, and participants.

Now if they are good enough guys of Yarran's nature can influence outcomes but its not because they want to win, its because they are enjoying themselves.  They have a laugh, they do the unexpected and sometimes thats what works, but its not the makeup of a premiership player and most importantly doesnt help you breed a conpetitive environment at the club.

This is my major problem with Yarran.  Needs a dose of Mitch Robinson's thirst and you have the ultimate weapon.

The fact that we see it in a grand final sprint is just further evidence of his likelihood to be a competitive player.  Despite the relative ease, Dangerfield and Rohan exploded across the track.  These guys have that same effortless look to how they do things but they have a Steely resolve that goes with it.  Thats the difference.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: LordLucifer on September 29, 2013, 11:38:53 pm
There is no issue in it, the problem is that its so familiar.  You find out a bit about a bloke in that scenario.  Obviously he is not a competitive animal.

Bingo !!!  
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Juddkreuzer on September 30, 2013, 12:13:22 am
Christ I didn't realise that the GF sprint was now a part of player appraisals. So Yazz was having a laugh, big f@#king deal. I bet there was a good feeling amongst all the boys leading into the race as they're getting to play a part in the GF without any real obligation as it's just a bit of fun after all.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 07:23:23 am
Christ I didn't realise that the GF sprint was now a part of player appraisals. So Yazz was having a laugh, big f@#king deal. I bet there was a good feeling amongst all the boys leading into the race as they're getting to play a part in the GF without any real obligation as it's just a bit of fun after all.

Come on it was pretty ironic that he went at about 60%, story of his career.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: MosquitoFleet on September 30, 2013, 07:34:26 am
Yarran's effort was not competitive,  lazy and embarrassing to himself and Carlton.

Clearly shows that yarran is conditional in his efforts

Surely the club knows this and why did they let him run?

Our club is one big joke at the moment....
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: crashlander on September 30, 2013, 07:53:57 am
Yarran's effort was not competitive,  lazy and embarrassing to himself and Carlton.

Clearly shows that yarran is conditional in his efforts

Surely the club knows this and why did they let him run?

Our club is one big joke at the moment....
I must admit that I didn't see any of the sprints. But from what I read here, I am disappointed in Yazz. If he wasn't 100% he shouldn't have been there. If he was 100%, then doing his best is the way to go.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Goat on September 30, 2013, 08:04:19 am
It's a GF sprint FFS WGARA how he went ::)
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 08:10:04 am
It's a GF sprint FFS WGARA how he went ::)

Well he certainly didn't care for starters.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Goat on September 30, 2013, 08:23:55 am
It's a GF sprint FFS WGARA how he went ::)

Well he certainly didn't care for starters.
I'm sure Adelaide fans have celebrated long over Dangerfield winning.  By memory I heard one guy ran it last year to get his mate a ticket to the GF. Doubt any of them take it seriously.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 08:34:11 am
I'm sure Adelaide fans have celebrated long over Dangerfield winning.  By memory I heard one guy ran it last year to get his mate a ticket to the GF. Doubt any of them take it seriously.

Dangerfield does because he's a born competitor, you'll never see him laughing with his opponent while on the receiving end of a shellacking in a final.

Yarran is more talented than 95% of the players who played on Saturday but he wouldn't get a game at either club.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 30, 2013, 08:46:18 am
I'm sure Adelaide fans have celebrated long over Dangerfield winning.  By memory I heard one guy ran it last year to get his mate a ticket to the GF. Doubt any of them take it seriously.

Dangerfield does because he's a born competitor, you'll never see him laughing with his opponent while on the receiving end of a shellacking in a final.

Yarran is more talented than 95% of the players who played on Saturday but he wouldn't get a game at either club.

Agree with this - Yarran seems gun-shy of really putting his talents to the test - scared in a way.
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: Lods on September 30, 2013, 08:47:35 am
It's a GF sprint FFS WGARA how he went ::)

Given that it was the only Carlton jumper on the field on Grand Final day....I cared....a bit....a little :D

As a track and field coach I was interested in how he went.
Pretty much as expected
He has good reaction and acceleration but there remains a question mark over how long he can maintain that.
As we've seen in games if he can break the initial tackle he is away... and over 30-50 metres he's very hard to catch.
Remember he has to bounce the ball while running which is something the chasing player doesn't need to worry about, so his ability to run away is even more impressive
(That running/bouncing ability is something a Grand final sprint won't test.)
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: thrunthrublu on September 30, 2013, 08:52:31 am
i think Ross touched on something interesting during the week which applies to Yarran
You have to emotionally commit. Its easy for players to withdraw emotion and effort - This is Yarrans problem
doesn't emotionally commit or risk to a game
Title: Re: Yarran to run in GF Sprint
Post by: cookie2 on September 30, 2013, 09:16:58 am
i think Ross touched on something interesting during the week which applies to Yarran
You have to emotionally commit. Its easy for players to withdraw emotion and effort - This is Yarrans problem
doesn't emotionally commit or risk to a game

That's it. He always seems to be holding a part of himself back somehow. The only time I've seen him really go for it was in his dust up with Geary in the Saints game.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: DJC on September 30, 2013, 09:38:18 am
Yarran clearly tried to set himself up for the final by coasting in to fourth place in the heat.

As soon as he realised that he couldn't match Dangerfield, he backed off and probably as instructed by the fitness staff.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Goat on September 30, 2013, 10:01:43 am
Ok, I didn't see it on the day because as I said WGARA for the GF sprint.  Just watched it online, don't know what people are saying that he pulled up half way through.  From the online vid he looked like he was trying up until about the last 10-15 paces (mtrs), when Dangerfield was clearly the winner. 

Will never defend any half ar$ed efforts on field but seriously it was the GF sprint and he looked like he gave it a crack up until the end.  Sounds like some people will use any reason to have a crack at one of our players.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 10:12:31 am
No one cares about the sprint but it summed up his career and why he has been a complete waste of a top ten draft pick.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Bear on September 30, 2013, 10:23:56 am
Surely Yaz beat Norman Yem home?
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on September 30, 2013, 12:53:52 pm
No one cares about the sprint but it summed up his career and why he has been a complete waste of a top ten draft pick.

Very harsh. He was going fine in 2011. I haven't given up on him yet.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 01:10:29 pm
No one cares about the sprint but it summed up his career and why he has been a complete waste of a top ten draft pick.

Very harsh. He was going fine in 2011. I haven't given up on him yet.

The AFL is a brutal business. Jordan Russell was outstanding in 2010 and now his career looks over.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on September 30, 2013, 01:40:31 pm
No one cares about the sprint but it summed up his career and why he has been a complete waste of a top ten draft pick.

Very harsh. He was going fine in 2011. I haven't given up on him yet.

The AFL is a brutal business. Jordan Russell was outstanding in 2010 and now his career looks over.

Well if Mick turns him around he'll win me over. That's what we're paying the big bucks for. Fingers crossed. ;)
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: madbluboy on September 30, 2013, 01:54:59 pm
Micks a great coach but it's hard to coach a guy who quits half way through a race. :))
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Phillipwh on September 30, 2013, 02:33:17 pm
Jordon Russell and and Brett Thornton got lots of kicks in the back line,
holding the ball up
and kicking it around...
I think the ball goes forward with more control these days,
putting enormous pressure.
Collingwood discovered what Carlton already knew of JordonR
Walker, is a model of what a HBF needs to be.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 09:48:17 am
I think JR was a lot better than a cheap kick getter used to beat A LOT of great players.

Yarran turns 23 today still very very young.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Thryleon on December 19, 2013, 10:46:50 am
I agree with PI2c about JR, but his issue wasn't what he did well.  It's what happened when he started making a few errors.  He could singlehandedly lose a match in ten minutes.

It might be that he is a confidence player, by the end of it, his body was stuffed and not up to the rigours of footy.  Mentally he seemed to lack the ability to stay focussed on his task for long enough as well.

At his best, JR was a runner up to our B+F in the days when Judd was winning them by roughly double the margin.  He only showed his best footy for 12 months though.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: denimundies on December 19, 2013, 11:14:20 am
I agree with PI2c about JR, but his issue wasn't what he did well.  It's what happened when he started making a few errors.  He could singlehandedly lose a match in ten minutes.

It might be that he is a confidence player, by the end of it, his body was stuffed and not up to the rigours of footy.  Mentally he seemed to lack the ability to stay focussed on his task for long enough as well.

At his best, JR was a runner up to our B+F in the days when Judd was winning them by roughly double the margin.  He only showed his best footy for 12 months though.

Good summary.

I think he did manage to get the best out of himself though.
Each player has different limitations for whatever reason, be it mental or physical.
I don't think JR had anything left in the tank. But while he was on he was good.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Gozza on December 19, 2013, 11:25:03 am
What were collingwood thinking giving him the 2 Guernsey. The legendary woewodin wore 2 at the magpies.  ;D
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 11:25:13 am
I think he was an elite footballer but a mental lightweight. I think Ratts built him up and then broke him. Obviously, being a mental lightweight, it wasn't a hard thing to do!
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: Gozza on December 19, 2013, 11:37:25 am
Russell wasn't elite. Elite is a status earned over a number of years of consistently performing to the highest standards, especially when it matters most. Russell did it for one season.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: denimundies on December 19, 2013, 11:41:06 am
What were collingwood thinking giving him the 2 Guernsey. The legendary woewodin wore 2 at the magpies.  ;D

Collingwood had him earmarked during that ND year in which we drafted him. From memory they took Egan instead as we had already taken JR, but he was the one they wanted. 
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 11:42:28 am
Russell wasn't elite. Elite is a status earned over a number of years of consistently performing to the highest standards, especially when it matters most. Russell did it for one season.

No it's not, you can most certainly be elite one year and not the next. He was certainly elite in the second half of 2009 (most B & F votes) and for the entire 2010 season.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: ItsOurTime on December 19, 2013, 11:56:41 am
Russell had all the tools. Hard, skill, pacey. In the 2010 B&F, he was actually leading Judd into the last bit of the season so I guess by the MC's view he was out best/most valuable player for about 12 months spanning two seasons.

Was never the same after Thomas kicked all those goals on him (some of which were dubious). He probably got a spray and then never recovered. Very strange
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 01:32:10 pm
Was never the same after Thomas kicked all those goals on him (some of which were dubious). He probably got a spray and then never recovered. Very strange

Mental lightweight.

BTW I heard from my pi55head bro in law who knows Paul Koutoufides (apparently) that JR had a knee injury that they were forcing him to keep playing with hence his poorer form. He went to Ratts and basically demanded a few weeks off to recover and that was all she wrote. Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: LP on December 19, 2013, 02:39:51 pm
You get licorice all sorts of rumors around footy clubs, 99% are excuses by individuals for some poor performance or attitude or because they hate somebody else.

Very few have any basis as all clubs are run by panels or committees not by individuals.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 03:57:53 pm
Yeah well my bro-in-law is the biggest pi55head sht talker that ever existed so......
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: LanceRomance on December 19, 2013, 05:09:59 pm
Was never the same after Thomas kicked all those goals on him (some of which were dubious). He probably got a spray and then never recovered. Very strange

Mental lightweight.

BTW I heard from my pi55head bro in law who knows Paul Koutoufides (apparently) that JR had a knee injury that they were forcing him to keep playing with hence his poorer form. He went to Ratts and basically demanded a few weeks off to recover and that was all she wrote. Make of it what you will.

Someone brought that up on the old site a couple of years ago.

Could have been you?
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 06:39:29 pm
I have mentioned it before but I think someone else had eluded to that fact around the time it was happening. Remember there were all sorts of rumours like they sent him up to Brisbane because he wasn't fit and that GWS had signed him. I know I go on and on about it but I'll forever scratch my head on this one. How a player of his capabilities became redundant in the game is beyond me.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: kruddler on December 19, 2013, 06:45:57 pm
Russell wasn't elite. Elite is a status earned over a number of years of consistently performing to the highest standards, especially when it matters most. Russell did it for one season.

No it's not, you can most certainly be elite one year and not the next. He was certainly elite in the second half of 2009 (most B & F votes) and for the entire 2010 season.

I disagree. I don't think you can be elite 1 year and below average for a large chunk of your career.

Can you be elite for half a year? A month? 1 game? 1 quarter?? Where is the boundary.

No doubt JR played well and was very valuable to our side in that year. Was woewodin an elite footballer? No. Did he have a good year? Yes. Ditto JR.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 19, 2013, 06:52:44 pm
You don't play elite football for over a season if you don't have what it takes. So from my perspective, there is your benchmark. Challenged Judd in the B & F and owned players like Stevie Johnson on a regular basis whilst cutting them up going the other way. Ragdolled Ryan O'Keefe in an Elimination Final. That's plenty for me. If not for you so be it.
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: flyboy77 on December 19, 2013, 07:27:08 pm
You don't play elite football for over a season if you don't have what it takes. So from my perspective, there is your benchmark. Challenged Judd in the B & F and owned players like Stevie Johnson on a regular basis whilst cutting them up going the other way. Ragdolled Ryan O'Keefe in an Elimination Final. That's plenty for me. If not for you so be it.

MUST BE GETTING SOFT in my old age but i agree with you PI2C.

Whatever happened to Jordan (mentally?) was very unfortunate because the lad was a very good player.

Always hoped he would become a starting inside mid......
Title: Re: Yarran to jog in GF Sprint
Post by: ItsOurTime on December 19, 2013, 07:59:20 pm
Was never the same after Thomas kicked all those goals on him (some of which were dubious). He probably got a spray and then never recovered. Very strange

Mental lightweight.

BTW I heard from my pi55head bro in law who knows Paul Koutoufides (apparently) that JR had a knee injury that they were forcing him to keep playing with hence his poorer form. He went to Ratts and basically demanded a few weeks off to recover and that was all she wrote. Make of it what you will.

Someone brought that up on the old site a couple of years ago.

Could have been you?

Don't know if it was injury but he definitely wasn't fit enough coming into 2011.