So we are officially 1 week away from the opening bounce.
Judd and Carrazzo won't be playing due to injuries.
Some question marks over Walker, Yarran, Gibbs and Henderson who all have niggles but are expected to play.
Will we win??
We'll win by 27 points.
You heard it here first.
Dunno what injuries they have, you would think being over here gives us the upper hand. Always hard to pick the first game and I am normally nervous as hell. All I know is that we must win the first couple and get a good start to the season. We have a a good run at the start, must capitalise.
Anyone going to this game? Or watching it at home?
Anyone going to this game? Or watching it at home?
Be watching it from interstate... badly timed work trip!
What would Port's team be?
B: Broadbent Carlile, Jonas
Hb: O'Shea, Trengove, Pittard
C: Ebert, Boak, Polec
Hf: Wingard, Westhoff, Gray
F: Monfries, Schulz, Butcher
Foll: Lobbe, Wines
Rov: Hartlett
I/c: (from) Cassisi, Cornes, Logan, Moore, Redden, Stewart, White
I wonder what our team will look like?
B: Yarran, Jamison, Tuohy
Hb: Everitt, Watson, Simpson
C: Thomas, McLean, Curnow
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Menzel
F: Garlett, Waite, Kreuzer
Foll: Warnock, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: (from) Armfield, Bell, Buckley, Cachia, Ellard, Robinson, Scotland
Port will be a tricky opponent no doubt, they will be brimming with confidence from their performance in the finals last year and will without a doubt come to play. Boy oh boy I really hope we show up for four quarters, anything less and I think they'll roll us. I think we have enough class on the field to account for them but do we have enough hunger and enough heart? Time will tell.
I'm approaching this opener with some trepidation for sure. Port will be a tough opponent and we need to really go into it with some passion and determination. It'll be interesting to see whether we've got enough of those qualities in us.
Hinkley said Gray, Schulz, Carlile and Trengove are all set to be available to play. However, none have played more than 1 half this preseason & Carlile and Trengove haven't played at all. Bringing in 4 underdone players would play into our hands.
I think Schultz may be injured and wont play, this is a home game and one the club would have penciled as a win, Blues by 19 points.....Port are very quick but still young/inexperienced and I dont think their record on the road in Melbourne is that great...if it had been at Port they would have started favourites but I expect us to get the 4 points
They did beat Collingwood in the finals last year in Melbourne EB and got within 3 goals of the Cats the next week. They had a 4-7 record on the road last year and got within a few goals of North and Western Bulldogs. They also beat Sydney and Collingwood at their home ground something we didn't really get close to. Underestimate them at our own peril I say.
They did beat Collingwood in the finals last year in Melbourne EB and got within 3 goals of the Cats the next week. They had a 4-7 record on the road last year and got within a few goals of North and Western Bulldogs. They also beat Sydney and Collingwood at their home ground something we didn't really get close to. Underestimate them at our own peril I say.
Fair enough Carrots, their record is better than I thought, if we are going to make finals though we cant be dropping home games to teams like Port, .
I wonder what our team will look like?
B: Yarran, Jamison, Tuohy
Hb: Everitt, Watson, Simpson
C: Thomas, McLean, Curnow
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Menzel
F: Garlett, Waite, Kreuzer
Foll: Warnock, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: (from) Armfield, Bell, Buckley, Cachia, Ellard, Robinson, Scotland
That is pretty much exactly what I would be hoping to see as well Pratty. Hard to imagine beating Port here would be considered a good win but I think it is. They are in our bracket of teams now and a win will be a very good start to the season imo.
Nothing beats that feeling leading up to rd 1, very excited and nervous!
Port arent the only one with question marks around some of their players. Kruezer and Henderson have had limited pre seasons. Walker, Yarran and Gibbs have injury concerns, and Bell and Maclean sustained injuries against the dogs. I really rate Port and would consider it a great win should we get up.Our build up has been average at best, bit of work still to be done
It's a Etihad our home ground...oh wait, yep put down as a loss :P
I'll wait to see what our team is before making a call as I doubt we will line up anything like we did in the preseason.
Henderson looked pretty good for the Northern Blues on Friday. You would expect he will line up against Port. Watson has had a good pre season so you would think he would be picked in the team for this game.
This leaves Warnock, Kreuzer and Casboult fighting it out for two spots in the team imo.
Boy oh boy I really hope we show up for four quarters, anything less and I think they'll roll us. I think we have enough class on the field to account for them but do we have enough hunger and enough heart? Time will tell.
Agree with all of this, if we show up for all 4 qtr's we will be good enough to win.
if we are going to make finals though we cant be dropping home games to teams like Port, .
Exactly, and that is why I am expecting MM and MM to get us up for a win.
This is a game I would start Everitt forward...Port have some kids down back who have not played much footy and I think Spider Jnr can provide matchup issues with his extra size. I would expect 2-3 goals from him.....and a couple from Menzel.
Watson is going to have to play a decent game, Westhoff has gone up in my estimations of late and is a key player now for Port who gets plenty of the ball for a tall player and kicks goals. He is mobile and a very strong mark for a player who most underestimate and he needs careful attention...be a good test for Watson who has to allow Henderson to play down forward to give us an edge.
Curnow can take Boak and Wingard is another who needs careful consideration...not Touhy(too loose)...
Lobbe has improved but to me is still just a plodder and its time for Kruezer to dominate and give us first use......
Judd is a loss but Bell has to improve with the responsibility...no more silly free's getting caught barging through traffic and no more haphazard disposal...Robbo is the only one we need doing the haphazard stuff...
Murphy to step up along with Gibbs and lead the team to victory......not just the four points riding on this game, we need to show we have improved overall and have mastered the Malthouse game plan and can limit our turnovers.
Malthouse has had his year to evaluate/fine tune and has no excuses......beating Port should be a given for a team that expect to play finals and are coached by one of the best in the business..
Watson is going to have to play a decent game, Westhoff has gone up in my estimations of late and is a key player now for Port.
Westhoff will eat Watson for breakfast. Henderson must play on him. It might have been why they tried Watson up forward against the Bulldogs but it didn't work.
I don't think Watson is a good match up for Westhoff - he's not mobile enough to stick with him and would get the run around IMO.
Lachie (unfortunately) would be better, or even Everitt.
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Where is '10 version of Paul Bower?
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Truth in what you're saying EB. I guess we have to find out sooner or later if Watson's what we need.
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
this is definitely year the year he has to show something.
Murphy to step up along with Gibbs and lead the team to victory.....
Agree 100% with this and add Kreuzer as well. No Judd, no Carrazzo, Scotto in his last year, time for the new boys to step up and show they can take this team forward.
Hinkley said Gray, Schulz, Carlile and Trengove are all set to be available to play. However, none have played more than 1 half this preseason & Carlile and Trengove haven't played at all. Bringing in 4 underdone players would play into our hands.
I really hope they play all of these guys. I always fear us playing half fit players. If the opposition wishes to make that error, I will not complain.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-03-08/power-cops-hits-few-misses (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-03-08/power-cops-hits-few-misses)
and
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-03-03/injury-update-march-3 (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-03-03/injury-update-march-3)
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Westhoff will be too mobile for Watson, so it's Henderson to the backline with Waite and the Bolt up forward.
Jamieson
Henderson
Murphy
Casboult
Waite
.......aint too bad.
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Westhoff will be too mobile for Watson, so it's Henderson to the backline with Waite and the Bolt up forward.
Jamieson
Henderson
Murphy
Casboult
Waite
.......aint too bad.
Fair enough but do you reckon the Bolt is travelling well enough to get a game in our best 22?......the other option is Rowe who has played down back in the preseason games ....
Given Westhoff likes to float around the ground, I was thinking Walker or Everitt would be better match ups.
And it's no slight on Watson that he can't take Westhoff. I wouldn't even trust Jamo on him.
Hendo played forward in the VFL - to me that indicates mick wants Lachie as a forward.
Given Westhoff likes to float around the ground, I was thinking Walker or Everitt would be better match ups.
And it's no slight on Watson that he can't take Westhoff. I wouldn't even trust Jamo on him.
Hendo played forward in the VFL - to me that indicates mick wants Lachie as a forward.
Both could run off Westhoff and make him chase but I would expect the orders to Westhoff would be to drag them closer to goal as he is 199cm and would be too good in the air IMO for either Walker or Everitt.
Sam Rowe is the right size but his endurance /running power is very low unless Buttifant has worked some magic....I have the feeling Rowe might be in the 22 as insurance for both down back and forward.
Rowe played on Petrie in the NAB cup game and some believed he did well or as well as most of our backs have done on him in recent times...
Hendo played forward in the VFL - to me that indicates mick wants Lachie as a forward.
Well I doubt he thinks he can rely on Waite and Everitt alongside an improved Watson could hold the fort all things going well. If Rowe and Casboult could assert themselves as genuine threats we wouldn't have a problem, but just like Mitchell before them I lack faith.
Time has come for Watson to take on the responsibility of a KP down back.....if he cant run around with Westhoff then he has to be traded IMO and we get someone else.....if we have to drag Henderson down back everytime to patch up a leaky defense then we may as well forget turning up vs the better teams.
Westhoff would be too big for Everitt IMO....our man is a third tall defender not KP......
Westhoff will be too mobile for Watson, so it's Henderson to the backline with Waite and the Bolt up forward.
Jamieson
Henderson
Murphy
Casboult
Waite
.......aint too bad.
Fair enough but do you reckon the Bolt is travelling well enough to get a game in our best 22?......the other option is Rowe who has played down back in the preseason games ....
Unfortunately he hasn't been imposing himself on games, although I'm not sure that Tony Lockett could have done better with the delivery to the forward line over the past couple of practice matches. He has at least as many tools as Cloke, but probably not as agile and lacks that initial burst of speed that differentiates the very best forwards.
On Rowe, I just don't think he's up to the task - good skills, but he's too slow, doesn't appear overly strong in one on one contests and seems to fatigue early in games, which causes him to fumble and make poor decisions.
Given Westhoff likes to float around the ground, I was thinking Walker or Everitt would be better match ups.
And it's no slight on Watson that he can't take Westhoff. I wouldn't even trust Jamo on him.
Hendo played forward in the VFL - to me that indicates mick wants Lachie as a forward.
Walker is a little bit undersized and would be better suited to someone under 2m tall. Everitt, although shorter than Westhoff, would be a much better option IMO.
We could have Watson being the 3rd man up, and have Everitt locking down on Westhoff which would probably be the opposite of normal goings on.
Given Westhoff likes to float around the ground, I was thinking Walker or Everitt would be better match ups.
And it's no slight on Watson that he can't take Westhoff. I wouldn't even trust Jamo on him.
Hendo played forward in the VFL - to me that indicates mick wants Lachie as a forward.
Walker is a little bit undersized and would be better suited to someone under 2m tall. Everitt, although shorter than Westhoff, would be a much better option IMO.
We could have Watson being the 3rd man up, and have Everitt locking down on Westhoff which would probably be the opposite of normal goings on.
Yeah Im not opposed to Everitt going to The Hoff. Would be able to keep up on the leading side of things at least. If Westy tries to drag him deep we switch to Jamison or Watson. Watson does need to learn to play on most types, maybe become a Heath Grundy type for us. More old fashioned footballer in looks and play. Just got to get that required urgency IMO and he's got more than last year already so I think we must play him. Can switch forward also cos if he can be good at both ends this does help us.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Everitt really a key defender?
No....doesnt like body on body work....if we try and cheat with him which is our usual method to use undersized players on big KP players we will be burnt.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
No....doesnt like body on body work....if we try and cheat with him which is our usual method to use undersized players on big KP players we will be burnt.
How good is Westhoff body on body though Elwood? He's quite slightly built and from memory prefers leading rather than the prop and cop approach? This may suit Everitt.
For mine, Everett is most dangerous as a forward... the 3rd tall, playing up the ground.
I think this is the conundrum for our team and Mick this year, the risk/reward of Watson back and Hendo forward. Best defense is a good offense maybe.
Sure Watson might concede 1-3 more goals than Hendo would but I think Hendo forward and the trickle on effect means we are a 5 goal better side imo. If we are fair dinkum we need go out trying to win games not going in trying to save them, thats been our mental issue for too long.
Go blues!
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Westhoff really a key forward?
Both are tall, agile and use that to exploit their opponents.
There will most likely be very little body on body contests, and more chasing tail.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Westhoff really a key forward?
Both are tall, agile and use that to exploit their opponents.
There will most likely be very little body on body contests, and more chasing tail.
Would we not be better playing someone who puts him in an uncomfortable position with body contact rather than playing to his strengths? I don't see everitt beating him at his own game without help.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
No....doesnt like body on body work....if we try and cheat with him which is our usual method to use undersized players on big KP players we will be burnt.
How good is Westhoff body on body though Elwood? He's quite slightly built and from memory prefers leading rather than the prop and cop approach? This may suit Everitt.
Cookie...199cm, 94kg and Port use him in the ruck so he has some nous when it comes to push and shove stuff.......he has filled out a bit since his skinny debut and I think he would be too big for Everitt if left one on one...I'd prefer Everitt monstering one of their smaller flankers down the other end.
Changed my mind. They are vulnerable in the back half with both personnel and match fitness.
The beauty of having a genuine swing man, is that he can swing!
Start the game off on our terms, stack the forward line Waite, Hendo, Krueser, Menzel, Garlett etc and if we have problems in our back half, make changes.
We have a number of versatile players (Hendo, Everitt, Walker, Waite, Yarran etc) who can play a number of different roles, so we shouldn't be afraid to make changes as required.
The Hoff gets off the chain, send Hendo down to rein him in.
Importantly, start off on our terms.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Westhoff really a key forward?
Both are tall, agile and use that to exploit their opponents.
There will most likely be very little body on body contests, and more chasing tail.
Would we not be better playing someone who puts him in an uncomfortable position with body contact rather than playing to his strengths? I don't see everitt beating him at his own game without help.
Everitt is someone that can match him. Like for like.
Watson is someone that could out body him.....so you reckon Westhoff will stick around and try and outbody him? No, he'll get on his bike and use his strengths which happens to be watsons weakness.
We have Watson and Jammo playing deep and if Westhoff wants to play down there they will be there to help out everitt. If he wants 1-on-1s with everitt he will have to run. The further he runs, the further away from goal he is, the better off we will be.
I think Mick and co will happilly take Westhoff getting the ball 60m+ out from goal, rather than closer in.
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Westhoff really a key forward?
Yes he is in today's game for sure. An a very good one at that. I don't remember Everitt ever playing as a key defender (I could be wrong).
Is Everitt really a key defender?
Is Westhoff really a key forward?
Yes he is in today's game for sure. An a very good one at that. I don't remember Everitt ever playing as a key defender (I could be wrong).
Disagree.
To me a key forward takes contested marks, marks inside 50 and kicks goals.
We struggle for key forwards on our list, but here is a comparison of a couple, and a few other similar-ish type players to westhoff.
Player --- %CMs - %MI50 --- Gls/game
Casboult - 49% --- 33% ---- 0.82
Hampson - 36% --- 30% --- 0.51
Waite ---- 20% --- 24% --- 1.33
N. Riewoldt - 24% --- 37% --- 2.2
J. Riewoldt - 31% --- 55% --- 2.39
Vickory --- 27% --- 36% --- 1.04
Westhoff - 24% --- 27% --- 1.31
I added the riewoldts, as they are leading type forwards and less physical types. Ditto Vickory, who has also had stints in the ruck, which westhoff has had to a lesser extent.
Westhoff has worse %'s compared to everyone on that list except for Waite. He spent a large part of his career in defence which hurts both of those numbers. Interestingly though, he kicks as many goals as Westhoff does, suggesting he is more prominant when used forward.
What that shows me is
a) Casboult can't kick
b) Hampson can't kick and plays ruck
c) We wasted Waite playing him in defence
d) the Riewoldts are genuine key forwards
e) Vickory, despite more ruck time is more of a key forward
f) Westhoffs numbers suggest he is a tall flanker, not a genuine key forward as his numbers don't stack up against the others in terms of 'key forward' material.
Amazing that Westhoff kicks as many goals as.... Westhoff!
;) ;)
Had so much on lately. Between the cricket and flat out with my own sport I forgot about the footy starting this week.
Best I switch modes in my head.
My tip, we'll win. Our side is looking well balanced, better than any other time in recent memory, with the additions during the off-season. First games often produce trick results though often making round 2 hard to pick. Some sides need a real game to get going.
Rowe has played down back in all 3 practise matches, so you would think he is definitely in the mix to play as the third tall.
Anyone going to this game? Or watching it at home?
Be watching it from interstate... badly timed work trip!
Interstate for me too...badly timed Family wedding :(
Are we playing the Westhoff Footy Club this week?? :))
@kruddler
Westhoff's stats are not too dissimilar to Reiwoldt's in terms of contested marks and marks inside 50. Reiwoldt is a key forward and Westhoff plays some time in ruck which would marry up with his less marks inside 50. Also Westhoff has not been anywhere near as effective in his career as he has been recently. I'd like to see those stats from last season only. You're only as good as your last game or in this case, season.
Westhoff contested mark average 2013 was 1.7. Some other examples:
Drew Petrie 1.8
Nick Reiwoldt 1.8
Tom Hawkins 1.6
Jack Reiwoldt 1.4
Anyone going to this game? Or watching it at home?
Be watching it from interstate... badly timed work trip!
Interstate for me too...badly timed Family wedding :(
Hong Kong for work :(. Australia Network will have it live so a couple of local stubbies in the room will do the job!
Hendo in doubt according to on the couch??
Hendo in doubt according to on the couch??
They're probably going off the out dated afl.com.au injury list which says Hendo is still 2 weeks away despite him playing VFL on Friday.
I reckon he'll play. He played the full game on Friday and looked good IMO. Tired towards the end but that's expected in his first game. If port are going to play Trengove & Carlile off no preseason games at all & Schulz who has only played a half, then Hendo should be fine.
Hendo in doubt according to on the couch??
They're probably going off the out dated afl.com.au injury list which says Hendo is still 2 weeks away despite him playing VFL on Friday.
I reckon he'll play. He played the full game on Friday and looked good IMO. Tired towards the end but that's expected in his first game. If port are going to play Trengove & Carlile off no preseason games at all & Schulz who has only played a half, then Hendo should be fine.
x2. We'll beat Port.
I'd worry more about Boak, Monfries and Wingard ahead of Westhoff.
I'd worry more about Boak, Monfries and Wingard ahead of Westhoff.
When did people start worrying about monfries?
I'd worry more about Boak, Monfries and Wingard ahead of Westhoff.
When did people start worrying about monfries?
Since he hit the juice and went up a few cogs.
Hendo in doubt according the Healy on OTC last night.
Hendo in doubt according the Healy on OTC last night.
No doubt he is unaware that he played VFL on Friday.
Hope he is as correct as when that show proclaimed Yarran would never play another game for Carlton.
Hendo in doubt according the Healy on OTC last night.
No doubt he is unaware that he played VFL on Friday.
Hope he is as correct as when that show proclaimed Yarran would never play another game for Carlton.
Healy really bugs me. For someone of his standing I feel like he has no idea what he is on about half the time, especially regarding us.
Healy is a noob of the highest order. Single handedly kept Matty Lappin out of the starting line up of the AA team back in 2004 as he wanted his lovechild Aussie Jones to complete his comeback and get AA.
So reports that Hendo did his groin on Friday were incorrect ?
Healy is a noob of the highest order. Single handedly kept Matty Lappin out of the starting line up of the AA team back in 2004 as he wanted his lovechild Aussie Jones to complete his comeback and get AA.
Has he ever forgiven us for knocking him clean out at a game at PP many years ago?
I was there that day cookie but that was Greg not Gerard. Steve Da Rui was the man with the golden shoulder that day (could pack a hit too) and it was actually Healy's 50th game! Cleaned him up good and proper. :))
So reports that Hendo did his groin on Friday were incorrect ?
Who knows?
At this time of year the club is only interested in selling memberships. Any official reports are to be disregarded as they are likely to downplay significant injuries, or over spruik the clubs fortunes in an effort to get the swing members to sign up.
I know one thing, we play Port and have no idea how we will fare. Hopefully its well and start the season off on a good foot.
So reports that Hendo did his groin on Friday were incorrect ?
Completely false.
Article posted today on CFC website says Hendo is available for selection for Sunday.
So reports that Hendo did his groin on Friday were incorrect ?
http://northernbluesfc.com.au/news/310-nbfc-henderson-returns-via-northern-blues.html
“Getting a full game I felt was important today. As I said I felt like I was moving freely out there.
“I’ve pulled up well. I’ll focus on my recovery, get some solid work done on the track and see what happens from there.”
Sounds like he has come up ok. Still in doubt for friday but that has more to do with a lack of run than an injury problem according to the article quoted.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
It did hint Juddy could be back for round 2. But with all 3 not having had any praccy matches, I'd assume all (including Judd) should play VFL.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
It did hint Juddy could be back for round 2. But with all 3 not having had any praccy matches, I'd assume all (including Judd) should play VFL.
Better for us in the long term not to rush him back, no matter how ugly it may be in the short term.
For that matter, it might be better of Hendo and Carrots came back via the Northern Blues too. We want them in some sort of form. Basically, it is a long season and we need to manage them as best we can.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
It did hint Juddy could be back for round 2. But with all 3 not having had any praccy matches, I'd assume all (including Judd) should play VFL.
Juddy would have kept himself tidy as much as possible with swimming, bike etc before running again. Could we do worse than using him as the sub in Round 2, hopefully bring him on when the pace is out of the game and let him run riot in the third quarter just to really p1ss the tigers off again!!
So reports that Hendo did his groin on Friday were incorrect ?
Completely false.
Article posted today on CFC website says Hendo is available for selection for Sunday.
And CFC wouldn't lie about injuries ::)
Anyhoo, back to business. My side for end one is:
FB Simpson Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Watson Yarran
C Walker Gibbs Thomas
HF Robinson Waite Menzel
FF Garlett Henderson Armfield
R Warnock Murphy Bell
INT Cripps Kreuzer Curnow Buckley (sub)
My wish: I will dead set chub up if Cripps gets picked and he lights it up from the get go. He is a bull of a kid and I really want to see him, Bell and Robbo make a few flinch at the contests.
Assumptions Yarran Henderson Walker get up and Brock won't. Put in Ellard, Levi, Scotto respectively if those mentioned don't get up.
Anyhoo, back to business. My side for end one is:
FB Simpson Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Watson Yarran
C Walker Gibbs Thomas
HF Robinson Waite Menzel
FF Garlett Henderson Armfield
R Warnock Murphy Bell
INT Cripps Kreuzer Curnow Buckley (sub)
My wish: I will dead set chub up if Cripps gets picked and he lights it up from the get go. He is a bull of a kid and I really want to see him, Bell and Robbo make a few flinch at the contests.
Assumptions Yarran Henderson Walker get up and Brock won't. Put in Ellard, Levi, Scotto respectively if those mentioned don't get up.
Can't see Brock missing and either Rowe or Levi. Scotto missing would also be a risk. That said I also would love to see Cripps and Bucks get a crack but I doubt the MC would risk both. Army is no walk up start I expect either.
Watson simply must play as should Everitt and Daisy, while Bell deserves a chance to prove himself against the pre-season hype.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
It did hint Juddy could be back for round 2. But with all 3 not having had any praccy matches, I'd assume all (including Judd) should play VFL.
Judd won't play seconds
Judd won't play seconds
A disgrace if we even asked him to do as much.
Judd won't play seconds
A disgrace if we even asked him to do as much.
How else does he get match fit?
Had he not missed all the praccy games or got injured mid season it's be a different story. But I just think playing your first game for the year would be massive ask. Players always say as hard as you train, you can't replicate match conditions to get match fit without playing.
Judd won't play seconds
A disgrace if we even asked him to do as much.
How else does he get match fit?
Had he not missed all the praccy games or got injured mid season it's be a different story. But I just think playing your first game for the year would be massive ask. Players always say as hard as you train, you can't replicate match conditions to get match fit without playing.
Play him as a sub if necessary, but players of his calibre shouldn't even need that. A 70% fit Judd is still a better player than many of our starting 22.
He's not the same Judd and he could benefit from having a run in the twos.
Agreed. No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos. Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.
Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group. No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.
I'm sure Juddy would happily play NBs if it was seen as beneficial to his recovery and comeback. He wouldn't see himself as being above doing that.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/hendo-right-for-round-1
According to this Hendo will be available this week, and Carrots and Doherty for R2, with Juddy for R3.
It did hint Juddy could be back for round 2. But with all 3 not having had any praccy matches, I'd assume all (including Judd) should play VFL.
Judd won't play seconds
Agree....would start on the bench in the seniors but I dont see him playing VFL...
Chris Judd is the Fittest most professional bloke in our club. He's hardly crap and if he's ready he plays.
Agreed. No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos. Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.
Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group. No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.
Agree. He is a good enough player to just walk back in but we have send a message, however I still can't see him playing twos. The powers that be wont let it happen and they will want him there against the Tigers if he is close enough.
Chris Judd is the Fittest most professional bloke in our club. He's hardly crap and if he's ready he plays.
Amen.
Ok he is my team for round 1. Judd, Carrots and Docherty out injured.
B: Tuohy Jamison Rowe
HB: Walker Watson Simpson
C: Thomas McLean Gibbs
HF: Menzel Waite Everitt
F: Garlett Henderson Kreuzer
R: Warnock Murphy Bell
Ic: Robinson Curnow Armfield
Sub: Cripps
Emg: Scotland Buckley Casboult
Agreed. No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos. Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.
Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group. No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.
Agree. He is a good enough player to just walk back in but we have send a message, however I still can't see him playing twos. The powers that be wont let it happen and they will want him there against the Tigers if he is close enough.
What's the message? Who is Judd keeping out of the side who deserves his spot? Bootsma?
You don't like Yarrans chances Roy ????
The best thing for us would be if Big Levi can have a breakout game and kick 5-6.
You never know where the self belief he will get from a game like that might take him.
Agreed. No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos. Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.
Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group. No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.
Agree. He is a good enough player to just walk back in but we have send a message, however I still can't see him playing twos. The powers that be wont let it happen and they will want him there against the Tigers if he is close enough.
What's the message? Who is Judd keeping out of the side who deserves his spot? Bootsma?
Thats not it.
There are multiple reasons:
1. Setting an equality of treatment to eliminate resentment amongst the players.
2. Setting an example regarding what levels players are to achieve at "reserve" level before they get opportunities at senior level.
3. Making sure we are not carrying Judd for any period of the game. Sure, he might give you ten minutes of stirling stuff that will be the difference between winning and losing, but if we have to carry him and play with in effect a man down in order just to have him out on the park, thats a loss.
4. Keeping the pressure off Judd so when he does return he isnt "the man" and the players will hopefully help him come back.
Culture, it takes roughly 100 actions to build it, and it only takes one (such as giving a fading star preferential treatment) to really destroy it.
If it happens that Judd works his way back into full fitness just training then so be it, but there is no practise like match practise and we have not see the best of C. Judd for a couple of seasons now (or when we have, it has been sparingly).
I wouldnt force him to come back through the VFL, but I would at least contemplate doing it, and much of the decision will be made by how the senior team is travelling without him before we make that call IMHO.
Thats not it.
There are multiple reasons:
1. Setting an equality of treatment to eliminate resentment amongst the players.
2. Setting an example regarding what levels players are to achieve at "reserve" level before they get opportunities at senior level.
3. Making sure we are not carrying Judd for any period of the game. Sure, he might give you ten minutes of stirling stuff that will be the difference between winning and losing, but if we have to carry him and play with in effect a man down in order just to have him out on the park, thats a loss.
4. Keeping the pressure off Judd so when he does return he isnt "the man" and the players will hopefully help him come back.
Not sure how you lose when you win but I'm interested in the practicalities of all this rather than a fluffy ideal. Rigid rules that defy logic and leave everyone scratching their head at some decisions aren't building culture, they're allowing process to trump common sense.
Who would Judd keep out of the side that deserves his spot? White, Bootsma, McInnes?
(BTW, if mods are reading, this should probably be in it's own thread as it's not relevant to the PA game and an interesting enough topic/scenario to warrant it)
What if he was to resume one week prior to when he's supposed to resume with a half of football in the twos? Waite did it.
Thats not it.
There are multiple reasons:
1. Setting an equality of treatment to eliminate resentment amongst the players.
2. Setting an example regarding what levels players are to achieve at "reserve" level before they get opportunities at senior level.
3. Making sure we are not carrying Judd for any period of the game. Sure, he might give you ten minutes of stirling stuff that will be the difference between winning and losing, but if we have to carry him and play with in effect a man down in order just to have him out on the park, thats a loss.
4. Keeping the pressure off Judd so when he does return he isnt "the man" and the players will hopefully help him come back.
Not sure how you lose when you win but I'm interested in the practicalities of all this rather than a fluffy ideal. Rigid rules that defy logic and leave everyone scratching their head at some decisions aren't building culture, they're allowing process to trump common sense.
Who would Judd keep out of the side that deserves his spot? White, Bootsma, McInnes?
(BTW, if mods are reading, this should probably be in it's own thread as it's not relevant to the PA game and an interesting enough topic/scenario to warrant it)
Not sure how we lose if we win? Fair enough, but what if we dont win and Judd wasn't ready to give us anything but his last couple of seasons average performances where he was barely racking up 15 - 20 touches and most of it under duress?
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=386
Scroll down and look at his averages through the year. Statistically and based on output, Judd's 2013 was one of his poorest ever seasons (rivalled probably only by 2012) and the Judd we get back at first will be of a lesser than this standard until he gets a good run of games into him (something that has not occurred for quite a while now). I know how good he can be where I said what I said.
Think back to the drawn game vs Essendon in 2011 in round 4 where Henderson was played before he was ready. Did that decision cost us the game? If so, would we have stood a better chance to win without Henderson? I would answer yes to that question and Henderson shouldnt have played. The thing is, better planning would have allowed us to not be hindsight champions, and instead we would have simply stated he wasnt ready and moved on.
You cant simply question the thought process using Bootsma or Mccinnes as an example. They are not midfielders and Judd is.
What if we dropped Mitch Robinson for Judd's inclusion? We dont get class from Robinson, but what we do get is effort, and contest after contest. Tom Bell? Nick Graham? Cripps? Menzel? David Ellard? Cachia? Chris Yarran (not cemented in our best 22 yet)? Contributers all of them in their own right, but no where near Judd's class. I suppose the question that you are asking, is if Judd's class is enough to compensate for the effort the aformentioned bring to a performance. You could argue a case for him to do it off the subs bench but then I ask you the following question surrounding practicalities. What if we lose a man early, and Judd then has to play 3 or 4 quarters without being sure if he is even ready to?
What do we lose with him coming back through the reserves vs what do we have to gain? If Judd is not in great form and questionably at full fitness its probably a stalemate at best at this point of his career as we have seen based on his last couple of seasons that he is now a cameo player and no longer the main event aside from very few matches or worse still very few quarters. Meanwhile what we definately gain is a player the calibre of Chris Judd showing the way for any players trying to break into our best 22 and that is something that we have not had for a long long time.
The opportunity cost of playing Judd first up, is simply one less game we get into our youngsters that we are going to rely on moving forward. The only caveate on that, is that they need to be ready to play AFL and just given games for the sake of it.
You don't like Yarrans chances Roy ????
Mick has talked about our lack of midfield rotations last year with playing the. 3 small forwards in the same side.
So I think we should not be playing Yarran, Garlett and Menzel in the same side. Yarran for me is a forward first although he did play well on Dangerfield before he was injured.
Haven't posted in a while but here is my predictions (more like wishes) for Sundy night:
Hendo will kick a bag (5-6)
Everitt will cement his place in our backline.
Murph will burst out, starting the season in AA form.
Cripps gets a game and shows something.
Watson proves he's the real deal.
Daisy makes us proud.
The likes of Gibbs, Garlett, Yaz and Robbo turn up to play
Levi runs through Monfries, contending for MOTY.
Blues win by 23pts
Or.......
My main man Touhy kicks a 60m bomb on the siren and Blues win by 4pts!
Optimistic? Maybe...
CARN THE BLUES!!
Hey all happy 2014
I will be as always full of optimism.
We will beat port 1-39 good money!
I hope MM has got his game plan working, cause that's what it's all about.
Majority have said we will fall this year I disagree, we will be better than last year & Sunday is when we start making it happen!
Go blues!
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
No Bootsma or Casboult.
Bet Holman, Lucas and McInnes end up being the emergencies. Unless Hendo doesn't come up then McInnes might get a call up.
No Bootsma or Casboult.
Bet Holman, Lucas and McInnes end up being the emergencies. Unless Hendo doesn't come up then McInnes might get a call up.
No Scotland either. Good signs for the kids. Like the look of this squad.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
Not surprised that Scotland is not in the best 18. Bit surprised he is not in ahead of Ellard and Holman in the best 25 though. Ditto Cachia!
Of that i'd have Everitt, Menzel and McInness on the bench with Cripps the sub.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
I'd like to see that but I think he may play back mainly (covering Watson), at least to see how he goes. I think, like plenty of others, that getting Lachie forward must be one of our priorities.
Wow didn't notice Scotto missing but he'll still play his part this year IMO.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
I'd like to see that but I think he may play back mainly (covering Watson), at least to see how he goes. I think, like plenty of others, that getting Lachie forward must be one of our priorities.
Just noticed PA have Butcher, Westhoff and Shultz. Might mean McInnes if we want to play Lachie Forward.
Yep I like the look of the team as well. Looks like Port want us to think they're loading up as well. If Menzel is made sub I won't be happy, for mine he is already in the top 10 best at the club.
I wonder if we will ever put a forward at full forward instead of ruckmen and others. Pointless really I know but always manages to annoy me enough.
That side on paper could get the job done. If they play that is.
Gibbs to Thomas to Murphy to Yarran who goals. Wow 8)
(And we can still add Judd to that)
Wow didn't notice Scotto missing but he'll still play his part this year IMO.
No Armfield either, played almost every game last year. Getting harder to get a game by the looks
Wow didn't notice Scotto missing but he'll still play his part this year IMO.
No Armfield either, played almost every game last year. Getting harder to get a game by the looks
MM did say it was horses for courses ;)
CARLTON v PORT ADELAIDE
Sunday, March 16 at Etihad Stadium, 7.30pm (EDT)
BLUES
B: L.Henderson, M.Watson, Z.Tuohy
HB: K.Simpson, M.Jamison, A.Walker
C: D.Thomas, M.Murphy, E.Curnow
HF: C.Yarran, J.Waite, J.Garlett
F: M.Robinson, M.Kreuzer, B.Gibbs
Ruck: R.Warnock, T.Bell, B.McLean
Int (from): P.Cripps, A.Everitt, A.McInnes, N.Holman, D.Ellard, T.Menzel, K.Lucas
POWER
B: J.Trengove, J.Hombsch, M.Broadbent
HB: J.Pittard, T.Jonas, T.Clurey
C: J.Polec, B.Ebert, K.Cornes
HF: A.Monfries, J.Westhoff, H.Hartlett
F: J.Butcher, J.Schulz, R.Gray
Ruck: M.Lobbe, T.Boak, C.Wingard
Int (from): C.O’Shea, D.Cassisi, M.White, O.Wines, S.Colquhoun, B.Renouf, J.Impey
No Carlisle for Port leaves a big hole down back with kids like Hombsch and Clurey picking up the slack...think we can exploit that, down the other end is where the problems lay IMO...they have a smart forward line with some slick moving players who kick goals and I dont want to see Watson and McInnes together at any one time in defense.
Butcher's selection is more of a tactical exercise than any great form from the player himself....they want Henderson down back and dont want their inexperienced backline stretched...I expect Everitt to start forward along with Henderson.
Armfield is a surprising omission given Port are pacy and have a variety of small to medium sized players who can hurt us and small defenders are not our strong point...
Warnock has had the pressure applied by Wayne Johnston to step up this season and I think he will respond vs Lobbe and probably Westhoff in the ruck...he should dominate and give us first use...
Chris Yarran to kick 2-3 goals and I reckon Daisy will have a good debut and help setup the win.....think we start well but just hold off a fast finishing Port.
No Bootsma or Casboult.
Bet Holman, Lucas and McInnes end up being the emergencies. Unless Hendo doesn't come up then McInnes might get a call up.
No Scotland either. Good signs for the kids. Like the look of this squad.
Yes, I think Scotto has likely been retained more for insurance and backup while we start bringing the youngsters through. I'm doubtful he'll be a first choice player this year.
Armfield is a surprising omission given Port are pacy and have a variety of small to medium sized players who can hurt us and small defenders are not our strong point...
I agree, surprised that he hasn't made the team. Has been a symbol of honesty and hard-work required since his gut busting and example setting chases in last years game against Eagles.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
From What I saw in the praccy games, INT = Cripps, Everitt, Menzel Ellard
Very happy to see Holman named, although I expect him to be 1 of the 3 dropped to reach a final 22.
I do wonder what he has done to get named in front of Armfield, Scotto and even Graham, but good on him, he must be doing something right !!!
Very happy to see Holman named, although I expect him to be 1 of the 3 dropped to reach a final 22.
I do wonder what he has done to get named in front of Armfield, Scotto and even Graham, but good on him, he must be doing something right !!!
Don't get me wrong, I love Scotto & Dennis, but they were pretty awful this preseason. Happy to see you no longer get a game based on reputation. Holman was good in the game last week. But what is more impressive is that he had played in the vfl an hour before the senior game.
agree though, he probably won't make the final cut. is most likely there to cover for mclean or gibbs should they not come up.
Very happy to see Holman named, although I expect him to be 1 of the 3 dropped to reach a final 22.
I do wonder what he has done to get named in front of Armfield, Scotto and even Graham, but good on him, he must be doing something right !!!
Don't get me wrong, I love Scotto & Dennis, but they were pretty awful this preseason. Happy to see you no longer get a game based on reputation. Holman was good in the game last week. But what is more impressive is that he had played in the vfl an hour before the senior game.
agree though, he probably won't make the final cut. is most likely there to cover for mclean or gibbs should they not come up.
Always happy to see a rookie get a chance.
Watching Cripps on TFS was nice sight to see. The kid carries himself extremely well. Even the TFS hosts seemed impressed, making comment about him being a good size mid. I think he'll adapt quickly.
Haven't seen Holman play,but he gee he must have some good raps on him if they have named him in the first squad.
Look forward to seeing what he is capable of.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
From What I saw in the praccy games, INT = Cripps, Everitt, Menzel Ellard
Yep based on preseason form they would be my picks by a long way as McInnes and Lucas aint up to it and Holman (although I am excited by his naming in the squad and talent) might miss out.
B; Henderon Watson Tuohy
HB: Simpson Jamison Walker
C: Thomas Murphy Curnow
HF: Yarran Waite Garlett
F: Robinson Kruezer Gibbs
R: Warnock Bell Mclean
Int From: Cripps, Everitt, Holman McInnes, Lucas, Menzel, Ellard
Didnt see much of Holman in the pre-season, Hope Lachie plays Forward.
Midfield rotations still look a little thin if Everitt and Menzel make the final squad.
It's a pretty good sign that Scotland and Armfield can't make the squad with Judd, Carrazzo and Docherty unavailable.
The match committee must have a very different view of Lucas than the vast majority of CSC pundits :o
Good to see Cripps in the running for his debut game. I'm not sure that Holman will make the 22 but two debutants would be both unusual - and a vote of confidence in our recruitment.
Yes, that's an interesting set of options for the bench. IMO Everitt may well be the sub who provides a taller option forward or back (allowing Walker forward) later in the game. The interchanges to be mid rotations, Cripps, Lucas and Ellard? I'd prefer Menzel to Lucas but I can't see him and Everitt both on the bench.
Have you guys already forgotten Mick's almost blatant contempt for naming sides on Thursday as they're going to line up on the weekend?
There is no way we look like that come Sunday.
I'm tipping Everitt starts on the field up forward, with Lachie in defence but they switch throughout the game depending on match ups.
Menzel also starts in the FP for mine, with Robbo on the pine.
INT: Robbo Cripps Bell with Ellard the sub
Plenty of midfield rotations and run there.
Going by last season, Lucas might be played early in the season (the non business end). Despite being suspect under pressure, skillwise, some of his run and carry in the early to mid part of 2013 was, at times, valuable. Reckon they might have the same thing in mind in 2014.
Going by last season, Lucas might be played early in the season (the non business end). Despite being suspect under pressure, skillwise, some of his run and carry in the early to mid part of 2013 was, at times, valuable. Reckon they might have the same thing in mind in 2014.
Thinking Kane will be very good this year, not surprised if he plays every game and becomes a key contributor.
No I'm not his father, never been a real fan either but watched a lot of the early 2013 replays and he was ok and very good at times, looked like a guy that would be peaking in a year or so...time will tell but optimistic.
Nice to be back by the way....looks a very competitive year, I'm thinking we will be amongst it....I like our chances Sunday
Welcome aboard BC!
Cripps, Holman and Lucas named as emergencies, putting Everitt, Ellard, McInnes and Menzel on the bench.
I'm actually a bit disappointed to see Cripps miss out. His time will come though!
Be interesting to see who the sub is... you'd think McInnes or maybe Slug Ellard?
On paper the team looks good.
Blues by 19
Be interesting to see who the sub is... you'd think McInnes or maybe Slug Ellard?
I'm tipping Menzel to be sub. He only ever plays 1 quarter of footy anyway. :P
50th game in Navy Blue for Robbie Warnock too, congrats to the big guy !!
Cripps, Holman and Lucas named as emergencies, putting Everitt, Ellard, McInnes and Menzel on the bench.
I'm actually a bit disappointed to see Cripps miss out. His time will come though!
That's a very very strange bench - only one mid?
Cripps, Holman and Lucas named as emergencies, putting Everitt, Ellard, McInnes and Menzel on the bench.
I'm actually a bit disappointed to see Cripps miss out. His time will come though!
That's a very very strange bench - only one mid?
As Nathbear pointed out, when has a team lined up as named?
I reckon Cripps may still get a run as McLean must be in doubt after going off with injuries in the last two practice games. I hope Cripps does play, but not necessarily at McLean's expense; we need his experience and hardness.
On paper the team looks good.
Blues by 19
Blues by 23
You guys are confident, I'm not. I'll be happy with a win.
Cripps, Holman and Lucas named as emergencies, putting Everitt, Ellard, McInnes and Menzel on the bench.
I'm actually a bit disappointed to see Cripps miss out. His time will come though!
That's a very very strange bench - only one mid?
As Nathbear pointed out, when has a team lined up as named?
I reckon Cripps may still get a run as McLean must be in doubt after going off with injuries in the last two practice games. I hope Cripps does play, but not necessarily at McLean's expense; we need his experience and hardness.
Still leaves us light on for mids no matter how you slice and dice it.
Still leaves us light on for mids no matter how you slice and dice it.
Tuohy, Simpson, Walker, Thomas, Murphy, Curnow, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Gibbs, Bell, Mclean and Ellard can all play in the midfield. I'm more concerned about our lack of KPPs. That's genuine KPPs, not ruckmen masquerading as KPPs or third talls trying to do the job.
Still leaves us light on for mids no matter how you slice and dice it.
Tuohy, Simpson, Walker, Thomas, Murphy, Curnow, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Gibbs, Bell, Mclean and Ellard can all play in the midfield. I'm more concerned about our lack of KPPs. That's genuine KPPs, not ruckmen masquerading as KPPs or third talls trying to do the job.
Well that's an endemic problem we have which can't be fixed by fluffing around with who you name on the bench DJC - there ain't many on the books - real good ones that is. What concerns me, aside from that, is whether we'll have enough MF run to match Port for 4 qtrs on Sunday - I don't think so and it's a worry.
I'm disappointed that neither Rowe or Casboult could force their way into the team, particularly Rowe as he is more versatile than Casboult and could have given us another swingman to use like Henderson. If neither is good enough to make the team now, I suspect we won't see much of them as the season progresses.
I'm more than comfortable with our midfield and I would expect more than the usual suspects to spend time in the guts.
Tonights game shows that aside from trends you cannot learn much from preseason.
Only meaningful trend that i can see is that we dont score easily. Not new information but I would guess we are efficient with our scoring where we score off minimal entries inside fifty.
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
He's just a kid and will need at least 2/3 pre-seasons to show us everything he has. Expecting someone so young to run out games at the highest level is a bit unrealistic, Cocko! ;) :)
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
You guys are confident, I'm not. I'll be happy with a win.
I've picked Port, we were pretty much even with them last season and we haven't had the best preparation with most of our best players under injury clouds.
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
I don't know his level of fitness. All I heard i the pre-season was how poor his endurance was.
If it's somewhere around Menzels fitness last year he might be ok, any less than that he might struggle.
You guys are confident, I'm not. I'll be happy with a win.
I've picked Port, we were pretty much even with them last season and we haven't had the best preparation with most of our best players under injury clouds.
Just need Shadesy to not back us and we are a shoe-in
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
I don't know his level of fitness. All I heard i the pre-season was how poor his endurance was.
If it's somewhere around Menzels fitness last year he might be ok, any less than that he might struggle.
Not many kids can step up to AFL level fitness in the space of 1 off-season. And by 'not many' i mean like 1%.
Given that Cripps is a tall lad and is bigger than most 18yo kids coming into the game and is an in and under extractor. You'd expect he would suffer in both speed and endurance coming into AFL level. I dont think he is worse off than most coming into the league. Yarran is playing his 6th season this year and still doesn't have AFL level midfield fitness.
Go easy on Cripps. ;)
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
I don't know his level of fitness. All I heard i the pre-season was how poor his endurance was.
If it's somewhere around Menzels fitness last year he might be ok, any less than that he might struggle.
Not many kids can step up to AFL level fitness in the space of 1 off-season. And by 'not many' i mean like 1%.
Given that Cripps is a tall lad and is bigger than most 18yo kids coming into the game and is an in and under extractor. You'd expect he would suffer in both speed and endurance coming into AFL level. I dont think he is worse off than most coming into the league. Yarran is playing his 6th season this year and still doesn't have AFL level midfield fitness.
Go easy on Cripps. ;)
I swear you don't read whats written.
Who's having a go at him?
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
I don't know his level of fitness. All I heard i the pre-season was how poor his endurance was.
If it's somewhere around Menzels fitness last year he might be ok, any less than that he might struggle.
Not many kids can step up to AFL level fitness in the space of 1 off-season. And by 'not many' i mean like 1%.
Given that Cripps is a tall lad and is bigger than most 18yo kids coming into the game and is an in and under extractor. You'd expect he would suffer in both speed and endurance coming into AFL level. I dont think he is worse off than most coming into the league. Yarran is playing his 6th season this year and still doesn't have AFL level midfield fitness.
Go easy on Cripps. ;)
I swear you don't read whats written.
Who's having a go at him?
I swear you read things with a view to everyone is attacking you.
Just saying how it is. Not saying you have written him off.
You heard that his fitness level was poor. I was suggesting that it is expected.
Where is the fire??
I'm disappointed that neither Rowe or Casboult could force their way into the team, particularly Rowe as he is more versatile than Casboult and could have given us another swingman to use like Henderson. If neither is good enough to make the team now, I suspect we won't see much of them as the season progresses.
Rowe is about as bad as we've got on the list right now....he's absolutely terrible, if he sets foot in the senior team this year, then that'll be a fair reflection of our depth at that time. Whereas Casboult & Waite cannot play in the same team. Period. When they do, our midfield is obsessed with kicking it (unsuccessfully on most occasions) to Waite & Casboult ends up being totally lost & ineffective, the forward line subsequently becomes a mess....moreso than what it already is.
Ellard or Cripps is a no-brainer for me at this stage......and the correct decision was made.
Brettie the voice or reality yet again.
@DJC to say that Rowe is more versatile than Casboult means that he can suck at both ends of the ground just as badly.
I'd be concerned if Cripps wasn't fit enough.
Can't carry guys who can't run out games.
You can if you play them as the sub.
Personally i'd have Cripps in as the sub, rather than Ellard in the team.
Cripps' time will come, he'll be ok with somre more time and pre-seasons.
I don't know his level of fitness. All I heard i the pre-season was how poor his endurance was.
If it's somewhere around Menzels fitness last year he might be ok, any less than that he might struggle.
Not many kids can step up to AFL level fitness in the space of 1 off-season. And by 'not many' i mean like 1%.
Given that Cripps is a tall lad and is bigger than most 18yo kids coming into the game and is an in and under extractor. You'd expect he would suffer in both speed and endurance coming into AFL level. I dont think he is worse off than most coming into the league. Yarran is playing his 6th season this year and still doesn't have AFL level midfield fitness.
Go easy on Cripps. ;)
I swear you don't read whats written.
Who's having a go at him?
I swear you read things with a view to everyone is attacking you.
Not everyone.
I just hope we win so I can continue to read Nick's Collingwood.
Every game we win and they lose twists the knife.
Most see the issue as Fat Ed's ego as much as Bucks' poor coaching.
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
Really can't be arsed going tonight....
Too late on a school night :(
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
there are other ways
All 3 emergencies not playing in the VFL. Looks like some late changes coming.
Casboult and Rowe are playing in the ressies so you expect that means Henderson is a certain starter tonight.
All 3 emergencies not playing in the VFL. Looks like some late changes coming.
Did Army play? If not he could be another factor for tonight? He's not listed as injured.
Really can't be arsed going tonight....
Too late on a school night :(
i absolutely agree. for the first time I am contemplating not going. if we win, get hyped and cannot sleep. Dont win, get stressed and hyped and cannot sleep for an intense work week and school week for children
the AFL is eating itself now and Vlad and media should all take a good hard look at themselves..
All 3 emergencies not playing in the VFL. Looks like some late changes coming.
Did Army play? If not he could be another factor for tonight? He's not listed as injured.
I don't think he can play if he's not listed in the squad/EMGs.
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
I just moved to Sydney Sheik. I am also not happy!
Really can't be arsed going tonight....
Too late on a school night :(
i absolutely agree. for the first time I am contemplating not going. if we win, get hyped and cannot sleep. Dont win, get stressed and hyped and cannot sleep for an intense work week and school week for children
the AFL is eating itself now and Vlad and media should all take a good hard look at themselves..
The AFL would've been stupid to schedule the game while the Grand Prix is on. I hate the idea of a split round, though. They should've just had a full round next week.
::)
It's been 7 months without footy. Stop whining already and get into it. We'll loose tonight but that's not the point.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
Either way, football is back. Oh how how I have missed you so!!! >:D
::)
It's been 7 months without footy. Stop whining already and get into it. We'll loose tonight but that's not the point.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
Either way, football is back. Oh how how I have missed you so!!! >:D
Connolly has his own form of logic. Waffles on about obscure and unimportant events in the game choosing to ignore what the rest of us are talking about, because it gives him the "^@ts. Staggers me that we retains a football related role.
Really can't be arsed going tonight....
Too late on a school night :(
i absolutely agree. for the first time I am contemplating not going. if we win, get hyped and cannot sleep. Dont win, get stressed and hyped and cannot sleep for an intense work week and school week for children
the AFL is eating itself now and Vlad and media should all take a good hard look at themselves..
The AFL would've been stupid to schedule the game while the Grand Prix is on. I hate the idea of a split round, though. They should've just had a full round next week.
thats the point - the AFL are only listening to the media - hence the split round, because the media interests say "well we (afl) cannot complete with the grand prix". This type of thinking is absolutely misguided garbage. Car racing is a totally different market to AFL. It indicates to me that the AFL are weak, listen too much to the broadcasters and do not have confidence in their own product.
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
I just moved to Sydney Sheik. I am also not happy!
Gents, same in ACT. Found a solution, for this game anyway...
AFL running a registration promo on the website. Sign up to a
Subscription and get a free Week trial period. Unsubscribe
Before the week is up and you won't be charged.
I'm going to hook up the laptop to the TV and watch that way...
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
I just moved to Sydney Sheik. I am also not happy!
Gents, same in ACT. Found a solution, for this game anyway...
AFL running a registration promo on the website. Sign up to a
Subscription and get a free Week trial period. Unsubscribe
Before the week is up and you won't be charged.
I'm going to hook up the laptop to the TV and watch that way...
Klingas, you are a gun!
I was looking into paying for Foxtel but with a young family (who really should not be encouraged to watch tv), I cannot justify the cost.
I still may head to the local pub to watch the second half once the little one is in bed but your idea sounds a bit more attractive.
Klingas, you are a gun!
I was looking into paying for Foxtel but with a young family (who really should not be encouraged to watch tv), I cannot justify the cost.
I still may head to the local pub to watch the second half once the little one is in bed but your idea sounds a bit more attractive.
The Mrs doesn't have to like the justification.
Just go through old geischen and vlad interviews and you will get the idea.
Just looked up the TV guide for Sydney and found no coverage of our game - not happy Jan !!
I just moved to Sydney Sheik. I am also not happy!
Gents, same in ACT. Found a solution, for this game anyway...
AFL running a registration promo on the website. Sign up to a
Subscription and get a free Week trial period. Unsubscribe
Before the week is up and you won't be charged.
I'm going to hook up the laptop to the TV and watch that way...
Good news. Saves me 2hours of driving. Have to be up by 5.30 tomorrow. Thoughtless programming AFL!
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
No one is more disingenuous tha Darcy. Did you watch the per-game crapola last night? Where's Before The Game?
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
No one is more disingenuous tha Darcy. Did you watch the per-game crapola last night? Where's Before The Game?
Can't stand any of the Essenscum journos as well as 'look at me, look at me' Darcy.
It's a pity we don't have any good Carlton journos and commentators.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
No one is more disingenuous tha Darcy. Did you watch the per-game crapola last night? Where's Before The Game?
I couldn't believe it when told but its been axed. The one bloody show I looked forward to compared to all the other footy crap on these days and its gone.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
No one is more disingenuous tha Darcy. Did you watch the per-game crapola last night? Where's Before The Game?
Can't stand any of the Essenscum journos as well as 'look at me, look at me' Darcy.
It's a pity we don't have any good Carlton journos and commentators.
Sam Pang is good. What I hate is Ch7 thinks that ex-footballers somehow have comedic talent. Ling, Darcy, Taylor, Bruuuuuuuuuccceeee and Cometti = not funny. Lehmo, Hughesy, Mick Molloy all work well together. Mick Molloy looked lost last night.
I suppose the ex-footballers are there for their knowledge of the game, but they never criticise in case they offend someone.
On a side note. Does anyone actually rate Rohan Connolly? Gee I don't like that guy. Listened to him earlier on SEN and can happily state that I did not miss him. Viney can be a twat too, but is man enough to own up to being wrong when it's time. Red and Black tinted Bomber apologist Connolly is close enough to Luke D'Arcy quality to start checking family genes.
And he speaks with such a smug voice, typical scum.
No one is more disingenuous tha Darcy. Did you watch the per-game crapola last night? Where's Before The Game?
Can't stand any of the Essenscum journos as well as 'look at me, look at me' Darcy.
It's a pity we don't have any good Carlton journos and commentators.
Sam Pang is good. What I hate is Ch7 thinks that ex-footballers somehow have comedic talent. Ling, Darcy, Taylor, Bruuuuuuuuuccceeee and Cometti = not funny. Lehmo, Hughesy, Mick Molloy all work well together. Mick Molloy looked lost last night.
I suppose the ex-footballers are there for their knowledge of the game, but they never criticise in case they offend someone.
Hughesy is good but not actually a journo and Molloy is a barrel of laughs but you can't take a Richmond supporter seriously.
Andy Maher is about as good as we have got at the moment. And on the Blue Print he is great.
Carlton by 6 goals, Yarran to kick 3.
I've decided to go. Can't handle watching it on TV. I have faith. We will win by 17 points. Garlett will cut loose with 4 goals. Kreuzer will dominate.
No change, Menzel sub. So why didn't Cripps! Holman or our other emergency play for the Northern Bs??
Carlton will go in with the side named. Menzel to start as sub
No change, Menzel sub. So why didn't Cripps! Holman or our other emergency play for the Northern Bs??
In case 3 went down in the warmup.