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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -The issue is that the data used to support both sets of numbers were used to paint a picture.
The adverse reactions to the vaccines under reported as coincidences. Likewise the number of people significantly impacted by covid were over stated.
The vaccine companies (all) made wide sweeping shonky claims afmbout efficacy to go with it and you end up with a scenario where most people questioned what the best outcome was going to be.
When you strip it all bare, covid was no walk in the park. It isn't the killer it was made out to be either but it left the general public questioning what was the lesser of two evils and real doctors were silenced on the matter and it became politicised.
Where you sit in any of it is subjective and largely determined by personal choices but I saw some extremely autocratic behaviour which I'm hoping never gets repeated.
I think there is a fair bit of hindsight going on, 3 Leos. At the time, we just didn't know. Worst case scenario seemed plausible and frightening.
Science and pollies were all on the back foot and unsure, and most were doing their best.
I don't recall any vaccine manufacturer claiming 100% safety; they spoke of the potential -- albeit low -- risk for some people, hence staying in surgeries/pharmacies for 15 minutes after the innoculation before leaving. But as troubling as it was to know, there was a low risk for some folks, as there is with every medication/vaccine.
In hindsight some pollies overreacted and some under-reacted. Few got it right - in hindsight.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Lods -Quote
Carlton legend Brendan Fevola has declared he is "sad" at the fact that no gay AFL players have felt safe enough to come out and express their sexual identity after podcaster Scott O'Halloran revealed he previously had a years-long relationship with an AFL player..
Speaking on Fevola's Melbourne radio show, The Fox's Fifi, Fev and Nick for Breakfast, O'Halloran said he had a relationship with a now retired player for "about 3-4 years", adding that he would "never ever share their identity"
Funny this...
Ian Roberts came out nearly 30 years ago in Rugby League.
Women AFL+Soccer players seem to have no trouble with it.
Colin Hughes the gay footballer on Ted Lasso declared himself...teammates seemed more concerned he didn't trust them with the info.
I guess the question is...
Is it anybody's business?
Do we really need to know?
Is it important that we know"
Would it be a positive for young gay footballers, or would the atmosphere in a teenage team be a little less tolerant than a professional organistation
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Thryleon -There are very few areas in life that don't involve a risk to benefit comparison. Apparently, 2 or 3 per 100,000 people vaccinated with AZ ended up with TTS. Granted, nobody wants to be one of those 2 or 3, but all things considered, there are a great many people who reaped the benefits of having an AZ vaccination (not to mention their close associates and loved ones) and very few that did not.
The issue is that the data used to support both sets of numbers were used to paint a picture.
The adverse reactions to the vaccines under reported as coincidences. Likewise the number of people significantly impacted by covid were over stated.
The vaccine companies (all) made wide sweeping shonky claims afmbout efficacy to go with it and you end up with a scenario where most people questioned what the best outcome was going to be.
When you strip it all bare, covid was no walk in the park. It isn't the killer it was made out to be either but it left the general public questioning what was the lesser of two evils and real doctors were silenced on the matter and it became politicised.
Where you sit in any of it is subjective and largely determined by personal choices but I saw some extremely autocratic behaviour which I'm hoping never gets repeated.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -I think they can come across like that, but it's mostly a defence mechanism, particularly if they are late career scientists and engineers.
Maybe those who seem to be a touch on a spectrum, which is often more common than you might think, can have a very myopic approach being heavily focussed on one specific area, and that can leave others thinking they are dismissive or arrogant. It's more common than you might suspect, little eccentricities that annoy everyday folk.
On the issue of genuine arrogance, I find that it's very rare a good scientist is arrogant, in most cases the very good scientists doubt and question everything even their own work, which is actually the default scientific process.
I think I understand where you're coming from, Spotted One... so a point of clarification. When I use the word 'arrogant' pertaining to scientists/engineers/physicists and so on, I don't see it as a negative but rather a necessity for someone pursuing their goal provided it is often balanced with humility (but not so much you get walked over) and that humility often shows itself in questioning whatever they're doing and the way they're doing it, which you mention.
Right on the money when you bring in the 'spectrum' and how these folks may appear... their people skills are often not their strong suit. Not too many amazing scientific discoveries made by people who aren't/weren't bi-polar, Asperger... etc.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by LP -Strange, but most of the scientists and engineers I know couldn't give a fig about social media, in fact their confidence borders on arrogance... which is necessary to further their work.I think they can come across like that, but it's mostly a defence mechanism, particularly if they are late career scientists and engineers.
Maybe those who seem to be a touch on a spectrum, which is often more common than you might think, can have a very myopic approach being heavily focussed on one specific area, and that can leave others thinking they are dismissive or arrogant. It's more common than you might suspect, little eccentricities that annoy everyday folk.
For example, among those I have worked with there is a surprisingly high level of dyslexia, even in those who can freely speak multiple languages.
The ones who are great orators are truly the exception, but the general public seems to expect that a brilliant scientific mind assumes a brilliant communicator, and that is far from the case!
On the issue of genuine arrogance, I find that it's very rare a good scientist is arrogant, in most cases the very good scientists doubt and question everything even their own work, which is actually the default scientific process. Make an assertion and then test it, a good scientist is always trying to prove an assertion is false. It's the bad ones that mask other deficiencies and ignore scientific process that are often caught using arrogance as a deflection mechanism.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -I thought Ollie Hollands for the sub tonight. Cottrell might get the job on Langdon on one wing with Acres on the other.Agree....Ollie is very loose and lets his man play off him too much, you cant do that vs Langdon or even the new kid Windsor who is a goalkicker. Id rather see a tight game like when we played Melbourne last time than a free for all up and down the ground high scoring game. Make every contest tough and frustrate Oliver, Gawn etc who dont like physical attention...Id be wanting Pittonet just to go at Gawn all the time and forget about tapouts etc and Id have Hewett shadowing Oliver everywhere he goes.
Petracca, Fritsch, May and Lever will have some impact and thats to be expected but as long as our key players like Cripps, Walsh, Charlie, Harry etc are doing the same I think we will win the game.
Blues by 11 points...
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -A common stress for the scientists and engineers is driven by doubt, that is the "imposter syndrome", they get bashed by the media and social media fakers and start to worry, this has a real world effect just like the PTSD you describe, and much of this doubt is seeded for profit, to sell adverting, newspapers or to beg for donations / subscriptions.
Strange, but most of the scientists and engineers I know couldn't give a fig about social media, in fact their confidence borders on arrogance... which is necessary to further their work.
I suspect you might like the work of Eric Weinstein. He dissects brilliantly the challenges facing modern day innovators/thinkers/creatives/physicists/mathematicians... He's no slouch in speaking out -- and has done for decades -- about the modern day blocks and stupidity of politicians to these invaluable folks.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -I think last time we played them we made life too easy for May and Lever, they nearly won the game for the Dees, except if I recall one uncharacteristic stuff up. Of course I think we had McKay out last time we played. (Ignoring pre-season rubbish.)