https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-tells-star-recruit-mitch-mcgovern-to-improve-his-fitness/news-story/86eef35e94f06177798d6b4b1548a739
Wow :o
Back and ankle issues meant he has barely trained.
He has to go on a "conditioning block". Back in less PC days it was called Lance's Fat Farm.
He had a really interrupted preseason and looked to be struggling with things like timing prior to being managed.
He's probably been hampered by a number of injuries through the year.
He probably should have been 'rested' weeks ago but the fact that he was 'managed' and didn't play VFL suggests he shouldn't be playing at all until he gets himself right.
The “ongoing back and ankle injuries” that McGovern is said to have been carrying for some time turn out to be just extra weight from a lack of professionalism when it comes to training >:(
So much for Teague’s strident defence of McGovern as the decoy forward. A newby mistake and one that he should learn from.
Lance may be able to provide Mitch with an old tyre to drag around Princes Park.
The “ongoing back and ankle injuries” that McGovern is said to have been carrying for some time turn out to be just extra weight from a lack of professionalism when it comes to training >:(
So much for Teague’s strident defence of McGovern as the decoy forward. A newby mistake and one that he should learn from.
Lance may be able to provide Mitch with an old tyre to drag around Princes Park.
Yeah he should have thrown him to the wolves
Much better way to win your players trust
Bolton’s gone. Get over it
Mitch is in an elite environment. He has all the resources he needs to reach his potential. I hope he sees this as an opportunity to (manage injuries) get the best out of himself. That's what he's getting paid for.
I also hope every other player is treated with the same care and directness. Pressure for spots will only increase. Gotta say - I like the approach. Earn your spot and embrace the privilege.
Mitch is in an elite environment. He has all the resources he needs to reach his potential. I hope he sees this as an opportunity to (manage injuries) get the best out of himself. That's what he's getting paid for.
I also hope every other player is treated with the same care and directness. Pressure for spots will only increase. Gotta say - I like the approach. Earn your spot and embrace the privilege.
Hopefully Mitch has been left in no doubt where he stands and what is required. Sounds like the stables are being given a clean up and we really mean business. Let's hope so!
Started as “Brackets” ... and now he needs a conditioning block?
It’s time the club made players accountable. Letting them know you don’t automatically get game time based on your pay packet. Good and great sides have done this in the past with success. I hope Mitch learns what work ethic is and how important it should be for the future of our club.
The “ongoing back and ankle injuries” that McGovern is said to have been carrying for some time turn out to be just extra weight from a lack of professionalism when it comes to training >:(
So much for Teague’s strident defence of McGovern as the decoy forward. A newby mistake and one that he should learn from.
Lance may be able to provide Mitch with an old tyre to drag around Princes Park.
Teague last week said he's been unable to to train much all year. You don't look that out of shape at an AFL club unless there is an issue. They'd never allow it.
Started as “Brackets” ... and now he needs a conditioning block?
Once upon a time it was called a trip to the fat farm...lol.
He had no preseason due to stress fractures in his back which I doubt had full healed by round 1.
He had no preseason due to stress fractures in his back which I doubt had full healed by round 1.
Fair enough but he must not be selected until he meets the required fitness standards and is on form. This must he a principle the team lives by unless there are extreme extenuating corcumstances in play. How close is Kerr? Maybe time to give him a run?
Yeah he should have thrown him to the wolves
Much better way to win your players trust
Bolton’s gone. Get over it
Ohh my, Bolton's done it again!
If sMurph hadn't been captain, this would never have happened!
Our fitness staff are so poor, what we really need are the high performance team from the Dawks!
::)
Ohh my, Bolton's done it again!
If sMurph hadn't been captain, this would never have happened!
Our fitness staff are so poor, what we really need are the high performance team from the Dawks!
::)
So why is Teagues fault?
Grow up and read the post again.
Don’t see why Teague cops it from DJC.
He is head coach, do you believe he should publicly ridicule him?
You’re another who can’t get over Bolton’s dismissal due to his failures
So why is Teagues fault?
Grow up and read the post again.
Don’t see why Teague cops it from DJC.
He is head coach, do you believe he should publicly ridicule him?
You’re another who can’t get over Bolton’s dismissal due to his failures
You get that you are again the one who brought Bolton into this thread.
You do it everywhere! You have the same handful of individuals you hate that you blame or associate for pretty much everything you see as wrong with the club! You are obsessed!
DJC did not mention Bolton!
DJC made a simple statement about Teague defending McGovern's poor game, in a public statement made in a post-match presser. Comments that Teague must now wear and as DJC stated it now appears as a rookie mistake. Teague cannot cherry pick what goes on his CV and what gets excluded, it's all public domain, it's all open for debate!
Many coaches, not only DT, keep player issues close to their chest and try to work through them more privately first. I don't have a problem with that. Some things are better kept out of the spotlight while an internal resolution can be found. Enough of the soap operas.
You get that you are again the one who brought Bolton into this thread.
You do it everywhere! You have the same handful of individuals you hate that you blame or associate for pretty much everything you see as wrong with the club! You are obsessed!
DJC did not mention Bolton!
DJC made a simple statement about Teague defending McGovern's poor game, in a public statement made in a post-match presser. Comments that Teague must now wear and as DJC stated it now appears as a rookie mistake. Teague cannot cherry pick what goes on his CV and what gets excluded, it's all public domain, it's all open for debate!
FFS
The article is about McGovern.
As I said, do you expect Teague to throw him under the bus publicly.
All of a sudden DJC is criticising the coach.
It’s not a rookie mistake.
He is supporting his player publicly.
Teague last week said he's been unable to to train much all year. You don't look that out of shape at an AFL club unless there is an issue. They'd never allow it.
So why is his approach to training and fitness now being described as unprofessional? And why does he have to complete a specific training block before being considered for selection?
I get that the coach has to stand up for his players but it sounds like Mitch was being a decoy at training too. It’s not a good look for the coach to be saying one thing and the club to apparently contradict his message.
My main concern is how McGovern lost condition this far into the season. I would have expected Russell to pick up any fitness issues before they became a concern.
FFS
The article is about McGovern.
As I said, do you expect Teague to throw him under the bus publicly.
All of a sudden DJC is criticising the coach.
It’s not a rookie mistake.
He is supporting his player publicly.
Not criticising the coach - expressing concern at the club apparently contradicting both of Teague’s explanations for McGovern’s poor form. Is McGovern a decoy, is he unfit and unable to train or is he unprofessional and not meeting standards? The club should pick one explanation and stick with it.
The easier option was obviously offered to Mitch first. Now he gets the harder one. Hopefully now he will respond.
Both MacGovern lads came with the rep of being poor trainers. I hope group standards prevail.
I said in pre-season we wouldn't see the best of McGovern this year after hearing about the stress fractures in his back. VINDICATED.
Russell or no Russell. You cannot replace a solid pre season, even with blocks of heavy training, because these days the players focus more on recovery during the week than they do actual strength and conditioning.
Look at Tom Williamson and how badly they have effected his career over the last 2 years. Bloke can barely get on the park. McGovern has done well to get out there, and its worth noting that he plays with a fair amount of aggression (some of his tackles have been rippers).
Its a credit to him we have gotten what we have gotten out of him this year where he is still in a top few on the goal kicking table.
Lets not get all high and mighty here. We are talking about a minor set back causing even the most profesional of players real difficulty with getting on the park and performing consistently. Have a look at Matty Krezuer's career. Bloke has been nothing but the consumate proffessional. I see him often enough to know that he is meticulous with his preparation and diet, and even he has been someone who has struggled to get on the park consistently.
Is it "high and mighty" to expect our guys to be fully fit and prepared when they take to the field wearing our jumper? ???
FFS
The article is about McGovern.
Exactly, why did you bring Bolton into it yet again?
Is it "high and mighty" to expect our guys to be fully fit and prepared when they take to the field wearing our jumper? ???
Yes and no Cookie.
Fully fit and prepared is relative to where the team is at. If you were to make a rule that players would only play when they were 100% fit and ready to go, then you would struggle to field a team most weeks.
We only hear about significant set backs. The type that prevent players from being able to play at all.
Sometimes they strap up an ankle, and take a pain killer. Sometimes they play with a rib shield on. Or a helmet. Or a mask. Or hamstring strain which will not hamper running, but prevent them kicking the footy with any depth or power.
everything is relative. If you ever see a player go a whole game kicking minimally, and handballing, odds are they will have some sort of leg muscle complaint that doesnt prevent them from playing footy, but limits their effectiveness.
McGovern has been carrying a back injury for most of the year, and then add the ankle that he rolled about a month and a half ago.
Charlie Curnow carried a knee since roughly the Gold Coast game. He was able to kick 7 against the Bulldogs, and broke down against Freo with that same injury.
When I say high and mighty, its in respect to expecting people to give 100% of themselves, each and every time. Somtimes they can only give you 90% of themselves, and that has to be sufficient, because no one is in their peak condition and form every day for their entire sporting career. The good ones are able to play well even when they are not.
@Thry
Understand that we are all human, biorhythms, injuries etc. However, we have had other fully fit alternatives to Mitch who has been incapable of satisfactorily performing his on field role because he's not fit/hampered by injury. Why aren't those avenues pursued? Players seen to be getting an obvious free ride are team morale killers - I've seen that and it applies to all teams, sporting or otherwise. What Mitch can't do to perform his role others have to cover for and it can put them under pressure and make them look bad - that wears thin after a while.
@Thry
Understand that we are all human, biorhythms, injuries etc. However, we have had other fully fit alternatives to Mitch who has been incapable of satisfactorily performing his on field role because he's not fit/hampered by injury. Why aren't those avenues pursued? Players seen to be getting an obvious free ride are team morale killers - I've seen that and it applies to all teams, sporting or otherwise. What Mitch can't do to perform his role others have to cover for and it can put them under pressure and make them look bad - that wears thin after a while.
I understand that Cookie.
You would have to have an intimate knowledge of the alternatives, and McGovern to really make that judgement call.
From what I have seen he has provided some tangible benefit with his presence that others have not been able to until we put Kennedy forward. That means the alternatives that you were considering, might not be the same that the club were considering for McGovern. From the outside looking in, the alternative option was who, Patrick Kerr??
the club appear to have wanted someone a little bit less mark and kick, and more split pack, contested mark, and perhaps forward pressuer. Thats not Kerr. Hes a mark and kick type. Fasolo is also a mark and kick time. Cameron Polson isnt splitting a pack, hes getting front and square.
Its a tricky one. You can oversimplify these things sometimes. Remember Teague has only had 5 games with us, and has had a bit of adversity to deal with in terms of first Charlie, then Harry, then weitering, and now Goddard breaking down in terms of talls. Mcgovern is a medium type. Kennedy is a medium type. Fasolo is too small, Kerr is probably too big. Who are the others that you speak of, and are they in fact 100% fit and ready to go? Mcgovern can be a game winner, but he hasnt been on this year, but even so, he commands respect which means others get lesser defenders than they might otherwise.
@Thry
I agree that I'm not across all of the details of what's been going on in the club - we on here can only guess. However, if you wan't a pack splitter then Levi come on down? We had cover for him in defence.
So why is his approach to training and fitness now being described as unprofessional? And why does he have to complete a specific training block before being considered for selection?
I get that the coach has to stand up for his players but it sounds like Mitch was being a decoy at training too. It’s not a good look for the coach to be saying one thing and the club to apparently contradict his message.
My main concern is how McGovern lost condition this far into the season. I would have expected Russell to pick up any fitness issues before they became a concern.
Did they call it unprofessional? Teague said at his presser last week that McGovern had barely made it to they training track due to ongoing issues with back and ankle problems. Maybe he was a decoy. If he wasn't in shape to get a kick you have to use him as something. Now they are going with a conditioning block for him. Interesting time this late in the year. Should have been a long while ago. Shouldn't have been playing and sorting his issues.
Shouldn't have been playing and sorting his issues.
Maybe McGovern was playing injured because our other forward options aren't reliable or professional?
Sometimes it may be easier to shoot the seasoned professional, like kicking Daisy, sMurph or Casboult, rather than risk stomping on a kid and losing them for life! The shot across the bow!
I'm OK with what Teague said, I mentioned in posts a couple of weeks back McGovern was doing all the right sacrificial things, stuff that Charlie, Casboult and McKay benefitted from but left McGovern with very little personal gain. Stuff guys like McLean and Wright used to do that got them no credit. Creating space, dragging opponents away, the opposite of the kids who take everyone in the vicinity to the football!
Exactly, why did you bring Bolton into it yet again?
For the tenth time.
Don’t respond without reading the post.
For the tenth time.
Don’t respond without reading the post.
You mean this post;
Yeah he should have thrown him to the wolves
Much better way to win your players trust
Bolton’s gone. Get over it
That somebody posted in relation to the below comments from DJC about Teague that do not mention Bolton!
The “ongoing back and ankle injuries” that McGovern is said to have been carrying for some time turn out to be just extra weight from a lack of professionalism when it comes to training >:(
So much for Teague’s strident defence of McGovern as the decoy forward. A newby mistake and one that he should learn from.
Lance may be able to provide Mitch with an old tyre to drag around Princes Park.
Circulus in probando ::)
You mean this post;
That somebody posted in relation to the below comments from DJC about Teague that do not mention Bolton!
Circulus in probando ::)
That’s the one.
I’m sure being so clever, you can join the dots
That’s the one.
I’m sure being so clever, you can join the dots
Clever or smart...........?
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/mcgovern-breaks-silence-on-carlton-axing/ar-AAEowQb?ocid=spartandhp
The club and players are having an each way bet IMO. I don't understand if he's out of shape because of injuries, laziness / lack of professionalism, or both ? And why has he held a spot up until now ? If he's too injured to do his role, he shouldn't be playing, and if he's too lazy to train properly he most certainly shouldn't be playing.
Yet another badly handled situation by our club. Frankly, calling our club amateurish is an insult to amateurs.
The club and players are having an each way bet IMO. I don't understand if he's out of shape because of injuries, laziness / lack of professionalism, or both ? And why has he held a spot up until now ? If he's too injured to do his role, he shouldn't be playing, and if he's too lazy to train properly he most certainly shouldn't be playing.
Yet another badly handled situation by our club. Frankly, calling our club amateurish is an insult to amateurs.
Yet we have Andrew Russell as head of fitness and conditioning.
The club and players are having an each way bet IMO. I don't understand if he's out of shape because of injuries, laziness / lack of professionalism, or both ? And why has he held a spot up until now ? If he's too injured to do his role, he shouldn't be playing, and if he's too lazy to train properly he most certainly shouldn't be playing.
Yet another badly handled situation by our club. Frankly, calling our club amateurish is an insult to amateurs.
Interesting.
PaulP, as people who have both stood up for Bolton, don't you see that this is a little bit of an idictment on the MC led by Brendan Bolton?
In round 1, it was an eyebrow raiser to have played both of Alex Fasolo, and Mitch McGovern ahead of Jack Silvagni.
It sent the wrong message to the group. A bloke who had employed his own running coach in the off season, had a really solid pre season and gotten himself in the best nick of his career (JSOS) was dropped for round 1 so we could play Alex (broke my arm in a drunken incident) Fasolo, and Mitch (Brackets/stress fracture/out of condition) McGovern?
Teague's led MC has dropped him after giving him a period to prove his worth as well as dealing with the injuries to McKay and Charlie Curnow.
We had plenty of opportunities to drop Mitch this year and havent done it. That means there were intangibles he was bringing to the table that wasnt to do with his own performance.
Yet we have Andrew Russell as head of fitness and conditioning.
it's an odd one, isn't it?
Interesting.
PaulP, as people who have both stood up for Bolton, don't you see that this is a little bit of an indictment on the MC led by Brendan Bolton?
Thry, I think PaulP highlights that the problem is probably bigger than the coach, while your words suggest an idea that the coach is the major or primary contributing cause. It seems obvious to me that PaulP probably thinks the root cause is a much bigger umbrella issue that the coach works under.
What was the mandate and has it changed, it seems so!
Are we really judging apples for apples?
Interesting.
PaulP, as people who have both stood up for Bolton, don't you see that this is a little bit of an idictment on the MC led by Brendan Bolton?
In round 1, it was an eyebrow raiser to have played both of Alex Fasolo, and Mitch McGovern ahead of Jack Silvagni.
It sent the wrong message to the group. A bloke who had employed his own running coach in the off season, had a really solid pre season and gotten himself in the best nick of his career (JSOS) was dropped for round 1 so we could play Alex (broke my arm in a drunken incident) Fasolo, and Mitch (Brackets/stress fracture/out of condition) McGovern?
Teague's led MC has dropped him after giving him a period to prove his worth as well as dealing with the injuries to McKay and Charlie Curnow.
We had plenty of opportunities to drop Mitch this year and havent done it. That means there were intangibles he was bringing to the table that wasnt to do with his own performance.
Yes, I agree all that is plausible, but it doesn't (at least for me) clarify the issue. There are many possible reasons as to why he was played then and dropped now.
Thry, I think PaulP highlights that the problem is probably bigger than the coach, while your words suggest an idea that the coach is the major or primary contributing cause. It seems obvious to me that PaulP probably thinks the root cause is a much bigger umbrella issue that the coach works under.
What was the mandate and has it changed, it seems so!
...............
Yes, that's right. Maybe Teague isn't operating under the same type of pressure, and doesn't need to worry about playing the better players to deliver wins. Maybe he wants to make a point that he won't play favourites. Maybe he wants to protect his mate by getting him out of the team to ensure his reputation isn't sullied any further. I could go on all day, but at the end of it all, I have no idea.
it's an odd one, isn't it?
It must be a conspiracy.
Its always easier to set these sorts of standards once the season has run away from you a bit.
McGovern did roll his ankle against the Bulldogs too.
I am going to float another idea. The club had probably stated privately that they wanted the team to start winning games. Bolton lives and dies by his decisions, and the ones he made were reasoned, but ultimately not quite right to win games of football and due to not winning more than 1 game in 10 (forget the last year, its not worth bringing into the equation) in a "do or die" sort of year for our club, where we have swapped first rounders is ultimately what finished him.
Coaches cant afford to be setting standards for proffesionalism in year 4 of their tenure. Its just not good enough.
Yes, I agree Thry. The only thing I must question is the idea of autonomy that is inherent in your post and our clubs actions.
I seriously doubt Bolton is the solo cause of the situation, but at this stage he's apparently wearing the solo blame!
It doesn't sit well with many of us that have lived through events like this many times before, our club seems to have a persistent and rotten culture in this regard.
every club plays their better players when they aren't quite right. Mitch does a few nice things every game that make a difference, but he wasn't fit enough to do enough of them imo, and eventually realised they were better off taking him out and getting him fit. good idea. was it done too late? probably.
good post earlier about jack being overlooked for Fas & Mitch in round 1.
i like the fact that a line has been drawn pretty much at the bye, and the club is trying to squeeze every last drop out of this season. if it means Mitch has to have a conditioning block late in the season and he gets to play 3 or 4 games with more fitness, and that helps us win even one of those games, then it's a win. I dunno if it's to do with a coaching change, but we seem as a club to now be trying to win EVERY game. This i like. Bugger the future. Our team needs to win now. That will breed wins in the future.
every club plays their better players when they aren't quite right. Mitch does a few nice things every game that make a difference, but he wasn't fit enough to do enough of them imo, and eventually realised they were better off taking him out and getting him fit. good idea. was it done too late? probably.
good post earlier about jack being overlooked for Fas & Mitch in round 1.
i like the fact that a line has been drawn pretty much at the bye, and the club is trying to squeeze every last drop out of this season. if it means Mitch has to have a conditioning block late in the season and he gets to play 3 or 4 games with more fitness, and that helps us win even one of those games, then it's a win. I dunno if it's to do with a coaching change, but we seem as a club to now be trying to win EVERY game. This i like. Bugger the future. Our team needs to win now. That will breed wins in the future.
I think you could guarantee that he'll be busting his ass to get back in 2 weeks time....vs Crows!!
I dunno if it's to do with a coaching change, but we seem as a club to now be trying to win EVERY game. This i like. Bugger the future. Our team needs to win now. That will breed wins in the future.
Agree!!!
Agree!!!
To summarise, the future is now! ;D
Not exactly sure how playing senior players out of position and exposing too many young players in the midfield constitutes playing for the future, but that was what we were doing.
Making winning a priority is the best way to educate and develop young players and create a culture that leads to long term success.
Nearly all sports people I have had anything to do with love winning. It becomes like a drug when you repeatedly succeed. Ultra competitive sports people crave it.
Thankfully we are now striving for it.
Not exactly sure how playing senior players out of position and exposing too many young players in the midfield constitutes playing for the future, but that was what we were doing.
Making winning a priority is the best way to educate and develop young players and create a culture that leads to long term success.
Nearly all sports people I have had anything to do with love winning. It becomes like a drug when you repeatedly succeed. Ultra competitive sports people crave it.
Thankfully we are now striving for it.
It reeks to me of trying to stamp one's authority JH.
And I agree, winning is the best strategy....
Playing guys out of position and winning as a short term benefit more likely pushes into the heart of the debate about building a team to finish 9th versus a squad that can win a flag!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/mcgovern-risks-flushing-his-potential-down-the-toilet-20190718-p528g0.html
Playing guys out of position and winning as a short term benefit more likely pushes into the heart of the debate about building a team to finish 9th versus a squad that can win a flag!
And Bolton was addressing that how exactly that showed ANY indication that his way was a better way to win a flag.
Spurious.
And Bolton was addressing that how exactly that showed ANY indication that his way was a better way to win a flag.
Spurious.
It's as valid as the counterargument, perhaps even more as it's supported by the earlier statements from SOS, when he discussed the difficulties of building a list and developing youth to win a flag instead of just being competitive mid-tier.
It's as valid as the counterargument, perhaps even more as it's supported by the earlier statements from SOS, when he discussed the difficulties of building a list and developing youth to win a flag instead of just being competitive mid-tier.
I repeat - and what evidence is there to suggest anything Bolton was doing was moving us along ANY sort of pathway to that goal?
Or have I missed your point (again)? ;)
I repeat - and what evidence is there to suggest anything Bolton was doing was moving us along ANY sort of pathway to that goal?
Or have I missed your point (again)? ;)
What's the evidence he wasn't, ........ kapisch?
Your argument is bilateral, so in effect worthless, arbitrary, it doesn't contribute anything, or select a perspective, so it's spurious!
What's the evidence he wasn't, ........ kapisch?
Your argument is bilateral, so in effect worthless, arbitrary, it doesn't contribute anything, or select a perspective, so it's spurious!
You're kidding. :-[ :-[
The evidence he wasn't - try the win/loss count. QED.
Capiche? ::)
You're kidding. :-[ :-[
The evidence he wasn't - try the win/loss count. QED.
Capiche? ::)
There is no connection, no matter how hard to try to build one!
It's more likely Teague's recent success is off the back of the last few years, not in-spite of them! ;)
I've tried hard to ignore the improvement over the last few years in Weitering, Casboult, Jones, Cripps, SPS, SoJ, Fisher, etc., etc., but no matter how hard I try I find it impossible to assign it all to Teague's last few weeks! ;D
Man, stop head butting the wall.
I am not talking about Teague's record. But good try.
Man, stop head butting the wall.
I am not talking about Teague's record. But good try.
Apparently the wall was removed on the 3rd of June 2019! ;D
Just for something a little different, and perhaps more on topic...
What has the guru Mr "i kept the hawks together to win flags" Russell got to say about this matter?
Not only is one of his players overweight, but they are apparently struggling to overcome injuries and largely unfit.
Just for something a little different, and perhaps more on topic...
What has the guru Mr "i kept the hawks together to win flags" Russell got to say about this matter?
Not only is one of his players overweight, but they are apparently struggling to overcome injuries and largely unfit.
fair call...
Just for something a little different, and perhaps more on topic...
What has the guru Mr "i kept the hawks together to win flags" Russell got to say about this matter?
Not only is one of his players overweight, but they are apparently struggling to overcome injuries and largely unfit.
Perhaps his concerns about McGovern were ignored :-\
There would have been a fair bit of pressure to play our high profile trade in but who knows what the real situation is?
Perhaps his concerns about McGovern were ignored :-\
There would have been a fair bit of pressure to play our high profile trade in but who knows what the real situation is?
So why or how does the change of coach alter this?
So why or how does the change of coach alter this?
I don’t think it does. The MC determines who will play, hopefully after considering the fitness bloke’s opinion.
Teague has provided another explanation today and he concedes that McGovern should have been given more time to get fully fit before making his debut for us.
I don’t think it does. The MC determines who will play, hopefully after considering the fitness bloke’s opinion.
Teague has provided another explanation today and he concedes that McGovern should have been given more time to get fully fit before making his debut for us.
Thanks DJC.
I had to ask the question so that someone else would publish the obvious answer, without a post being attacked as Bolton Boosting or Teague Trampling!
Thanks DJC.
I had to ask the question so that someone else would publish the obvious answer, without a post being attacked as Bolton Boosting or Teague Trampling!
;D
As I speculated previously, I wonder if the MC was pressured to play McGovern :-\