The Blues play the Roos at Arden St on Saturday at 1400.
Two rucks max this week: Phillips has gone up. Looks like Dow is fit enough and Stocker should play 2 to 3 quarters this week.
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Dow finding that he isn't automatically best 22. Getting 30 at the NBs won't hurt him.
Dow attracts a lot of criticism for a 19 year old second year player. Getting him out of the spotlight for a couple of weeks will do him just as much good as getting a bunch of possessions at the lower level
Dow finding that he isn't automatically best 22. Getting 30 at the NBs won't hurt him.
Nor will hitting a few barns!
Dow attracts a lot of criticism for a 19 year old second year player. Getting him out of the spotlight for a couple of weeks will do him just as much good as getting a bunch of possessions at the lower level
Was a very hyped U18 player who used to get 35 plus possies a game but has struggled to get good numbers at senior level, I like him because he has pace and I watched him burst away at U18
level kick goals and he would run all day. Kicking was never reliable but he got so much of the footy it didnt matter, his kicking is still not great but he cant get the footy enough to impact
and I think he needs some games in the twos to get some big numbers and learn how to deal with the extra physicality and pressure you get playing vs mature age players.
I'd play him on a wing in the seniors, dont think he is cut out for blue collar high impact contested footy and we need to use that pace and ball carrying ability which are his weapons better.
We have other players who can bang bodies and win clearances but we need Dow doing the outside role more IMO.
Was a very hyped U18 player who used to get 35 plus possies a game but has struggled to get good numbers at senior level, I like him because he has pace and I watched him burst away at U18
level kick goals and he would run all day. Kicking was never reliable but he got so much of the footy it didnt matter, his kicking is still not great but he cant get the footy enough to impact
and I think he needs some games in the twos to get some big numbers and learn how to deal with the extra physicality and pressure you get playing vs mature age players.
I'd play him on a wing in the seniors, dont think he is cut out for blue collar high impact contested footy and we need us that pace and ball carrying ability which are his weapons better.
We have other players who can bang bodies and win clearances but we need Dow doing the outside role more IMO.
He's been all but destroyed, physically and mentally, played in the guts at his age....I really feel for the kid.
Very poor player management.
Teague has turned the ship around by playing blokes in their best positions/roles. I reckon they're still trying to sort out exactly were this lad fits. He isn't an inside mid/initial receiver, I like EBs suggestion to Maximise his ball carrying skills.
Teague has turned the ship around by playing blokes in their best positions/roles. I reckon they're still trying to sort out exactly were this lad fits. He isn't an inside mid/initial receiver, I like EBs suggestion to Maximise his ball carrying skills.
He could be anything if developed in the right manner.
There's that magical word.... Development.
He's been all but destroyed, physically and mentally, played in the guts at his age....I really feel for the kid.
Very poor player management.
Thats being a bit extremist. His entire draft year is having second year blues or down on impact.
Only Tim Kelly and Liam Ryan continue kicking on with any real impact on matches week in and week out. Aaron Naughton too, but he was a relative no namer 12 weeks ago.
Have a look at this list:
Cameron Rayner
Andrew Brayshaw
Paddy Dow
Luke Davies-Uniacke
Adam Cerra
Jaidyn Stephenson - Bucking the trend, but still suspended and having no impact now.
Hunter Clark
Nick Coffield
Aaron Naughton
Lochie O'Brien
Aiden Bonar
Darcy Fogarty
Jarrod Brander
Matthew Ling
Zac Bailley
Ed Richards
Jack Higgins
Brandon Starcevich
Will Powell - Probably the best performing player of the top 20 at this stage.
Callum Coleman-Jones
Theres your top 20... Average at best, if they are even getting a game (average is pretty good for a second year player really).
Ill pick out the rest of the highlights who may be considered to be bucking the trend:
Oscar Allen
Tim kelly
Noah Balta
Liam Ryan
Charlie Spargo
Bayley Fritsch
Tom McCartin
Charlie Constable
Jack Petrucelle
Charlie Ballard
James Worpel
Oscar Baker
Gryan Miers (would he be doing as well if he was playing at a lesser team?)
The only ones who are doing really well are the mature aged players or the blokes who debuted this year.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-12-01/2017-draft-revisited-how-have-your-clubs-players-fared-
The write up on Paddy's debut season:
Pick 3: Paddy Dow
Played 20 games and surpassed plenty of expectations with his craft at stoppages, particularly out of the centre. Was thrown into the deep end in a light Carlton midfield, but held his own. His ball-winning abilities will improve with time, but he showed he has the nous to be a prolific onballer at AFL level. Could be a star of the future.
Playing him in the centre early hasnt been a mistake. Keeping him there whilst he was struggling to impact may be viewed as an error.
So who on that list has been in the guts week in, week out? (noting recent weeks he's been playing forward)
You've just made my argument. cheers!
He struggled in the JLT so not surprised he's been patchy. I believe he hired a kicking coach early in the year as well to rectify technical issues. If anything he might be over doing it.
Tim Kelly...maybe bucking the trend??....probably a fair chance for the brownlow :)
Aaron Naughton...wouldnt mind him on our list, ask Jacob Weitering how hard it is to play both ends of the ground in a carp team.
Liam Ryan is a premiership player..
Interesting player is Davies Uniacke and probably more relevant given he was in the mix for us, really struggled at North.
Gets caught holding the ball a lot, kicking like Dow has been average but has played a lot of VFL footy unlike Dow.
Dow isnt a coalface onballer yet, Liam Stocker is that type of player......Trent Cotchin took a long time before he was adept at
being a contested player who could survive at the coalface and had to change his game style, I think Dow will be the same.
Northern Blues
B: 51. A. Johnson, 26. H. Macreadie, 19. A. Schumacher
HB: 46. M. Cottrell, 37. B. Silvagni, 57. E. Penrith
C: 55. J. O'Rourke, 75. F. Anderson, 13. L. Stocker
HF: 2. P. Dow, 32. A. Fasolo, 21. J. Garlett
F: 42. K. LeBois, 53. J. Palmer, 44. M. Owies
R: 12. T. De Koning, 69. S. Fisher, 29. C. Polson
Int: 77. M. Blakey, 60. J. Hill, 80. K. Keppel, 27. M. Lobbe, 64. J. Lynch, 52. M. Stavrou, 66. G. Strachan, 72. N. Wheeler
23P: 70. K. Quirk
In: G. Strachan, K. Quirk, J. Lynch, J. Hill, K. Keppel, N. Wheeler,
P. Dow, J. Garlett
Out: J. Velissaris, A. Phillips, J. Walters, F. O'Dwyer
Kye Quirk is the grandson of Brian Quirk. This is his first game.
North Melbourne
B: 36. J. Crocker, 23. B. McKay, 40. T. Murphy
HB: 35. D. Watson, 1. M. Daw, 19. S. Wright
C: 61. C. Jansen, 59. N. Holmes, 53. T. Leonardis
HF: 45. R. Murphy, 56. B. Whitecross, 31. C. Taylor
F: 46. L. Hosie, 38. T. Xerri, 41. T. Wilkinson
R: 42. T. Campbell, 52. N. Rippon, 72. D. Robinson
Int: 64. L. Cunningham, 75. C. Hodges, 51. T. Hotchin, 74. B. McLaughlin, 68. Q. Montanaro, 57. A. Morgan, 79. R. Morrison, 55. M. Rodd
23P: 77. R. Verbi
In: T. Hotchin, Q. Montanaro, R. Verbi, M. Rodd, B. Whitecross, L. Cunningham,
A. Morgan
Out: L. Davies - Uniacke, L. Davis, P. Ahern
We beat this mob earlier in the year, but we have a midfield then. Do we have enough of one now?
So who on that list has been in the guts week in, week out? (noting recent weeks he's been playing forward)
You've just made my argument. cheers!
Actually I haven't.
Paddy dow's time on ground percentages are in the 70's with the odd outlier being in the 80's and 60's.
Sam Walsh's are in the 80's.
SPS are in the 80's and 90's.
Zach Fisher's are in the 80's.
They all take their turn in the middle.
Why is Dow the only one being smashed??
Stocker looks a class above.
PS; 2nd half, leading 88-34, Stocker still looks a class above, so clean, great ball user.
Stocker looks a class above.
PS; 2nd half, leading 88-34, Stocker still looks a class above, so clean, great ball user.
He looks a class above because he is a class above. So happy we got him and I don't care what Adelaide get in return.
Great win 136 - 61, kids looking good, Stocker, Owies, Cottrell for a good half.
Great win 136 - 61, kids looking good, Stocker, Owies, Cottrell for a good half.
Wow. That's a real shellacking. Well done boys.
Wow. That's a real shellacking. Well done boys.
Great win at "The G", Stocker is dominant at VFL!
Great win at "The G", Stocker is dominant at VFL!
Yes, good day for the boys.
North Melbourne: 2.2-14 5.4-34 7.8-50 8.13-61
Northern Blues: 6.2-38 13.4-82 17.8-110 21.10-136
Northern Blues
Goal Kickers: M. Owies 4, J. Palmer 4, A. Fasolo 3, F. Anderson 2, C. Polson 2, L. Stocker, M. Lobbe, K. Keppel, S. Fisher, K. LeBois, J. Garlett
Best Players: F. Anderson, S. Fisher, M. Cottrell, G. Strachan, A. Fasolo, M. Owies
North Melbourne
Goal Kickers: L. Hosie 2, T. Campbell, N. Rippon, L. Cunningham, C. Jansen, D. Robinson, C. Taylor
Best Players: D. Robinson, N. Rippon, C. Hodges, L. Hosie, R. Morrison, T. Campbell
@ Crash
Could it be the Faz is coming good??
Could be. He has improved his work rate and his form is barely recognizable compared to how he was playing early in the year. He might even be worth a senior game soon.
He looks a class above because he is a class above. So happy we got him and I don't care what Adelaide get in return.
Perfect. Hope he gets a couple of games in the seniors. That should give him an appreciation of the standard to work on for 2020.
Stocker will be busting his chops to get a game in the 1s. He's got that fierce competitive edge and will want to be a part of what is happening. I agree with everyone who says we have already won with the trade. Looks like we got a gun, and we got him a year early in effect.
Anyone who doubts what SoS has done (in totality) might need to reconsider. There's a few blokes in the 2s developing nicely. We have some ammo (picks to trade) to target 1 or 2 specific mature players. The blokes in the seniors all look like good players. It will be very competitive for spots next year.
@ Crash
Could it be the Faz is coming good??
He's putting us in a difficult spot.
I reckon he was odds on to be delisted only a month ago. Now?
Tricky part comes because if we want to keep the latter additions of Gibbons, Cottrell and DeLuca, then we still have to delist 3 others from our list. NOT including Pickett and Bugg who both retired.
He's putting us in a difficult spot.
I reckon he was odds on to be delisted only a month ago. Now?
Tricky part comes because if we want to keep the latter additions of Gibbons, Cottrell and DeLuca, then we still have to delist 3 others from our list. NOT including Pickett and Bugg who both retired.
He's had a year to prove himself and is old enough to know the standard required and couldn't make the grade this year when we desperately needed a smart small forward, gone at the end of the year.
Dump Fasolo, no question. He has no future at Carlton
Dump Fasolo, no question. He has no future at Carlton
Is he contracted?
Congratulations to the NB'S.
Super win. Great to see they kept the pedal to the metal.
Dump Fasolo, no question. He has no future at Carlton
Agree, nice bloke is Fazzy but is really only NB's material and a player like Owies needs to be developed and get game time ahead of him
to build our depth for the future.
Not convinced on Lang either, like to see him play well when the team isnt going so well and kicks are not so easy to get but at the moment he is ahead of
Fasalo and is doing enough to stay in the team.
Well anyone is pretty much a better option than Dow presently.
Stocker impressed the track watchers but didn't make the best.
Did Cunners play? How'd he go.
He'd be one i'd want back in the 1's pretty quickly
Stocker impressed the track watchers but didn't make the best.
He didn't get enough of it to get the votes, and looked a bit in need of the run.
But what he did was silk, he had a couple of SPS / Setterfield on the run style pickups in traffic that resulted in goals.
Did Cunners play? How'd he go.
He'd be one i'd want back in the 1's pretty quickly
No, not sighted, must have been watching the 1s!
Fisher and Cunningham would need to force their way back in you're think. McG whenever he's ready and Stocker needs AFL games.
He didn't get enough of it to get the votes, and looked a bit in need of the run.
But what he did was silk, he had a couple of SPS / Setterfield on the run style pickups in traffic that resulted in goals.
No, not sighted, must have been watching the 1s!
I spotted him and Kerr ponsford stand end on saturday. Both dressed in suits. Kerr is batting out of his league. ;)