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Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 In Game Angst Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #45 –
Harry's 200th goal. Well done young man.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 In Game Angst Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #46 –
Earlier today there was talk about us needing to make 10-15 cuts to our list.

Wonder if those same people are thinking the same now.

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Reply #47 –
Quote from Pav.
"He's on track for the most hitouts in a game, Sean Darcy, but it hasn't been to advantage or it hasn't advantaged the Dockers."

Couldn't have said it better myself Pav.

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Reply #48 –
Looking for 10+ possessions from George H in this last quarter, pace out of it and he's fresh.

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Reply #49 –
Who are the 23 out there and what have you done with Carlton?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 In Game Angst Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #50 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Quote from Pav.
"He's on track for the most hitouts in a game, Sean Darcy, but it hasn't been to advantage or it hasn't advantaged the Dockers."

Couldn't have said it better myself Pav.

There are a few schools of thought here.

1. Our midfield dominance makes a ruckman's work (my contention) look good or bad.

2.  Hitouts don't matter (I dont think this is the case, but they don't matter if your midfield is incapable of capitalising on it).

3. It's difficult to measure ruckman capability based purely on what we see on game day (this is true).

What we are currently seeing is that the ruck conversation at our footy club is shaped as much by the performance of our midfielders as it is the person contesting the ruck, and ergo its hard to draw meaningful data about our rucks as a result based on what our games dish up.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 In Game Angst Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #51 –
Hit outs don't matter. Pittonet is more useless than I thought.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #52 –
Speed is the difference now
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
There are a few schools of thought here.

1. Our midfield dominance makes a ruckman's work (my contention) look good or bad.

2.  Hitouts don't matter (I dont think this is the case, but they don't matter if your midfield is incapable of capitalising on it).

3. It's difficult to measure ruckman capability based purely on what we see on game day (this is true).

What we are currently seeing is that the ruck conversation at our footy club is shaped as much by the performance of our midfielders as it is the person contesting the ruck, and ergo its hard to draw meaningful data about our rucks as a result based on what our games dish up.

1. In part, yes.

2. Yes and no. Hitouts themselves don't matter. Hitouts to advantage matter. Who cares who touches the ball first. It only matter if you can touch it and get it to your teammates.

3. There are 2 parts of the ruck conversation.
a) Ruck contests - Hitouts/Hitouts to advantage
b) Work around the ground that is not in ruck contests.

My contention has been that If you have a ruck who is good at 'a', then your backup needs to be good at 'b' because there is limited influence the 2nd ruck can have on 'a'. As long as your backup ruck can neutralise 'a', and make a influence with 'b'.

We are seeing all of the above today.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 In Game Angst Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #54 –
Young has done ok today. Don't care what Kruddler's phantom HTA stats say.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #55 –
Darcy 20 hitouts to advantage with 4 minutes to go.
I said that would be the minimum he'd need, and he's done the bare minimum.
Clearly, hasn't helped hid mids too much in the process.

Just like last week vs the Hawks.
Our rucks were dominated 'hitouts wise' but essentially won the contest because we neutralised a significant advantage and beat them around the ground.

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Reply #56 –
3 wins in a row. 3 games where we cracked or come close to the ton, 3 games won by basically 10 goals. Let’s enjoy this purple patch before the storm clouds (once again) start darkening the horizon.

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Reply #57 –
Quote from: PaulP on
3 wins in a row. 3 games where we cracked or come close to the ton, 3 games won by basically 10 goals. Let’s enjoy this purple patch before the storm clouds (once again) start darkening the horizon.

For the rest of the year, we play 3 of the top 4 (PA, Coll, Melb), but the other 4 games are winnable, with only St. Kilda currently in the 8 from that 4 (GWS, GC, WC)

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Reply #58 –
Shame about Chugga, thought he was mighty today. Saying ACL which is not good.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #59 –
Gaining more confidence as the 'hunters;' the pressure initiators. Great win, Bluebaggers.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17