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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #135
I am amazed we have supporters who would even consider this. Finals are right there - we are 1 game out and we're talking about putting the individual ahead of the entire point of the club as a whole?

Make finals. Or play 17 vs. 18 because we want to limp a guy to a meaningless milestone. It's an amazing achievement to play 297 games the same as it is to play 300. Why does anyone care? Murphy himself would be embarrassed for all eternity if his 299th game he cost us finals.
Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #136
Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.

Yes, I generally agree. I can't believe even for a second that Murphy would be the difference between finals and no finals.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #137
Yes, I generally agree. I can't believe even for a second that Murphy would be the difference between finals and no finals.
He was on the ground for 1/2 the time Owies was, kicked a goal, (Owies didn't kick any) and got 2 possessions less (4 to  6). Just saying.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #138
He was on the ground for 1/2 the time Owies was, kicked a goal, (Owies didn't kick any) and got 2 possessions less (4 to  6). Just saying.

I've heard Wayne Carey and Ross Lyon say they really rate Murphy. He's up to 298 games now. They don't even have to play him in one of the three remaining ones. The Murphy haters won't have to see him after this season regardless. Get him to 300, and then both the pro and anti Murphy crowd can have a win. He's had very little to show for 16 years of service, and one has to wonder if others that take his spot really offer much more.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #139
I've heard Wayne Carey and Ross Lyon say they really rate Murphy. He's up to 298 games now. They don't even have to play him in one of the three remaining ones. The Murphy haters won't have to see him after this season regardless. Get him to 300, and then both the pro and anti Murphy crowd can have a win. He's had very little to show for 16 years of service, and one has to wonder if others that take his spot really offer much more.
Hard to see any of those proposed replacements playing 300.

When sMurph arrived at Carlton he had as much impact as Walsh, then we basically let Brisbane beat the shizen out of him and wreck his shoulders with little or no retribution.

If we'd had some team success, he'd be talked up as good as Ashman or Sheldon. Deserves 300, and deserves unconditional respect!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #140
Wow! 16,107 odd players have played VFL/AFL football, 95 have made the 300 game milestone. Duds dont play that many and its a significant milestone every players sets out to achieve. He has been a loyal servant of the club and I for one care as would most if not every one of his team mates and coaches. We aren't going to make the 8 IMO.

They certainly don't. No club has left a player on 298 or 299 games. They have been nursed to 300. He deserves it even if he is past his prime. Had the option to go somewhere else before his last contract and chose to stay, showing loyalty to the club. And now the club is showing it to him. Enough said.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #141
The club is always bigger than the individual

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #142
The club is always bigger than the individual

True, but the culture of the club is created by how they treat individuals.  This is enough reason not to sack Teague now to go with getting Murphy to 300 games.

NOTE:  The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals.  There have been a few games that have cost us finals, and getting Murphy to 300 games isnt going to be the only reason we dont make it (even if it is a reason). 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #143
True, but the culture of the club is created by how they treat individuals.  This is enough reason not to sack Teague now to go with getting Murphy to 300 games.

NOTE:  The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals.  There have been a few games that have cost us finals, and getting Murphy to 300 games isnt going to be the only reason we dont make it (even if it is a reason).

Here Here.

 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #144
Our making finals is really totally dependant on others losing, we are unlikely to bridge the percentage gap so ending up on the same number of wins isn't good enough. I think Freo are in prime position.

The other problem is that some of the teams above us that are vying for the last spot play each other, so some of those above are guaranteed one win and excluding Freo they all have better percentages.

If we do a Melbourne and smash GC we might get enough of a percentage boost to put us closer, but I'd assert if we have to us and injury sub in the process it's not going to happen. Plus at this stage are we going to have a ruck?

What do we stand for as a club? The individual or the group? Playing Murphy in spite of his inability to perform just so he can get to 300 is definitely putting the individual before the club given we're sitting 1 win outside the 8 with 3 to play.

That isn't even a question for me. You never want to put the individual before the club. It may mean Murphy cuts up about it but who cares? If he does that just indicates he wasn't much of a person to begin with.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #145
NOTE:  The decisions from now until end of year havent cost us finals.  There have been a few games that have cost us finals 

So don't worry about making finals then. 2021 is done as we lost some games earlier in the year?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #146
They certainly don't. No club has left a player on 298 or 299 games. They have been nursed to 300. He deserves it even if he is past his prime. Had the option to go somewhere else before his last contract and chose to stay, showing loyalty to the club. And now the club is showing it to him. Enough said.

If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #147
If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.

And a reminder to some ... Percy Jones was left stranded on 249 games.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #148
^^ The point being, getting Murphy to 300 games isn't going to cost us finals any more than any other factor this season.


Look, I too am thinking that we should be playing to win every week, but it isnt a zero sum game here, where we play Murphy and we dont give ourselves maximum opportunity to win.  we gifted games to draft picks for years, and now that we have broken Murphy beyond repair, we are wondering if we should get him to 300 games.

perhaps this is what will make the difference to getting Sam Walsh at market rate, than resigning him above market rate.  We do the right things by the players, and they will do the right things by us too. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #149
If Murphy is picked to play in anything other than VFL this weekend it will be a disgrace to this club.
In your opinion, what do you think his team mates think? Axe him now or get him over the line?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time