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Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #75
Thanks people,  sounds like another kid with potential who needs time and some preseason continuity.   I like his pace and mobility and he seems to have a bit of sh1t in him, which we so desperately need.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #76
Thanks people,  sounds like another kid with potential who needs time and some preseason continuity.   I like his pace and mobility and he seems to have a bit of sh1t in him, which we so desperately need.

Yes, he has an upside with potential, but he is miles away from being AFL standard, not unlike SoJ.

Last night Harry was easily man handled by players much smaller and lighter than him, but he's got Casboult as a mentor so what should we expect!
The Force Awakens!

 

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #77
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I though the biggest positive last night was SPS, when the sh1t hit the fan he actually looked like he wanted to do something about it! But it's hard to have any effect when you are on your own! Another good positive was Cripps marking, but we have to keep in mind the Aints are a small side.

Based on what I can see, our current three amigos are shameless impostors compared to their predecessors. I'm hoping it's just injuries, lack of game time etc. and not some inherent, unfixable issue.

And Cripps is in real danger of becoming our next Judd. At least Bolton has publicly flagged this and has indicated that he needs help. 

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #78
So you watch him run out of legs and wonder why he isn't playing? That is the reason he isn't playing, and it's allegedly related to a work ethic issue.

There are other reasons, he has missed pre-seasons and games due to injury, also I believe the club is managing his fatigue levels due to a dose of glandular fever last season exactly like they did Charlie. But in comparison to Charlie, who we realise is elite, McKay allegedly hasn't shown the same work ethic to catch up.

As for that pump up about his run, it's KPP bullcrap, every small and medium forward on our list can probably outrun Carlilse for a ground ball. A 200cm x 100kg player is not out there to be a rover, it's a losing tactic!

There it is, an uncomfortable truth, fans prefer to bash Jones, Weitering, Plowman or Marchbank than call out the guys who kick an occasional soft goal! and otherwise do feck all!

I though the biggest positive last night was SPS, when the sh1t hit the fan he actually looked like he wanted to do something about it! But it's hard to have any effect when you are on your own! Another good positive was Cripps marking, but we have to keep in mind the Aints are a small side.

He was cooked because he had to play ruck but for all that he kept going and ended up with 14 possessions.

The solution to him lacking fitness is not sitting him in the stands.

I didn't bake Marchbank or Plowman. Ever.

SPS has been one of the biggest disappointments for me this year. Glad to see him get 20 post last night. I'd like to see him up with Fisher in terms of development - who I think is going to be a gun.

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #79
Based on what I can see, our current three amigos are shameless impostors compared to their predecessors. I'm hoping it's just injuries, lack of game time etc. and not some inherent, unfixable issue.

And Cripps is in real danger of becoming our next Judd. At least Bolton has publicly flagged this and has indicated that he needs help.

SPS was far better than last night, you are being unreasonable.

If you want to point a finger specifically from last night's game have a look at Dow, O'Brien, Pickett, Garlett, Shaw, Polson, Marchbank and Silvagni. They were collectively crap.
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #80
I'd like to see the sales figures for them.  I imagine they'd be miserable.  The AFL have no idea how the traditional jumpers of all clubs unite and incite supporters.  None.

Ah the classic jumper debate.

I don't have an aversion to the alternative strips.

I certainly don't have such a distaste that most seem to.

I do know that every single jumper that comes out has those in favour of it, and those against it.

For the record, i think this jumper was greeted with the most amount of acceptance over previous versions.
I also think jumper sales would not be a good indication, as i don't think many people are buying much Carlton merch at present, regardless of what it looks like.

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #81
SPS was far better than last night, you are being unreasonable.

If you want to point a finger specifically from last night's game have a look at Dow, O'Brien, Pickett, Garlett, Shaw, Polson, Marchbank and Silvagni. They were collectively crap.

I thought he was average last night.

I thought Dow and O'Brien were ok.

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #82
The current clash jumper is terrible. It's trying to be white, but our players live in some Dickensian Northern English industrial town, and so they look permanently grey and grubby. 

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #83
Based on what I can see, our current three amigos are shameless impostors compared to their predecessors. I'm hoping it's just injuries, lack of game time etc. and not some inherent, unfixable issue.

And Cripps is in real danger of becoming our next Judd. At least Bolton has publicly flagged this and has indicated that he needs help.

Dow, Fisher, SPS, Cunningham, Polson, Doc, Kennedy, Lang, O'Brien and 2018 #1 pick.

There have got to be another 2 or 3 Cripps level players from this group.

We won't get them from other clubs.

Dow and Fisher look like future 30+ per week midfielders to me.

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #84
He was cooked because he had to play ruck but for all that he kept going and ended up with 14 possessions.

The solution to him lacking fitness is not sitting him in the stands.

It's rubbish excuse, Jones, Rowe and Charlie also rucked and then returned to their primary positions, they didn't spend time walking around inside the centre square! FFS, Hickey run off him, where the feck was McKay's famous pace when he was required to defend?

As for sitting in the stand last week, what's the club supposed to do, go hunting for a game in the NEAFL given the VFL had a bye!

I'm happy for him to get a game if he earns it, if he hasn't earned it we are setting a dangerous precedent, and we can just accept crap like last night, a 200cm x 100kg rover!

Have you ever considered that our teams apparent lack of passion, cohesion and commitment might be a result of certain players getting games when they do not deserve it?

I didn't bake Marchbank or Plowman. Ever.
A comment lacking context for what I posted, I didn't accuse you of anything!

SPS has been one of the biggest disappointments for me this year. Glad to see him get 20 post last night. I'd like to see him up with Fisher in terms of development - who I think is going to be a gun.
True, but not every kid grows at the same rate, as long as they are all making an effort that is all we can ask!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #85
There have got to be another 2 or 3 Cripps level players from this group.

There won't be another 2 or 3 Cripps level players in the whole league, it's not realistic!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #86
I thought Dow and O'Brien were ok.

I thought they weren't, this week they were playing against some opposition that had less game experience than them!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #87
Ah the classic jumper debate.

I don't have an aversion to the alternative strips.

I certainly don't have such a distaste that most seem to.

I do know that every single jumper that comes out has those in favour of it, and those against it.

For the record, i think this jumper was greeted with the most amount of acceptance over previous versions.
I also think jumper sales would not be a good indication, as i don't think many people are buying much Carlton merch at present, regardless of what it looks like.

The subjective "Most", as reported but it is not reality, most of the posters the Hun quote are not even Carlton supporters, so they base there argument on opposition fans hating the Carlton jumper!

No doubt about that, why the focus on this jumper?

We know this jumper was preferred by many Carlton fans, just from our very own forums feedback.

Three facts that won't suit the media's position so you won't hear it reported, someone from our club has to find the balls to take some media heat or we are going to go extinct!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #88
It's rubbish excuse, Jones, Rowe and Charlie also rucked and then returned to their primary positions, they didn't spend time walking around inside the centre square! FFS, Hickey run off him, where the feck was McKay's famous pace when he was required to defend?

As for sitting in the stand last week, what's the club supposed to do, go hunting for a game in the NEAFL given the VFL had a bye!

I'm happy for him to get a game if he earns it, if he hasn't earned it we are setting a dangerous precedent, and we can just accept crap like last night, a 200cm x 100kg rover!

Have you ever considered that our teams apparent lack of passion, cohesion and commitment might be a result of certain players getting games when they do not deserve it?
A comment lacking context for what I posted, I didn't accuse you of anything!
True, but not every kid grows at the same rate, as long as they are all making an effort that is all we can ask!

Harry was pretty good last night. He just needs more and more games.

I thought Dow looked really dangerous last night but had a really fumbly game. Kennedy could have finished with 3 goals. Cripps burned him when 40m out straight in front on his own and marked 12m out straight in front waved play on by the umps who had a shocker.

Small positives from a horror show.

Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #89
I thought Jones had an positive in the ruck, was OK around the ground, and his 2nd efforts get a result for us even though he loses the centre tap. Took a couple of defensive marks while rucking which seemed to get him back on track defensively, letting him get mobile had at least as much benefit for him as it does Levi.

Next week, I'd give Kreuzer a rest, bring Weitering back in as the KPD, and play Jones in the ruck and around the ground far more than we have previously. Hawthorn have lost Big Boy, they are as weak in the ruck as any team in the comp, they will need to ruck Roughead with Ceglar, and Jones could be quite effective as he can keep pace with Roughead!

McKay will get slaughtered by Roughead, because as soon as the teams spread from the stoppage Roughead will be pushing solo inside F50 and McKay will be watching it happen from 20m away!
The Force Awakens!