I find the idea that Malthouse was/is considered a zealot of club culture ludicrous...he had different rules for different players at Collingwood and had clear barriers develop between his younger and older players.
...yet none of this is relevant to his time at Carlton.
Do you disagree that he had a large part in shaping the list?
Kruddler is spot on. Mick actually started the "reset".
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
I've always been of the opinion that our players have been our major issue. Time and time again their lack of effort and dedication has seen our coaches sacked.
People have been calling Gibbs soft and lazy since he started. Looks disinterested and goes missing too often. He has been one of our leaders at the club, even since the Pagan days. What kind of role model has he been?
Murphy voted in as captain is another questionable choice. Supposedly the club made the call on that one, not the coach - who if rumours are correct, wanted Carrazzo as captain (or was it Simpson?). In any result, Murphy would've been my 3rd choice. I think this stunt by the club was good for marketing, not for the team.
-Waite as our key forward who gets suspended for stupid things each and every year, tried chasing money/years despite having a failing body. Bye. -Laidler was a solid player who didn't want to add another string to his bow to help him get more game time, cracked the sads mid-season, publicly. See ya later. -Henderson was a bloke who had a lot of potential, but lost his internal drive and commitment and put in some of the worst performances in final year. Checked out mentally too often. See ya later. -Yarran had about as much talent as anyone, but playing football seemed to become his second priority. Clearly evident since his departure from AFL altogether. -Betts by his own admission was doing the wrong things. He needed a change of scenery to get himself out of the rut he was in. -Robbo couldn't adjust to the public life of a professional footballer and found himself in trouble repeatedly. So much so that he was almost lost to the AFL altogether. Lions gave him a late second chance. -Garlett seemed to lose his internal drive that saw him come from sleeping in his car to an AFL rookie playing in his first year. Off-field issues hurt his football which included lying to his club and teammates.
There was also a clear shift in the type of players we were drafting. I think one year we drafted 4 or so players who were captains of their respective teams. Nick Graham year from memory. There are other examples of players who were kept over others who were delisted which fits the above narrative.
When Malthouse got to the club, i wanted him to go through the place with a broom and weed out the players who didn't want to be there. In his time in charge he got rid of half the list and started shaping it into a list that had the right character on it. Unfortunately that meant we lost a large amount of talent along with it....and the trigger happy Carlton folk couldn't wait to pull the trigger. The external pressure was too great. He'd lost the media, and that led to a loss of support from everyone at Carlton from supporters to the board. At the end of the day he didn't do himself any favours in that regard and he had to go. No issue here.
But still....the groundwork had been done. White and Armfield types were regulars who, unlike Laidler, were willing to play wherever was best for the team and were doing their role well. This continues to this day and Bolton has ran with it.
No issues with what Bolton has done in terms of leadership, but he was clearly giving a head start with what Malthouse had done.
I think the key to this is the "leadership density" that Bolton talks about. We had a leadership program through Leading Teams in Ratten's time then nothing under Malthouse. Bolton poached Anthony Klarica to run an in-house leadership program and that suggests a much greater focus on leadership development than we've ever had. Blokes who may never have aspired to anything more than getting a game will be discovering that they can lead.
Rather than the current leadership group sending messages, potential and up and coming leaders will be encouraged to send their own demands for leadership roles.
Apart from developing our future leaders, our leadership program and greater "leadership density" will ensure that the playing and coaching groups will have a much better understanding of what makes a good leader and will be picking the most able blokes to lead the club.
A bit of balance to the above statement.
Leading teams was the bees knees once upon a time. About the same time Malthouse took over leading teams was getting a bad rep as it was seen as some kind of sanctioned bullying and all the millenials had to be treated with kid gloves. So they got the flick. At the same time though, Malthouse weeded out a lot of players who took up more than their fair share of coaching time. That is, players who were all about themselves and didn't want to put in the hard yards. This is when blokes like Ellard were kept, but blokes like the outspoken McLean, were not. Obviously the trades were well publicised, but not a single one of them was without some drama either on or off the field - See Yarran as a prime example. Yes, he even brought in a broken Daisy to help in this area. Someone with a past, but someone who is now 100% focused on team football. Bolton takes over and starts with a relatively cleansed list which Malthouse holds the bloody knife. He no longer has to babysit players and can focus on rebuilding with players who want to be there. Army and even White are the prime examples. Had Malthouse chosen the Pagan 'talent 1st' approach, i suspect Army/White would've got the flick and Yarran would still be our problem.
Bolton has done well with what he took over. He hasn't to make any hard calls on any players yet. It's all been pretty smooth sailing in that regard.
Gun to head ?........Where did I say that Kruds ? Don't go putting words in others mouths just to make your own point look more salient. The considerable resources of the AFL and it's pet media organisations are making the "choice" of sportswomen one based on money & media coverage. And as for writing that the alternatives are"obviously doing something wrong"....what a one eyed point of view. The alternatives don't have the same massive financial resources to throw around & are not given priority media, including prime time TV, coverage.
'Doing something wrong' could simply mean their sport is not as fun to watch and play. If people like doing it, they will. If people like watching it, they will. If they get paid for it, bonus.
It is survival of the fittest.
If people don't like watching it, or playing it as much as another sport, why should we bend over backwards for the other sport if it holds little interest for people?
If you think this is JUST about money, i point you to the XFL. You might say "what?!" and i say exactly.
The XFL was a rival to the NFL (american football) started by multimillionaire and owner of the WWE Vince McMahon.
He through absolutely ludicrous amounts of money at this league to get it up and running. (100mil in early 2000's)
Very similar game, changed some rules to make it more tv friendly/appealing. eg skycam.
Went bust.
Ultimately, the game was just not as good. It wasnt about the money.
Carlton Football Club has finalised its on-field leadership structure for 2017, with captain Marc Murphy to again steer a seven-man leadership group.
Veteran defender Kade Simpson has been named vice-captain for the third year overall, while 30-year-old Dennis Armfield comes into the group for the first time since his debut in 2008 for Carlton.
Patrick Cripps, Sam Docherty, Bryce Gibbs and Ed Curnow round out the Blues’ leadership group, who were elected by their peers on Tuesday.
If it's a democracy, then the majority must rule. If 90% of the US population live in Alabama, or California, then so be it. Trying to doctor a system that evens the score because some states will be ignored leads to results like this one. You either get penalized because you're too small, or you get penalized because you're too big.
If politicians weren't so crap, those in power would make decisions that benefit the entire country, including smaller states, and not simply decisions that appeal to their particular constituents.
Far be it from me to try and explain politics but isnt the system largely similar to what we have here? That is, you vote at council/geographical level and most votes in each section wins the section....and most sections wins overall. Some sections are smaller due to having more voters.
If there are 10 sections and 9 win by a single vote (say x) and the other one wins by 10,000 votes (say y). X wins 9 out 10. Y gets more overall votes but wins only 1/10 sections.
Typical AFL, trying to kill off any competing sports while trying to look like they are doing a wonderful thing for women.
So they are putting a gun to the womens head are they?
They will play whatever they want to play. If the AFLW is a more attractive option than the alternatives, then the alternatives are obviously doing something wrong by comparison.
Name it after the woman who has done more for Carlton than any other!
The Rita Silvagni Medal
(is that a bit sexist )
The idea would be to name it after a prominent woman player...my suggestion would be to leave it nameless for this season and name it after our first B&F winner.
Was going to suggest the same thing....and tentatively call it the Vescio medal as she just picked up 3 votes.
I haven't watched the whole fight but I have seen the first round several times. The referee clearly made a blunder in not telling the fighters to break before grabbing Green. Green understandably dropped his guard but remained fair game for Mundine and it was a legal blow.
The rules don't really cover a referee's error but, at a stretch, Mundine's blow could have been considered an unintentional foul and the fight declared a no contest; a popular outcome for all concerned
Mundine has been in enough boxing matches to know that he shouldn't have thrown that punch. You could argue technicalities and you might give him the benefit of the doubt if you're feeling very generous and its xmas day.
However, the fact Mundine was warned, repeatedly, for hitting Green in the back of the head (and seemingly not giving 2 hoots) and then highlighting that Green brushed him behind the ear moments later (far from what he was admonished for) shows the mindset of Mundine. That is, fight dirty and try and get inside Greens head.
I think the judges saw it the same way. Mundines dirty tactics were not appreciated by Green, the fans and the judges.
So back to the actual fight. From what i saw, Green was in charge early. Mundine was playing the patient game, figuring he'd have the fitness to come over the top later. Although he was indeed in better condition at the end, i don't think he really dominated like he should have.
To me the whole thing looked like 10 rounds of rope a dope, except the counterattack never actually came.
IMO Green was doing the majority of the attacking and Mundine was constantly looking for the counterpunch, but never pulled the trigger.
I've got no problem giving the fight to Green because he was the aggressor in a somewhat tame fight.
If our blokes played with the same amount of discipline, pride in the jumper, and support of their teammates, we'd be finals bound without a doubt.
Vescio is possibly the best forward on a carlton list. Jakobsons hands are the equivalent to that of casboults. Arnell and Davey have proven to be very smart choices. Brazzalle and Exon dominated early. Hosking is a footballer who knows how to play the game, be good to see her sister out there with her in the future.
....and Steph showed why she was chosen as Captain for the pies, clearly a step above the majority of her teammates. Played well. Not sure about her fend off with a forearm to the head, or a knee to the face of our player on the ground. I wouldn't say dirty, but straight out of the Juddy playbook. ;-)
Sympathies to you and your family for your loss...congrats on your 2nd child....hope the Navy Blue ladies can get up for your new nipper and start him/her off with a win...
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