Box Hill are 2nd at the moment. We need to beat them this week to make the finals.
Port Melbourne are 3rd and they take on Collingwood. We require Collingwood to lose.
Werribee are below us on percentage. They play the 4th ranked team and have injury worries. We need them to lose as well.
Does it sound likely? I can't say it does. But that is the way it is. We have to beat Box Hill at Box Hill. If we do that we will deserve to be in the finals.
BOX HILL HAWKS v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 19 – 27/08/2017 02:00PM
Box Hill City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 47. C. Sheehan, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 45. M. Blakey
HB: 70. H. Macreadie, 13. C. O’Shea, 3. K. Declase
C: 8. L. Russell, 60. D. Cuningham, 55. L. Sumner
HF: 24. R. Palmer, 16. J. Thorpe, 41. S. Glover
F: 76. K. LeBois, 48. K. Jaksch, 56. A. Gallucci
R: 80. M. Korcheck, 32. N. Graham, 1. T. Wilson
Int: 4. S. Russell, 53. H. Payne, 11. T. Jones, 40. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan, 50. D. Gorringe, 12. Z. Ballard, 20. D. Stevens
23P: 66. D. Costigan
In: H. Payne, T. Jones, Z. Ballard, S. Glover, M. Stavrou
Out: D. Buckley
Losing Buckley hurts. However, no Carlton listed players coming in is ominous. We still look weak in the ruck, but both Korchek and Gorringe have been playing better recently. Whether they can play well enough, well, that is another question.
Box Hill Hawks
B: 5. M. Warren, 1. D. Mirra, 13. N. Evans
HB: 10. W. Hams, 34. K. Heatherley, 23. J. Walker
C: 7. A. Brolic, 41. O. Hanrahan, 3. W. Murphy
HF: 40. K. Stewart, 12. C. Jones, 63. J. O’Rourke
F: 42. T. Miles, 62. C. Nash, 21. J. Fisher
R: 72. M. Pittonet, 61. B. Whitecross, 2. A. Moore
Int: 29. S. Gibson, 4. M. O’Donnell, 28. L. Cox, 45. N. Lane, 17. A. Kennedy, 8. A. Bond, 11. B. Kilpatrick, 51. V. Adduci
23P: 49. L. Walker
In: B. Kilpatrick, A. Kennedy, M. Pittonet, J. Fisher, W. Hams, A. Bond, L. Cox, S. Gibson, V. Adduci
Out: C. O’Sullivan, H. Morrison, S. Switkowski, T. Vickery, D. Willsmore
Box Hill DO have some significant outs. Vickery kicked 4 goals against us last time.
BOX HILL HAWKS v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 19 – 27/08/2017 11:00AM
Box Hill City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 64. J. O’Brien, 75. J. Rafferty, 22. C. McCabe
HB: 4. S. Russell, 40. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan
C: 57. F. Pearce, 12. Z. Ballard, 23. C. Adams
HF: 53. H. Payne, 63. R. Maibaum, 54. M. Romero
F: 9. J. Corboy, 17. S. Peet, 52. S. Fowler
R: 30. S. Bolger, 20. D. Stevens, 11. T. Jones
Int: 61. M. Burt, 38. B. Malual, 33. M. Dawson, 79. J. Duscher, 46. J. Bradley, 71. D. Costanzo, 69. M. Gleeson, 78. M. Walson, 44. W. Krithararis
In: G. Strachan, D. Costanzo, S. Russell, J. Duscher, D. Stevens
Out: S. Glover
Box Hill Hawks
B: 45. N. Lane, 29. S. Gibson, 25. J. Firns
HB: 47. H. Burt, 9. B. Evans, 48. S. Parsons
C: 11. B. Kilpatrick, 4. M. O’Donnell, 51. V. Adduci
HF: 16. L. Williams, 33. D. Hehir, 28. L. Cox
F: 22. Z. Monkhorst, 17. A. Kennedy, 3. W. Murphy
R: 58. M. Knoll, 8. A. Bond, 15. X. Dimasi
Int: 18. L. Jeffs, 56. R. Rusan, 54. T. Horne, 46. T. Maloney, 53. T. Castledine, 59. J. McCormack, 50. J. Haynes, 57. T. Davies, 55. T. Jacotine, 52. J. Godwin, 14. M. Traynor
In: M. O’Donnell, A. Kennedy, R. Rusan, B. Evans, N. Lane, J. Firns, J. McCormack, W. Murphy
Out: J. Fisher, W. Hams
The Development Team can also make the finals if they win. Lets hope they can make it!
Collingwood lost today so if we win we make it.
Will be tough but would be great to make it on many fronts.
Does anyone know if there is a stream, it's a little too cold to venture out today?
3WBC (94.1) have it on radio, would love a video though!
Almost went, just to send in reports to everyone but 8 degrees, cold southerly, difficulty parking, occasional showers and the prospect of another hiding... well, all just too much! Not even hot pies would compensate, though, it'd be close! ;) ;D
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AFL Vic Development League 2017
Box Hill Hawks 1.2 4.4 5.5 9.8 (62)
Northern Blues 2.3 5.3 8.7 11.8 (74)
Listening to the live stream... interesting cats b'casting. They think they're funny... about as funny as a bum full of snow.
NBs have the wind in the first qtr.
10 mins in, BHH 1.0.6. NBs 0.1.1
Hope we can will as we might have a few that can go back for the finals including Liam Jones.
Qtr time.
NBs 1.1.7
BHH 3.3.21
Macreadie and Sheehan mentioned as better players for us. Cuningham has touched it once.
We had the wind in the first qtr.
Not sure I can handle much more of the 70s humour from the commentators... :-\
Palmer kicked out solitary goal that qtr.
Gee hope the boys can get some momentum on the score board.
Go Blues
Listening to the live stream... interesting cats b'casting. They think they're funny... about as funny as a bum full of snow.
NBs have the wind in the first qtr.
10 mins in, BHH 1.0.6. NBs 0.1.1
Nice turn of phrase there Baggers; that's a new one for me :)
It sounds like the NBs are up against it.
NBs playing like they want the holidays to start!
NBs playing like they want the holidays to start!
Indeed. No finals for this lot!
Half time.
BHH 9.6.60
NBs 4.2.26
Palmer - 3 goals and apparently our best along with O'Shea.
Half time.
BHH 9.6.60
NBs 4.2.26
Palmer - 3 goals and apparently our best along with O'Shea.
The commentators are calling him Chicken Palmer, it's excruciating.
The commentators are calling him Chicken Palmer, it's excruciating.
Been a long time since I've heard these old, old, old attempts at humour. The, "Smith, of the John variety", as a way of telling us someone's christian name is something I haven't heard since the 70s... and they've said it about 30 times! About as funny as a hat full of @rseholes. Painful.
Commentators, and I use the term very loosely, gave our best as Palmer, O'Shea, Macreadie and Le Bois has been busy.
They mentioned that our blokes who've failed to contribute much included Jaksch, Gorrringe and Sumner. The bye bye brigade.
Finals are well shot.
Glad we've got the wind in the 3rd qtr (sarcasm emoticon).
Progress score:
BHH 12.6.78
NBs 4.3.27
Glad we've got the wind in the 3rd qtr (sarcasm emoticon).
Progress score:
BHH 12.6.78
NBs 4.3.27
If it's a 9 goal wind, we're in with a chance!!!
3/4 qtr time.
BHH 13.8.86
NBs 6.6.42
To add insult to injury, today's loss not only means we miss out on finals but we've failed to take Rottingwood's place in the 8 >:(
Final score.
BHH: 19.13.127
NBs 7.8.50
And the CFC finishes 2017 on a dark low.
No further comment. :(
The end.
We're all done for 2017 now.
Need to revisit the NB's association, not sure playing with those NB's bananas is helping our young players develop...rather a standalone team and pay some better VFL players to cross to us and have a stronger team.
Thanks for the updates Baggers. Today and throughout the season. :)
As for NB's. It was another, dare I say it, another mirror performance to our seniors. How often that happens!
I hope those AFL listed players feel satisfied with their efforts. D day is looming and their fate will soon be revealed.
Did we finish a bit higher on the ladder than last year? That was one of my "signs of progress".
Not sure I can handle much more of the 70s humour from the commentators... :-\
Gave all those who work do hard in community radio to present a genuine service, a really bad name.
Gave all those who work do hard in community radio to present a genuine service, a really bad name.
Although their humour was very, very sad I am grateful that they gave up their time to broadcast the game... better than nothing and saved me a trip to Box Hill to endure another capitulation. You're so right to point out the hard work and great service of folks in community radio. :)
Need to revisit the NB's association, not sure playing with those NB's bananas is helping our young players develop...rather a standalone team and pay some better VFL players to cross to us and have a stronger team.
Agree. I know you and I have been particularly vocal on this fro a number of years now. I hope we go with a stand alone team very soon!
Agree. I know you and I have been particularly vocal on this fro a number of years now. I hope we go with a stand alone team very soon!
This little black duck has also been singing that tune... this compromise with Preston aint working and we definitely need a stand alone VFL team - definitely!
Need to revisit the NB's association, not sure playing with those NB's bananas is helping our young players develop...rather a standalone team and pay some better VFL players to cross to us and have a stronger team.
I have no idea how things are going to work for us or for the other aligned teams: having no Development side guts the whole concept of 'alignment'.
Whatever it is called next year, it WILL be a Carlton team with a few extras.
It means that the AFL have decided to waste all of the work we've put in over the last decade or more.
I think a stand alone team is probably best for Carlton, but I want the choice. We were forced together, granted, but we were together and working about as well as we could.
Thanks for the updates Baggers. Today and throughout the season. :)
As for NB's. It was another, dare I say it, another mirror performance to our seniors. How often that happens!
I hope those AFL listed players feel satisfied with their efforts. D day is looming and their fate will soon be revealed.
Did we finish a bit higher on the ladder than last year? That was one of my "signs of progress".
Yes, thanks to Baggers and all the others who have given us some coverage. I wish I could have been at more games.
The relatively poor performers of today will not be with us next year.
I know Sumner has been told. I don't know about Gorringe or Jaksch, but they will be. And soon. That is disappointing, as I really had hopes for all 3. And it makes the trade with GWS look pretty ordinary.
How is it the box Hill Hawks can make it work but we can't??
Why aren't we investing more into that team??
Because Preston can't attract any decent players and if they do develop anybody they get poached by the likes of Willy's etc.
Considering that the Cannons and the Knights U18's, plus the "Northern League" (the old Diamond Valley e.g. Heidelberg (s), St. Mary's, MacLeod, Reservoir, West Preston-Lakeside, etc etc) and some strong ammo clubs (Banyule, Old Ivanhoe etc) feed into Preston I could never understand why they don't have first-class non-listed talent.
I suspect it's because everybody knows that the set up stank down there (and is probably still on the nose) so you are better off playing elsewhere if you are good enough to play state league.
Carlton needs to spend some coin and get some good second tier talent (such as O'Shea this year) in to kick-start the Preston set up and assist development, as playing with numpties and getting flogged each week isn't going to develop the listed kids.
Because Preston can't attract any decent players and if they do develop anybody they get poached by the likes of Willy's etc.
Considering that the Cannons and the Knights U18's, plus the "Northern League" (the old Diamond Valley e.g. Heidelberg (s), St. Mary's, MacLeod, Reservoir, West Preston-Lakeside, etc etc) and some strong ammo clubs (Banyule, Old Ivanhoe etc) feed into Preston I could never understand why they don't have first-class non-listed talent.
I suspect it's because everybody knows that the set up stank down there (and is probably still on the nose) so you are better off playing elsewhere if you are good enough to play state league.
Carlton needs to spend some coin and get some good second tier talent (such as O'Shea this year) in to kick-start the Preston set up and assist development, as playing with numpties and getting flogged each week isn't going to develop the listed kids.
x10....Been poor since Teague left and core players like Marcon, Lambert, Meese etc moved on and we have struggled to attract talent since....needs more money put into the setup and some hope sold for players to be drafted or rookied....burns me a bit seeing Lambert doing well for Richmond and offered another contract.
How is it the box Hill Hawks can make it work but we can't??
Why aren't we investing more into that team??
Good question Thry!
I think that the "stand alone VFL team" advocates like to forget the success that Hawthorn has had with the former Mustangs.
As others have suggested, part of the solution is putting more money into the NBs. However, another part of the story is promoting the NBs as a possible pathway to AFL for those who weren't drafted. Then there's encouraging retired AFL players to go around again in the VFL. While you don't want "list cloggers" in the VFL, blokes like Dennis Armfield would be ideal role models for both AFL listed and NBs players.
How is it the box Hill Hawks can make it work but we can't??
Why aren't we investing more into that team??
It's a very different setup to the NB partnership, the Dawks basically run Box Hill.
I think the shortfall this season says more about our AFL list depth than it does the formal relationship between Carlton and Preston. Look at our Carlton injury list and put half those guys back into a rotation and NBs would be flying like earlier in the season!
Losing the Dev league will hurt our International Rookie system, but overall I happy with what Fraser has been doing at VFL level.
One thing of note, when the Dawks or Nthmond players are not required for VFL they go back to VAFA or local football to play as the standard of football is well above the Dev league. But I don't see many or any NBs players in the VAFA on a regular basis, were do they go?
It's a very different setup to the NB partnership, the Dawks basically run Box Hill.
I think the shortfall this season says more about our AFL list depth than it does the formal relationship between Carlton and Preston. Look at our Carlton injury list and put half those guys back into a rotation and NBs would be flying like earlier in the season!
Losing the Dev league will hurt our International Rookie system, but overall I happy with what Fraser has been doing at VFL level.
One thing of note, when the Dawks or Nthmond players are not required for VFL they go back to VAFA or local football to play as the standard of football is well above the Dev league. But I don't see many or any NBs players in the VAFA on a regular basis, were do they go?
That's a nice excuse, but it's exactly that, an excuse.
If we wanted to run Preston we could, but given where our AFL team has been in the past there is nothing to say we could get that setup right until recently.
x10....Been poor since Teague left and core players like Marcon, Lambert, Meese etc moved on and we have struggled to attract talent since....needs more money put into the setup and some hope sold for players to be drafted or rookied....burns me a bit seeing Lambert doing well for Richmond and offered another contract.
Teague looked a really good coach. Reckon he could do well with a senior gig somewhere.
Teague looked a really good coach. Reckon he could do well with a senior gig somewhere.
If Barker goes then Teague would be a good replacement IMO...thought he was great at the NB's..
If Barker goes then Teague would be a good replacement IMO...thought he was great at the NB's..
Does that mean you don't rate Fraser? :o
It's only a couple of months ago everyone was raving about how well the NBs were going!
Must we keep hanging coaches whenever injuries decimate our lists, is this Ratten all over again, how about we try building some depth first?
I think we've a pretty good development crew compared to recent seasons, we'd be foolish to dismantle it.
Used to be that if you were at the knights and weren't drafted you went to Preston. That isnt happening ATM.
It's a very different setup to the NB partnership, the Dawks basically run Box Hill.
I think the shortfall this season says more about our AFL list depth than it does the formal relationship between Carlton and Preston. Look at our Carlton injury list and put half those guys back into a rotation and NBs would be flying like earlier in the season!
Losing the Dev league will hurt our International Rookie system, but overall I happy with what Fraser has been doing at VFL level.
One thing of note, when the Dawks or Nthmond players are not required for VFL they go back to VAFA or local football to play as the standard of football is well above the Dev league. But I don't see many or any NBs players in the VAFA on a regular basis, were do they go?
Wasnt aware of the Dawks/Ninthmond set up - how do AFL /VFL listed players (who are getting paid) qualify for the Ammos??
Does that mean you don't rate Fraser? :o
It's only a couple of months ago everyone was raving about how well the NBs were going!
Must we keep hanging coaches whenever injuries decimate our lists, is this Ratten all over again, how about we try building some depth first?
I think we've a pretty good development crew compared to recent seasons, we'd be foolish to dismantle it.
No, EB was talking taking Barker's role if he leaves.