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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Analysis 2024
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2024 Rd 8:   Carlton vs Collingwood
We lost by a kick and should have won, but really didn't play that well.

Trends:
[1]   There were 15 voters this round, which is pretty good for a loss. Traditionally, fewer voters bother when we lose.

[2]   The rating was a 8, which is an C. This is the 2nd time in 2 weeks that we averaged a whole number!

[3]   13 players managed a mention this week, which is only one less than last week. Again, it suggests that a lot of players made a contribution. The difference was that nobody seemed to dominate.

[4]   The average vote this week was 26. This is the second lowest of the year so far.

[5]   5 players managed 100 votes or more this week. This usually indicates a win, but even these 5 voters were not as outstanding as others have been this season.

[6]   Harry McKay was BOG this round with 260 votes . the other 4 100+ vote getters were all around the 160 mark.

[7]   No player managed votes from everyone this week. A number of guys got close, but nobody was so significant that everyone recognized it.

[8]   Not a lot from our younger players, as far as votes so anyway. Cincotta managed a mention, as did Elijah Hollands.

[9]   Our defenders were the main area of vote getting, which suggested that the ball was spending too much time down there.     :'(

Votes:
McKay, Harrison  260
Weitering, Jacob  165
Newman, Nicholas  165
Walsh, Sam  160
Acres, Blake  150
Owies, Matthew  93
Hewett, George  65
de Koning, Tom  50
Pittonet, Marc  45
Cripps, Patrick  33
Hollands, Elijah  5
Young, Lewis  5
Cincotta, Alex  5

Progressive Voting:
Patrick Cripps  1851
Harry McKay 1315
Sam Walsh 1140
Tom de Koning 834
Jacob Weitering  764
George Hewett 743
Charlie Curnow 522
Blake Acres 509
Mitch McGovern 434
Marc Pittonet 381
Adam Saad 310
Nic Newman 278
Matthew Kennedy 234
Adam Cerra 231
Brodie Kemp 206
Matthew Cottrell 144
Jordan Boyd 126
Matthew Owies 108
Zac Williams 85
Elijah Hollands 83
Lachie Fogarty 68
Jack Carroll 64
Lewis Young 60
Oliver Hollands 22
David Cuningham 13
Orazio Fantasia 13
Alex Cincotta 5
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: Lods on
Many found wanting tonight, but the main concerns will be Weitering....
and Walsh

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's hurt that back again.
There was definitely something wrong, and it wasn't just after that heavy bump near the end

Walsh says it's fine...
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1556819/press-conference-sam-walsh?videoId=1556819&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1715999267001&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2S692o719R2BwzJiIDTgEdp2DVZ5Z18U7XeCNjh6MtkZvFbNLbXGEPciE_aem_AU6PvI91aTIAELT32IfpR5U9jqkjWoCdkiK5HhSgqGg6qjsuwGSDY9BhEtwwI2kU6XRjRBNkFu-0eqUWsoulJ3He
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by PaulP -
In some ways Trump is quite unique, in other ways he is properly representative of a growing global trend for leaders as right wing populist, buffoonish caricatures : South America, India, Italy and many others. I would include ScoMo in this as well. The triumph of spectacle and corporate tyranny, extolling the virtues of Neo-liberalism and a non reality based world view.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Professer E -
If Trump wins Ukraine is finished, eastern Europe is in trouble and the knock on effect will promote others to jump the fence and start problems.  I fear for us.   Big enemies and no assistance forthcoming.

Putin is trying to complete Stalin's plans from 1945.  Who thinks the tanks are going to stop at the Moselle next time?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Ukraine is of strategic importance bordering NATO countries, has shared power grids that Russia feed and Putin wants his place in history like other Russian leaders and wants to be a war hero. Russia also have a massive say in world economics via Gas, Oil etc and that affects us all. He wants to reclaim rogue ex Russian states and have the old USSR back together.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
Quote from: Lods on
Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR
The most shocking thing about this is how long it took for mainstream media to realise Putin has no target boundary, he won't stop.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
Trump's charges are real, and he might suffer financial penalties as well, the only thing saving him from the wolves is the fear they have he might again be President and abuse his power to take revenge on them, that's what is broken in the USA political system, it's fairly obvious.

The bulk of the allegations against US officials are fake, made up by huckster lunatics and Russian operatives on social media, if you believe them you are just a pawn in the international game of politics and power. But they don't have to fear the bulk of Trump's competitors including Biden, because they are nobodies and unlike Trump they aren't on the revenge radar.

I laugh at people who seem to think Trump is going to fill pockets full of cash, he will but only his own, and he does that by employing Mexicans and West Indians and 1/2 local wages. He wouldn't stop to piss on an American citizen on fire, he'd probably command the security staff not to waste the water.

There significant irony in Trump boosters accusing Biden of devilish financial deeds, as far as I can tell, Biden is just a milder / moderate version of Trump. At the top end of US politics, they all are mild versions of Trump, because they are all motivated by wealth and power, they just aren't as extreme as Trump!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: Thryleon on
Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?

Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR

There is a pretty good reason why we should be concerned.
There's a good reason why the American response is important...because there may come a time when we need to be concerned about the strength of our own relationship with the USA.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: Lods on
But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
 
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.

The Democrats don't get a free pass though.
If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them.
Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.

In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling.
That would seem an easy choice for us.
Apparently not so for the USA.


Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?

Curious.   My biggest gripe with the usa is its interference in international conflict is rather self serving anyway.

I.e.  Israel in Palestine is their horse being backed so the strong condemnation isn't occurring.   Meanwhile Ukraine falling to Russia is their horse not being backed in favour of a rival so everyone must intervene. 

Ultimately in both cases they don't care about anything but their own interests. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not wax lyrically about one party or the other here and another nation and its rather unrelated geo politics.