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Did Justice Lee come to this conclusion based on his vast experience on the current nightclub/ bar hopping scene?

I think old folk who say things like "One does not
pash"  are completely out of touch with the current climate.

You must have extraordinary powers of observation to determine people’s intent from a couple of seconds of CCTV footage.

And yet eyewitnesses at the nightclub and security at Parliament House gave evidence that clearly contradicts your assessment of Higgins and Lehrmann’s state of sobriety.

Unless you sat through the entire trial and carefully considered every piece of material evidence and every sentence of testimony from Higgins, Lehrmann and all of the witnesses, you’re not really in a position to dispute Justice Lee’s findings.

Of course you can have an opinion, but it’s not worth much in this particular context.

Well I've followed this thread pretty closely and can't find anyone saying, 'One does not pash...' Even in this old bloke's day, we did plenty of 'pashing' at the disco, some times with a few different gals, but that did not signal, 'She wants a r**t.'

But from what you're saying MBB (& 3 Leos), if a person is three sheets to the wind, they're fair game, regardless of what they might say if sober. To moi this is not so much a legal issue but in fact goes far deeper than that... beyond the 'law.'

I must be quaintly old fashioned, but I think not. Simply put, and perhaps it was my upbringing, if a woman is drunk you look after her and protect her from sexual predators. And I have done this, as a young fella (and just as horny as the next) through to present day. In fact I find men who prey on drunk people to be cowardly and predatory. And this attitude is not righteousness (though to a predator it would seem so), it's just common bloody decency and a basic male responsibility. That drunk woman could be your mother, sister or daughter... how would you like the men around her to behave?

Well I've followed this thread pretty closely and can't find anyone saying, 'One does not pash...' Even in this old bloke's day, we did plenty of 'pashing' at the disco, some times with a few different gals, but that did not signal, 'She wants a r**t.'

But from what you're saying MBB (& 3 Leos), if a person is three sheets to the wind, they're fair game, regardless of what they might say if sober. To moi this is not so much a legal issue but in fact goes far deeper than that... beyond the 'law.'

I must be quaintly old fashioned, but I think not. Simply put, and perhaps it was my upbringing, if a woman is drunk you look after her and protect her from sexual predators. And I have done this, as a young fella (and just as horny as the next) through to present day. In fact I find men who prey on drunk people to be cowardly and predatory. And this attitude is not righteousness (though to a predator it would seem so), it's just common bloody decency and a basic male responsibility. That drunk woman could be your mother, sister or daughter... how would you like the men around her to behave?

I think you have misunderstood my position.  I don't believe ms Higgins was anywhere near as inebriated as people are insinuating.  I think she and he ended up doing something that they were dismissed for, and have been in reputation fix mode ever since.  Her way to get around that, was to sling mud somewhere else, it has stuck, because he is a potato and was already covered in dirt.

I think you have misunderstood my position.  I don't believe ms Higgins was anywhere near as inebriated as people are insinuating.  I think she and he ended up doing something that they were dismissed for, and have been in reputation fix mode ever since.  Her way to get around that, was to sling mud somewhere else, it has stuck, because he is a potato and was already covered in dirt.

DJC posts in a General "Discussion" thread about the findings of the trial and then pulls the old "Your opinion is not worth anything".

I'm not sure whether there's a transcript of the Judge's decision online yet, but he addresses all these issues.
(State of inebriation, activity at the bar, the entrance to Parliament). He goes into specific detail as to why he gives weight to some aspects and little weight to others.

Nothing humerous about someone being raped.

So tomorrow, I can walk into a room with my just my boss after hours and a week or so later, say she raped me and that's it? Sweet, might give it a crack and see what I can get. Might even see if I can get Justice Lee oversee proceedings.