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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #30
Nup not for me.  Carrol has done enough to remain, and if the scribes are to be believed, you can expect to see Williamson before Dow.

I like Dow, I respect him immensely and hope he makes it but the acquisition of Cerra is a tell that he might be the next cab off the rank for a trade particularly with what Carroll has shown he can do. 

It makes sense.  Hewett and Cerra fill the holes in a way that he cant, which makes him at best a depth option.  If he is happy to sit around and wait for a chance, he could be the next Cripps, but he is too good to waste his time in the magoos and we will need to churn through those spots on the list to find room for other players eventually. 

Agree on Carroll, good footballer with the right attack on the ball, he stays imo.
The wings have become more important in the modern game and I think Carroll can be a quality player of the future and has more about him than Dow at this stage.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #31
It was interesting watching Dow in the VFL.  He won plenty of the ball and kicked two nice goals early.  However, he didn’t do much else and had little influence on the outcome of the game.

He did go forward and took a nice mark on a lead but missed the shot at goal.  Unless he develops another dimension to his game, Dow is not going to displace anyone from last game’s 22.

Dow could replace Kemp as the sub but there’s no way Carroll goes out for him.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #32
It was interesting watching Dow in the VFL.  He won plenty of the ball and kicked two nice goals early.  However, he didn’t do much else and had little influence on the outcome of the game.

He did go forward and took a nice mark on a lead but missed the shot at goal.  Unless he develops another dimension to his game, Dow is not going to displace anyone from last game’s 22.

Dow could replace Kemp as the sub but there’s no way Carroll goes out for him.
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #33
If it's purely a choice for sub, then Kemp probably gets the nod for no other reason than he could fill a few more different holes than Dow depending on who was getting subbed out. Dow's VFL form has been very consistent but if he's predominantly an inside mid, then he's not getting past the Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra lineup at the moment.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #34
Apart from some time as a lead up forward, Dow is being used as an inside mid.  There’s no wish to change his role and, as Surfy stated, he’s not going to displace any of our five first choice mids.  He’s not going to displace the part time mids either, unless he can become a consistent goal kicker and apply defensive pressure.

Kemp wasn’t prominent in the VFL so Dow could get the sub role despite his lack of versatility.  However, I suspect that Willo may have done enough to get the gig this Sunday.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #35
If it's purely a choice for sub, then Kemp probably gets the nod for no other reason than he could fill a few more different holes than Dow depending on who was getting subbed out. Dow's VFL form has been very consistent but if he's predominantly an inside mid, then he's not getting past the Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra lineup at the moment.

A number of clubs are rolling the dice and putting 'pace' in as the medical sub, banking on the fact that they might be able to whip someone off with a bogus injury in the last quarter and replace them with leg speed. When we have a full list available I think Cottrell will find himself with that specialist role, which he fills very well.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #36
Kemp wasn’t prominent in the VFL so Dow could get the sub role despite his lack of versatility.  However, I suspect that Willo may have done enough to get the gig this Sunday.
That could be right, but it might be weather dependant.

Dow is interesting, he can win a significant volume of inside footy but that is where it seems to end, it was good to see him score but I can't say his field kicking has improved and he had a couple of Barry Crocker disposals. A he is still not laying many tackles, almost like he has been told not to!

Kemp threw himself around, but didn't get too many good outcomes from his efforts. For me this is a no win situation, he's just not a defender no matter how much people want him to be, his game lifts once he can move forward of centre. But the renaissance of Gov and return of Marchbank might doom Kemp because in the short term both have Kemp comfortably covered for disposal, it all depends on time and outlook.
 
Some must be on the trade table at seasons end, it's untenable to keep them all, and that may affect this weeks selections as much as any other issue!
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #37
we must NOT bomb the ball  into f50 they would get back and rebound so quick into coll f50 either degoey or elliot or henry one of those players will play the leading FF with space to lead . We need to hit targets throughout the field that is was tigers did .

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #38
we must NOT bomb the ball  into f50 they would get back and rebound so quick into coll f50 either degoey or elliot or henry one of those players will play the leading FF with space to lead . We need to hit targets throughout the field that is was tigers did .

Our game plan is largely dependant on bringing small forwards into the game around the ground we consistently outnumber the opposition in post clearance. We dont have any leading forwards.

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Reply #39
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Our game plan is largely dependant on bringing small forwards into the game around the ground we consistently outnumber the opposition in post clearance. We dont have any leading forwards.

While bringing the ball to ground is an important part of our game plan, we do have leading forwards and generally manage to honour several leads each game.  Harry leads more than most but Charlie, Jack, Durdin and Owies make many leads too.  Cripps and Kennedy often lead when playing forward and De Koning kicked a nice goal after leading into the pocket against the Swans.

Our swarming small forwards make the opposition defenders very concerned about the ball going to ground and Charlie (in Harry’s absence) gets plenty of frees for holding in marking contests.

Bombing the ball inside 50 may not work but deep entries to a contest where we have created an extra number will generally create a scoring shot.
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Reply #40
Leading forwards are Jack Gunstan and Tim Membrey. Charlie and Harry are stay at home forwards so id TDK when he is forward - Jack is too slow but gets around the ground with smarts.

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Reply #41
Travelling over from WA for the game this weekend.....anyone know by chance if there's a training session at Princess Park on Saturday and, if so, time and if it's open to the public?

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Reply #42
Collingwood's odd have shortened dramatically - started at $3.30, now into $2.48

Punters' money is often a good indicator of where a match sits - although I am hoping this is just a big bunch of Collingwood fanatics having a tonner on the Pies while they are at the TAB for the greyhound races......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #43
Collingwood's odd have shortened dramatically - started at $3.30, now into $2.48

Punters' money is often a good indicator of where a match sits - although I am hoping this is just a big bunch of Collingwood fanatics having a tonner on the Pies while they are at the TAB for the greyhound races......
The Filth fan base are pretty predictable in their optimism, it doesn't take much for them to become Lemmings that are Leaping, I'd be surprised if Joffa hasn't booked a flight back for the weekend!
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Reply #44
The Filth fan base are pretty predictable in their optimism, it doesn't take much for them to become Lemmings that are Leaping, I'd be surprised if Joffa hasn't booked a flight back for the weekend!

Don't think Joffa is will be anywhere near the MCG due to his outstanding unlawful issues that he is facing ATM. Very much person non grata I would say.

Hmm looks like you change your post LP.