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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: Lods on March 08, 2018, 06:46:01 pm

Title: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 08, 2018, 06:46:01 pm
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-03-08/2018-clash-guernsey-revealed

While I'm not a fan of alternate strips...

Probably the best clash jumper I've ever seen proposed was a Silver one with a Navy monogram.
This one is pretty close. Don't mind it at all.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 08, 2018, 06:50:49 pm
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-03-08/2018-clash-guernsey-revealed

While I'm not a fan of alternate strips...

Probably the best clash jumper I've ever seen proposed was a Silver one with a Navy monogram.
This one is pretty close. Don't mind it at all.

That type of shiny, silver synthetic fabric has a 60's Sci-fi vibe to me. I keep thinking of Lost In Space. 

Meh.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 08, 2018, 07:12:47 pm
Like it. Very stylish imo.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 08, 2018, 07:19:29 pm
Like it. Very stylish imo.

x2
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 08, 2018, 07:24:00 pm
Like
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: crashlander on March 08, 2018, 07:40:19 pm
I can't say I'm overly impressed. Grey doesn't really have much to do with Carlton.
My only guess as to why it exists would be to relate to House Stark. :)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 08, 2018, 07:56:01 pm
I can't say I'm overly impressed. Grey doesn't really have much to do with Carlton.
My only guess as to why it exists would be to relate to House Stark. :)

The Boltons were Stark bannermen before they went off the rails.
Maybe Brendon is trying to make up for Uncle Roose and Cousin Ramsay's misdemeanours. ;D
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Navy Maven on March 08, 2018, 08:16:12 pm
I like it, probably our best one yet. Nothing beats our navy blue, but this is ok for a few games per year.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 08, 2018, 08:50:15 pm
I can't say I'm overly impressed. Grey doesn't really have much to do with Carlton.
My only guess as to why it exists would be to relate to House Stark. :)

Right in front and centre is a logo Crash, you may not have seen it, it's dark navy in colour.  ;)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: DJC on March 08, 2018, 09:34:04 pm
I can't say I'm overly impressed. Grey doesn't really have much to do with Carlton.
My only guess as to why it exists would be to relate to House Stark. :)

I'm not sure about that Crash; many Carlton supporters of my vintage will have just a tinge of grey  ;)

I'm afraid that I agree with Kevin Bartlett on the subject of clash jumpers; they're not needed in this age of HD TV.  However, until the AFL comes to its senses, I reckon that I can live with the 2018 clash jumper.  It is the best we've produced so far.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Jack Burton on March 08, 2018, 09:44:01 pm
Like
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LoveNavy on March 08, 2018, 10:14:54 pm
I don't mind it. Anything but baby blue. Mind you I think those baby Blues would look good in spud sacks  8)

Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: jeza on March 08, 2018, 10:36:05 pm
Silver power ranger?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: northernblue on March 08, 2018, 11:47:30 pm
Good to see the royalties flowing in for ya Krudds ????????
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 09, 2018, 08:29:07 am
The silver/grey is clearly the best clash strip we've played in. If we have to have one then this one is as distinctive as our normal jumper so I'll give it a tick.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 09, 2018, 08:45:59 am
Reverse the traditional colours and we have a navy monogram on a white background...but white's a bit of a wimpy colour so we need to darken it up just a little.

That's why this works for me. ;)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 09:11:03 am
Reverse the traditional colours and we have a navy monogram on a white background...but white's a bit of a wimpy colour so we need to darken it up just a little.

That's why this works for me. ;)

This was the best one for mine. The effect of the white was reduced due to the details - navy blue stripe on the shoulders, under the arms on the flanks of the jumper, on the cuffs, navy blue numbers on the back. If you team it with navy shorts and socks, it looks great. Much better than the aliens from Ikon Park.

WARNING WARNING WARNING !

(http://www.insidethemagic.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/lost-in-space-robot-880x320-800x320.jpg)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 09, 2018, 10:07:57 am
60s-70s Sci-fi was the best Sci-fi ;D
60s-70s Carlton was the best Carlton

Back to the Future ;) :D

Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 11:30:18 am
60s-70s Sci-fi was the best Sci-fi ;D
60s-70s Carlton was the best Carlton

Back to the Future ;) :D

Well, if we can get back to that 60's, 70's level of success, they can wear pink tutus for all I care. Actually, I don't mind pink tutus...........
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Baggers on March 09, 2018, 12:44:59 pm
It's a bloody ripper. Best yet. Well done CFC.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 09, 2018, 01:29:42 pm
It's a bloody ripper. Best yet. Well done CFC.

I'm sure we wore a silver type kit for a special match or promo quite a long time ago.

Can anyone clarify because the Blueseum doesn't list it?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 01:47:54 pm
I'm sure we wore a silver type kit for a special match or promo quite a long time ago.

Can anyone clarify because the Blueseum doesn't list it?

The short blurb from Lods' URL link includes the following - make of it what you will :

the clash guernsey is Carlton's first all-grey one in its history, with the bevelled monogram honouring the Club's past.

There's nothing on google images that I could find showing any grey strips.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 09, 2018, 01:51:53 pm
The short blurb from Lods' URL link includes the following - make of it what you will :

Lods post also states this;

Probably the best clash jumper I've ever seen proposed was a Silver one with a Navy monogram.
This one is pretty close. Don't mind it at all.

I'm sure between us we have enough wits left to know this wasn't imagination!

It's a huge omission from the Blueseum, maybe it's a political statement from the curators about their love of the traditional jumper, or their hatred for the silver!

Maybe the club doesn't want fans digging up the old silver jumpers instead of buying new ones! :o
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 01:57:17 pm
Lods post also states this;

I'm sure between us we have enough wits left to know this wasn't imagination!

It's a huge omission from the Blueseum, maybe it's a political statement from the curators about their love of the traditional jumper, or their hatred for the silver!

Maybe the club doesn't want fans digging up the old silver jumpers instead of buying new ones! :o

Yes, you are indeed correct. Must be one of those "blink and you'll miss it" moments. Let's hope it stays out of the public eye forever.

The truth is out there folks.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: tonyo on March 09, 2018, 04:30:56 pm
It's a bloody ripper. Best yet. Well done CFC.
I like the clash jumper as well.

I only hope the team doesn't look like 22 versions of the Tin Man (.....while singing 'If I only had a heart....')
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 04:41:17 pm
I like the clash jumper as well.

I only hope the team doesn't look like 22 versions of the Tin Man (.....while singing 'If I only had a heart....')

Indeed. That design leaves them wide open for some serious sledging IMO.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 09, 2018, 04:46:27 pm
Indeed. That design leaves them wide open for some serious sledging IMO.

If we wear that Rnd 1 we won't have to worry about Riewoldt.

Every time he catches a glimpse of his own image he'll be mesmerized!
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 04:56:06 pm
If we wear that Rnd 1 we won't have to worry about Riewoldt.

Every time he catches a glimpse of his own image he'll be mesmerized!

That might work on a lot of current AFL players.

When REM was conceiving their 4th album, Lifes Rich Pageant, Peter Buck, REM's guitarist, argued vigorously that the word Lifes must have no apostrophe, because in his opinion, there wasn't one great album in the history of rock n roll that used an apostrophe in the title, and his argument prevailed.

I'm putting the following proposition out there - no great sporting team, anywhere on the planet, has ever had a full shiny silver outfit, either as a main or clash / away outfit.

Someone please prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 09, 2018, 05:00:24 pm
Just to clarify......
I cant recall us ever wearing a Silver strip in a match.

Quote
Probably the best clash jumper I've ever seen proposed was a Silver one with a Navy monogram.
This one is pretty close. Don't mind it at all.

The key word here is "proposed"
I did see a mock up of one some years back during a discussion of alternate colours and it was one that I actually liked.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 09, 2018, 05:02:24 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/35/cf/00/35cf00c6ba2a3d012addefbdc8d08b7d.jpg)

Don't know whether Besiktas qualifies as "great" team but they certainly had shiny shirts!  :)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 09, 2018, 05:20:13 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/35/cf/00/35cf00c6ba2a3d012addefbdc8d08b7d.jpg)

Don't know whether Besiktas qualifies as "great" team but they certainly had shiny shirts!  :)

Good lord, sharkskin is back in fashion. Oh, the horror.

Well, now you know why they've never achieved anything outside of Turkey.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: kruddler on March 10, 2018, 08:16:08 am
Good to see the royalties flowing in for ya Krudds ????????

I don't think i was the only one to suggest a grey/silver one.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: DJC on March 10, 2018, 09:48:40 am
While I do prefer this clash jumper over those we’ve had before, I reckon that a better option would be to add a blue tone.  A metallic blue look would retain the “Blues” appearance and still provide sufficient contrast with other guernseys. 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: crashlander on March 10, 2018, 04:51:48 pm
The Boltons were Stark bannermen before they went off the rails.
Maybe Brendon is trying to make up for Uncle Roose and Cousin Ramsay's misdemeanours. ;D
Car'n House Stark!
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 10, 2018, 05:28:22 pm
While I do prefer this clash jumper over those we’ve had before, I reckon that a better option would be to add a blue tone.  A metallic blue look would retain the “Blues” appearance and still provide sufficient contrast with other guernseys.

Wouldn't mind seeing what a metallic blue would look like...another thing I wouldn't mind seeing is that metallic grey/silver at the top gradually changing (preferably at an angle) to a metallic blue at the bottom with the navy monogram.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Raydan on March 10, 2018, 06:59:25 pm
Wait til you see the white socks, PUTRID
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LoveNavy on March 10, 2018, 07:00:38 pm
Just saw glimpses of boys warm up in the rooms. The shorts look silver with some navy too. Looked like a navy pocket shaped pattern on each gluteus.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Robblues on March 10, 2018, 07:05:58 pm
Ok that's an ugly out fit gees what were they thinking
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 10, 2018, 07:07:26 pm
It doesn't look as good on screen as it did in the photos...it's come up as a blue-grey

The shorts look terrible
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: madbluboy on March 10, 2018, 09:47:23 pm
Terrible. Baby Blue was the best.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 10, 2018, 10:06:19 pm
Worked for me. Hated the baby blue, white. Very new age. Even liked the white socks.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 10, 2018, 10:24:13 pm
Worked for me. Hated the baby blue, white. Very new age. Even liked the white socks.

I like the jumper and shorts but not a fan of the socks, but I realise the white socks will be great for the younger supporters as white socks are the fashion.

Like shoes, long pants with no socks, not part of my repertoire! :o
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: RiverRat on March 10, 2018, 11:59:07 pm
I like it, probably our best one yet. Nothing beats our navy blue, but this is ok for a few games per year.

I have no doubt that it is the best clash strip we have had so far although I haven't decided about the white sox 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: madbluboy on March 11, 2018, 06:30:51 am
Strange how the baby blue top is hated by our online fans but was our biggest selling clash guernsey.



Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 11, 2018, 07:31:38 am
Strange how the baby blue top is hated by our online fans but was our biggest selling clash guernsey.

It's my second favourite after the white and blue. It debuted in 2011, and our success that year may have something to do with its popularity.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 11, 2018, 08:20:18 am
I have no doubt that it is the best clash strip we have had so far although I haven't decided about the white sox

Yep. I would't mind seeing the strip combined with dark navy socks, I think that would look good but may clash with some other teams?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 11, 2018, 08:30:13 am
Whoever gave this the green light should be sacked... It's downright disgusting and I was embarrassed to watch my team run around in that crape last night ... white socks ???   FFS !!

Is this supposed to be a clash? strip an away? strip or just a bullcrap money? making exercise.

Our traditional Navy BLUE doesnt clash with Hawthorns piss and poo colours so why the farrk would we have worn it ???


ps -  just in case I haven't made it clear...... I farrking hate it.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Baggers on March 11, 2018, 08:55:47 am
Having now seen the new clash strip 'for real' (in action/game) and not staged PR shots, I still think it's good but agree with Principal LODS that gradation would look even better - from wolf grey to navy blue/dark grey. Sorry, but gladiators wearing white socks is all marketing - too prissy. Please lose the white socks. (I understand that grey is very trendy/fashionable at the moment -- we're using it on our new home -- but trends change).
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: PaulP on March 11, 2018, 11:17:51 am
Having now seen the new clash strip 'for real' (in action/game) and not staged PR shots, I still think it's good but agree with Principal LODS that gradation would look even better - from wolf grey to navy blue/dark grey. Sorry, but gladiators wearing white socks is all marketing - too prissy. Please lose the white socks. (I understand that grey is very trendy/fashionable at the moment -- we're using it on our new home -- but trends change).

When I watched the highlights just now, tbh I barely noticed it. Not the eyesore I was expecting. As Crowded House put it, "dull, dull grey, the colour of our times...."
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 11, 2018, 11:54:44 am
Having now seen the new clash strip 'for real' (in action/game) and not staged PR shots, I still think it's good but agree with Principal LODS that gradation would look even better - from wolf grey to navy blue/dark grey. Sorry, but gladiators wearing white socks is all marketing - too prissy. Please lose the white socks. (I understand that grey is very trendy/fashionable at the moment -- we're using it on our new home -- but trends change).

It's amazing the spin, most Carlton fans I've talked to are happy but The Hun runs with this and makes it out to be unhappy Carlton fans when the comments are mostly opposition fans;

"Carlton’s grey clash jumper under fire on social media" (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carltons-grey-clash-jumper-under-fire-on-social-media/news-story/a09fa56a21fee7a87366d13b9c344ffc)

Notice the article isn't attributed to anyone, it's just an editorial dig probably at the request of Flubbo!

They just love kicking us, I suppose we just have to accept it.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Baggers on March 11, 2018, 01:54:11 pm
It's amazing the spin, most Carlton fans I've talked to are happy but The Hun runs with this and makes it out to be unhappy Carlton fans when the comments are mostly opposition fans;

"Carlton’s grey clash jumper under fire on social media" (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carltons-grey-clash-jumper-under-fire-on-social-media/news-story/a09fa56a21fee7a87366d13b9c344ffc)

Notice the article isn't attributed to anyone, it's just an editorial dig probably at the request of Flubbo!

They just love kicking us, I suppose we just have to accept it.

Funny you should mention this... I was going to post something similar after seeing the article in the HUN. I don't know any BlueBagger supporter who thinks the away strip is 'putrid'. But then this is a Murdoch rag... truth and honest information don't matter, let's just entertain, make up stuff, use the opinions of a few to create/manipulate a headline (sensationalism) and use the rag to exercise our own agendas. Ah, yes, there was a time when journalism had standards... he muses wistfully...
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 11, 2018, 03:05:50 pm
Funny you should mention this... I was going to post something similar after seeing the article in the HUN. I don't know any BlueBagger supporter who thinks the away strip is 'putrid'. But then this is a Murdoch rag... truth and honest information don't matter, let's just entertain, make up stuff, use the opinions of a few to create/manipulate a headline (sensationalism) and use the rag to exercise our own agendas. Ah, yes, there was a time when journalism had standards... he muses wistfully...

Should we highlight this bit of media hypocrisy?

(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples/573537-tlslargeportrait.jpg)

Looks like it's a black and white case! ;D
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 11, 2018, 04:00:03 pm
Can anyone tell me why ??????  we would wear this crapTTTTT looking non NAVY BLUE outfit when our colours don't clash with Hawthorns colours ???

Please somebody tell me........... Eddie McGuire is a flog but Collingwood are proudly Black and White ......... what are we ????
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LoveNavy on March 11, 2018, 04:48:34 pm
Having seen JLT2 on screen, I thought the jumper looked great. I agree with others regarding graduation to navy. I didn't like the dinky shorts though. Prefer these to be navy. The only person's socks I even noticed was Byrne's for obvious reasons.
I wondered about the durablity of the jumper. I think Levi and Bam Bam had big tears in theirs. Nice bit of entertainment for the female viewers no doubt ;)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Robblues on March 11, 2018, 06:11:48 pm
Can anyone tell me why ??????  we would wear this crapTTTTT looking non NAVY BLUE outfit when our colours don't clash with Hawthorns colours ???

Fair point there is no real clash here, the normal jumper would have been fine ?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 11, 2018, 09:10:04 pm
Eggsactly... lets spend a million dollars on  new pox looking outfit ...

??

We are the NAVY BLUES... OK
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: kruddler on March 12, 2018, 02:45:28 pm
It's amazing the spin, most Carlton fans I've talked to are happy but The Hun runs with this and makes it out to be unhappy Carlton fans when the comments are mostly opposition fans;

"Carlton’s grey clash jumper under fire on social media" (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carltons-grey-clash-jumper-under-fire-on-social-media/news-story/a09fa56a21fee7a87366d13b9c344ffc)

Notice the article isn't attributed to anyone, it's just an editorial dig probably at the request of Flubbo!

They just love kicking us, I suppose we just have to accept it.

You and your agenda.

Reading through the posts above yours are carlton fans bagging it out!
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Thryleon on March 12, 2018, 08:50:34 pm
I still can't figure out why the old dark navy blues need a clash jumper, when we barely ever clash with anyone else.

Still that was as good as any.

Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 12, 2018, 08:55:38 pm
I still can't figure out why the old dark navy blues need a clash jumper, when we barely ever clash with anyone else.

Still that was as good as any.
I reckon its pretty bad when we play the Dees.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 12, 2018, 10:52:51 pm
I reckon its pretty bad when we play the Dees.

And Freo - at least it would be for me if there were no clash strip.  :o
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 13, 2018, 07:58:00 am
You and your agenda.

Reading through the posts above yours are carlton fans bagging it out!

Ah huh!
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Thryleon on March 13, 2018, 09:27:53 am
I reckon its pretty bad when we play the Dees.

When I was young (and we were good), the Demons tended to use more of a royal blue jumper so it never really clashed.

And Freo - at least it would be for me if there were no clash strip.  :o

Freo, should revert to their old Purple strip that was more of a grape colour and that way they wouldnt need a clash jumper either.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 13, 2018, 10:40:24 am
Da Di Da Di Darr.. We are the Greyish / Silverish.... nah sorry it just doesn't sound ( or look ) right to me.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 13, 2018, 10:45:50 am
Da Di Da Di Darr.. We are the Greyish / Silverish.... nah sorry it just doesn't sound ( or look ) right to me.

And yet you've used a poker avatar in a "greyish" T-shirt/jumper!

(http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=104;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Navy Maven on March 13, 2018, 10:50:56 am
Don't really get peoples beef with the jumper, and I hate the arrogance of some people thinking that we should do a Collingwood and refuse to wear a proper clash jumper. Every other team in the comp has one, and we've certainly moved past the mentality of "We are Carlton, fark the rest".

Every major professional sports competition implements an away or clash strip. Why are we acting so precious when the AFL does the same?

I like the grey, I think it's our best clash yet (albeit not with white socks). It kind of reminds me of baseball away strips too. Keep it simple.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 13, 2018, 11:18:36 am
And yet you've used a poker avatar in a "greyish" T-shirt/jumper!

(http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=104;type=avatar)


We are talking about wearing a clash ( even though our jumpers dont clash ) jumper here not avatar pictures.

Nobody has answered why would we wear this Jumper against Hawthorn ?



You've got a picture of a tiger or leopard ?    so screwing what ?   what the screw has that got do with anything ?  

 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 13, 2018, 11:58:54 am
Nobody has answered why would we wear this Jumper against Hawthorn?

It's our clash strip and the AFL mandate when clash strips must be worn, it's clash strip schedule is laid out by the AFL prior to the start of the season, it's not up to the individual clubs.

btw., Even Collingwood now have a clash strip approved by the AFL, they change the pattern of the stripes and the colour of the back panel.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 13, 2018, 12:22:57 pm
It's our clash strip and the AFL mandate when clash strips must be worn, it's clash strip schedule is laid out by the AFL prior to the start of the season, it's not up to the individual clubs.

btw., Even Collingwood now have a clash strip approved by the AFL, they change the pattern of the stripes and the colour of the back panel.


Thanks for letting me know..... now I can direct my anger towards the AFL and not the Club.


I still dont think we need one. 


We are the NAVY BLUES
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: deags on March 13, 2018, 12:39:54 pm
I thought it was a disgrace. Everyone is going to have a different opinion but the half a dozen people Ive heard comment from (note only myself and my wife are Carlton fans, or AFL fans for that matter), none of them liked it.
I'm not against a clash jumper, but I am against THIS clash jumper.
Oh and those socks  ::)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 13, 2018, 01:15:49 pm
When I was young (and we were good), the Demons tended to use more of a royal blue jumper so it never really clashed.

Freo, should revert to their old Purple strip that was more of a grape colour and that way they wouldnt need a clash jumper either.

I think that Dees Royal Blue came in during the 70s with the advent of colour tv because it looked better/brighter on screen. They reverted back to the less bright blue in the early 90s(?) from memory.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Navy Maven on March 13, 2018, 01:16:02 pm

We are talking about wearing a clash ( even though our jumpers dont clash ) jumper here not avatar pictures.

Nobody has answered why would we wear this Jumper against Hawthorn ?



You've got a picture of a tiger or leopard ?    so screwing what ?   what the screw has that got do with anything ?  

 

Pretty sure we wore it to launch the new clash strip. Good way to boost merch sales too.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Thryleon on March 13, 2018, 01:21:55 pm
I think that Dees Royal Blue came in during the 70s with the advent of colour tv because it looked better/brighter on screen. They reverted back to the less bright blue in the early 90s(?) from memory.

Im not sure.

I was born in 82 and here is a few snippets of the greats Lyon and Schwarz in melbourne Colours.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/club/support-the-club/coterie


They werent quite Navy IMHO.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: cookie2 on March 13, 2018, 03:12:23 pm
Im not sure.

I was born in 82 and here is a few snippets of the greats Lyon and Schwarz in melbourne Colours.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/club/support-the-club/coterie


They werent quite Navy IMHO.

http://demonwiki.org/Jumpers

Here you go - Royal Blue 1975 - 1986.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 13, 2018, 03:38:00 pm
Many of the clubs are migrating to the darker / richer colours.

I agree that we shouldn't be punished by the AFL because a club like Freo changes colour, but it's not up to us.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: kruddler on March 13, 2018, 06:16:34 pm
Pretty sure we wore it to launch the new clash strip. Good way to boost merch sales too.

Yep. Hardly rocket science.

re clashes.

Look at the jumpers from behind.

I'm not sure what the current opposition jumpers are displaying at the back right now but in the past we have clashed with...
Melbourne
Fremantle
St. Kilda
West Coast
Collingwood
Essendon

When those teams had a predominantly solid back colour (be that black, purple or blue) it made it very difficult to pick up from behind in certain light....usually direct sunlight.

 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 13, 2018, 07:40:08 pm
Yep. Hardly rocket science.

re clashes.

Look at the jumpers from behind.

I'm not sure what the current opposition jumpers are displaying at the back right now but in the past we have clashed with...
Melbourne
Fremantle
St. Kilda
West Coast
Collingwood
Essendon

When those teams had a predominantly solid back colour (be that black, purple or blue) it made it very difficult to pick up from behind in certain light....usually direct sunlight.


We clash with all those jumpers ?   but only certain light or direct sunlight..... Please tell me you are taking the piss.... :D

I apologise in advance if you are color blind.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: kruddler on March 13, 2018, 07:45:30 pm

We clash with all those jumpers ?   but only certain light or direct sunlight..... Please tell me you are taking the piss.... :D

I apologise in advance if you are color blind.

We HAVE clashed with those jumpers in the past. Not saying we clash with all of them all of the time.

Eagles and Dees have both adopted Navy Blue for large periods of time.

Looking at them from behind, all you see is navy blue. If a player doesn't have his jumper tucked in, you can't see his shorts. If he's socks are down, you can't tell at all.

If you are at a game at the G, sitting in the southern stand in the first quarter of a night game, you can't tell the difference when the jumpers are all purple or all black, which the others have all been at some stage.

I have very good eyesight personally, and can usually pick out the individual by size, hairstyle and running style, but i have no doubt that some of the oldies wouldn't have a hope in hell.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 13, 2018, 08:17:03 pm
Yeah well I will concede maybe some older people with poor vision may struggle ... but only in certain light and from behind... and only certain jumpers at certain times. ;)  :D

Ok Im taking piss now.

But seriously... I dont think we need one.. its getting ridiculous now we have a grey / silver jumper and white socks..?  it is pewk worthy. 

Do we know what home and away games we are being told to wear it this year ?  If any ?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Lods on March 13, 2018, 08:29:32 pm
I have very good eyesight personally, and can usually pick out the individual by size, hairstyle and running style, but i have no doubt that some of the oldies wouldn't have a hope in hell.

Not a hope in hell...
It's why I don't go to live games much anymore.
Even with glasses if it's more than a third of the ground away I really cant pick out individuals.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Navy Maven on March 14, 2018, 04:20:33 pm
Yep. Hardly rocket science.

re clashes.

Look at the jumpers from behind.

I'm not sure what the current opposition jumpers are displaying at the back right now but in the past we have clashed with...
Melbourne
Fremantle
St. Kilda
West Coast
Collingwood
Essendon

When those teams had a predominantly solid back colour (be that black, purple or blue) it made it very difficult to pick up from behind in certain light....usually direct sunlight.

Agreed. I struggle when at the game with all of those teams and I'm 32 with ok eyesight. It's frustrating going to a game and watching half of it on the big screen just so you know who has the ball.

I don't understand the big deal with this.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 14, 2018, 04:32:57 pm
NM, I suppose we all have different levels of visual acuity, but I wouldn't rate what you describe as OK. Do you drive a car?

This comes from myself, the person with arms that are no longer long enough to read a book unassisted, I cannot read the Footy Record without glasses, or crisply see the numbers on the speedo.

But I can pick out players on the opposite side of "The G" without a problem in whatever attire they choose! :o

One thing of interest, something your post has made me realise, there could be a very good reason forum members get in so many arguments on this site! ;D
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 14, 2018, 05:17:41 pm

I don't understand the big deal with this.


I support ( I'm 49 so have followed for over 40 years ) an Australian AFL Football team called Carlton - The Old Dark Navy Blues and we've worn that jumper for over 100 years..

I don't know why we have to keep chopping and changing our jumper and colours every couple of years ?  ..... It's just a bullcrap money making exercise....  IMO 

English Premier League,  NBA and Amercan Football do it so we have to do it too... ?  PFFFT


Maybe it's just me......  I've become a grumpy old man  ?  :)



EDIT - Thanks to the Blueseum I've done some research ;)

http://www.blueseum.org/Guernsey+History

Not quite a 100 years  1927 - 2018 so 90 odd years with a couple variations of the cfc logo.



 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 14, 2018, 08:25:38 pm
I support ( I'm 49 so have followed for over 40 years ) an Australian AFL Football team called Carlton - The Old Dark Navy Blues and we've worn that jumper for over 100 years..

I don't know why we have to keep chopping and changing our jumper and colours every couple of years ?  ..... It's just a bullcrap money making exercise....  IMO 

English Premier League,  NBA and Amercan Football do it so we have to do it too... ?  PFFFT


Maybe it's just me......  I've become a grumpy old man  ?  :)



EDIT - Thanks to the Blueseum I've done some research ;)

http://www.blueseum.org/Guernsey+History

Not quite a 100 years  1927 - 2018 so 90 odd years with a couple variations of the cfc logo.
Normally, in my younger days, I would have seen it exactly like you have. I'm a fraction older than you and I reckon I have become more tolerant and accepting of change in my old age. I reckon to date, our alternative strips have looked crap. For some reason, I like this one. Its modern, different and the colours, to me, are in a strange way conservative. The baby blue and white strips we have had in the past have made me puke. So there you go.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 15, 2018, 08:13:35 am
Normally, in my younger days, I would have seen it exactly like you have. I'm a fraction older than you and I reckon I have become more tolerant and accepting of change in my old age. I reckon to date, our alternative strips have looked crap. For some reason, I like this one. Its modern, different and the colours, to me, are in a strange way conservative. The baby blue and white strips we have had in the past have made me puke. So there you go.

Yes this is basically how I see it, I'm a bit like NM as the only thing I fail to understand is the white socks but I know that is currently the fashion so it's probably not targeted at the oldies!

I see teenage boys roaming around the streets in shorts, white socks and boat shoes like it's high fashion and not a time-warp back to the sixties at a UK sea-side holiday camp!

Anyway, the first time we win big in that strip people will want it worn all the time! We've worn that strip and won a JLT game it in, perhaps it's an omen!

I've also heard there are some unique or experimental features of this away kit that might go very well at "The G" under the new lighting schemes!
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: DJC on March 15, 2018, 09:18:20 am
Normally, in my younger days, I would have seen it exactly like you have. I'm a fraction older than you and I reckon I have become more tolerant and accepting of change in my old age. I reckon to date, our alternative strips have looked crap. For some reason, I like this one. Its modern, different and the colours, to me, are in a strange way conservative. The baby blue and white strips we have had in the past have made me puke. So there you go.

I would prefer to watch our players wearing navy blue but, if we have to have a “clash” strip, the current version is pretty good and heaps better than our previous efforts.

I wonder how much the requirement for a “clash” strip is motivated by merchandising opportunities?
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 15, 2018, 09:44:28 am
I wonder how much the requirement for a “clash” strip is motivated by merchandising opportunities?

I'd think it a big motivation, and that those references to the AFL's demands are more of a justification and a conformance.
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 15, 2018, 10:10:10 am


I wonder how much the requirement for a “clash” strip is motivated by merchandising opportunities?



CHING CHING CHING... We have a winner... It is the only reason.  It was never broken so didn't need fixing until some bright spark saw dollar signs $$$$

The yanks do it so we should too.... :(

WE might've been the ones who started it when we did the blue M+M thing :( :( :(
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 15, 2018, 11:08:19 am

CHING CHING CHING... We have a winner... It is the only reason.

So you will just disregard everything Lods and Navy Maven have told you!

Some of us remember black and white, some might be colour blind, others just getting older!

Not the only reason, but a reason! ;)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 15, 2018, 11:29:33 am
So you will just disregard everything Lods and Navy Maven have told you!

Some of us remember black and white, some might be colour blind, others just getting older!

Not the only reason, but a reason! ;)


ok - the MAIN reason ..........$$$
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 15, 2018, 12:33:46 pm

CHING CHING CHING... We have a winner... It is the only reason.  It was never broken so didn't need fixing until some bright spark saw dollar signs $$$$

The yanks do it so we should too.... :(

WE might've been the ones who started it when we did the blue M+M thing :( :( :(
Disagree. Clashes in contrasting jumpers have existed since day dot. There weren't the resources to fix it, nor was the competition professional enough. Nowadays, there are the resources (organisations and money) to address such problems and tweak things for the better. To be clear:
- I prefer to see us run out in our traditional Navy Jumper but accept the need for an alternative strip;
- I would not by a clash jumper no matter how good it looked.
- The AFL need to be more clever with Umpires clothing as sometimes, they balls this up completely (ie Umps clash with players)
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LP on March 15, 2018, 04:25:06 pm
Disagree. Clashes in contrasting jumpers have existed since day dot. There weren't the resources to fix it, nor was the competition professional enough. Nowadays, there are the resources (organisations and money) to address such problems and tweak things for the better. To be clear:
- I prefer to see us run out in our traditional Navy Jumper but accept the need for an alternative strip;
- I would not by a clash jumper no matter how good it looked.
- The AFL need to be more clever with Umpires clothing as sometimes, they balls this up completely (ie Umps clash with players)

GTC, some of us remember the bad old days of black and white TV broadcasts played in rain and mud! Carlton vs The Aints at Moorabbin on Match of the Day!

Agree with the bit in bold 100%, my missus made a good point, it's like the umpires, clubs and AFL all chose a clash strip independently without communicating the choice to the others! Personally, I think they must be allowing the color blind to run that department more often than not!

Cynically, and conspiratorially, I wouldn't be surprised to find the AFL asked the broadcaster for advice, and given how riddled the broadcasters are with CheatsFC supporters I wouldn't be surprised of the result because sometimes the scheduling of outfits is that bad it cannot be by accident!

For example, should we expect to be scheduled on a rainy day in the silver gray against Power in their gray while the umpires wear white! Based on past performance it's almost a certainty! Luckily, I do have experience and memory from the days of black and white TV! ;D
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: LordLucifer on March 15, 2018, 08:48:09 pm
I find this "clash" strip completely inappropriate & unnecessary.

Why did they pick silver as the dominant colour anyway ?? Makes us give the hawks a run for their money over who has the best Power Rangers jumper.

 
Title: Re: Clash Jumper Revealed
Post by: maxm68 on March 15, 2018, 11:09:19 pm
I will argue until I turn NAVY BLUE :) in the face that I don't think we need one in todays day and age of colour TV and picture perfect grounds where players walk of at the end of each game as clean as whistle.

If we must under the orders of the AFL have one I can see no reason on earth why it would be silver / grey or whatever it is now.... ridiculous, ludicrous completely lacking in logic.

Fans of the 12th man will get that last bit.  ;) :D