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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LordLucifer -
Quote from: kruddler on
Whatever you think of the Williams 'incident', one way or another the AFL got it wrong.

There was no free kick paid at the time......so either it deserved a free kick or it didn't.
If it deserved a free kick, it didn't get one, so it was wrong. Umpires were wrong.
If it DIDN'T deserve a free kick, then how can Henry be fined for it? Tribunal are wrong.

Take it whichever way you like, but there is no scenario where everyone was right, so someone was wrong.

Was going to post something similiar, if the incident was worth a fine then it had to be worth a free kick.

This was just one of a handful of really crappy decisions we copped from the umpires that cost us dearly.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
My point being has he improved?
He was injured for most of that and is playing under a different coach with different expectations. He is still getting a game over someone like Cincotta who seems to do the team things, but perhaps lacks the pure ability and skill that Williams has.

Maybe if Saad, McGovern and Docherty were playing now, he wouldn't be.

He was borderling best 22 at the start of the year, and is borderline best 22 now. I don't think he has been terrible, but i think he can certainly improve. He is not alone there though.

I think his dive was good timing (career wise) even though it was terrible timing (game wise).
It gives Vossy the ability to lay down the law and get that sorta thing stamped out from Williams' game, but everyone else on the list too. With plenty of time to get it out of our system come finals time, when there is no room for that sorta thing.

He made a mistake. He's allowed one.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Whatever you think of the Williams 'incident', one way or another the AFL got it wrong.

There was no free kick paid at the time......so either it deserved a free kick or it didn't.
If it deserved a free kick, it didn't get one, so it was wrong. Umpires were wrong.
If it DIDN'T deserve a free kick, then how can Henry be fined for it? Tribunal are wrong.

Take it whichever way you like, but there is no scenario where everyone was right, so someone was wrong.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Blue Moon -
Let's be sure we ignore that against GWS Williams was subbed out for a knock on his achilles. That might have affected his performance. But King and the rest don't want to admit they made a mistake. Just as the AFL won't admit a mistake on the McKay 50 meters. He stood up and checked out his sore leg, he didn't stand the mark.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
David King wants Williams dropped, not hard enough, poor decision making, being beaten too easily in contests by smaller bodied players ie Stengle and wants coach Voss to validate his call for better defense by making an example of Williams and dropping him to the VFL...not banishing but making a statement. He suggested Binns as a replacement but Im not seeing Binns as a defender at this stage.
Browny was even more scathing than King.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
David King wants Williams dropped, not hard enough, poor decision making, being beaten too easily in contests by smaller bodied players ie Stengle and wants coach Voss to validate his call for better defense by making an example of Williams and dropping him to the VFL...not banishing but making a statement. He suggested Binns as a replacement but Im not seeing Binns as a defender at this stage.

Not a good time (player availability wise) to try and make an example of someone....especially given our month of games.

I reckon Vossy definitely would've highlighted what Williams did wrong, but done so behind closed doors. I doubt we'll see another one of them in a hurry.