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Title: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on August 22, 2020, 10:37:55 am
So, we meet the Great Enemy again, at the 'Gabba on a Sunday afternoon after a 9 day break.
We will probably be on TV, for the 4th week on the trot.
The Meat Pies have had it over us in recent times, one of the signs we were in an ordinary patch. Can we break that trend? We have done some good trend breaking of late.

If we kick like we did last night, we might be a serious trouble.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2020, 10:44:26 am
I posted this earlier in the year, but we currently have a win/loss record of
127 wins
126 Losses
4 draw

.....against Collingwood. Obviously a loss would even the ledger at 127-127-4

The last time the win/loss were even between us was after the 1981 Grand Final. We have been in front since then.

Lets make sure we win this one to keep that streak alive!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on August 22, 2020, 10:55:34 am
Collingwood have a terrible injury list - a lot of their good players, forward, mids and backs. We would be a lock for winning this based on injuries alone. DeGoey, Howe, Quaynor, Reid, Sier, Treloar.

Mihocek, Quaynor, Roughead all 50/50. Not to mention Beams, although maybe including him isn't quite right.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2020, 10:59:02 am
Collingwood have a terrible injury list - a lot of their good players, forward, mids and backs. We would be a lock for winning this based on injuries alone. DeGoey, Howe, Quaynor, Reid, Sier, Treloar.

Mihocek, Quaynor, Roughead all 50/50. Not to mention Beams, although maybe including him isn't quite right.

How many times were Collingwood a 'lock' to beat us in the past 20 years during our dark years? How many times did we upset them?

There is no such as a lock between these 2 teams.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on August 22, 2020, 10:59:34 am
To say nothing of what appear to be a few off field disciplinary issues.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 22, 2020, 11:05:38 am
No Sidebottom either, gone home to be with his partner who is about to give birth, if we cant beat  this weakened Collingwood there should be a Royal Park commission....
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on August 22, 2020, 11:17:56 am
No Sidebottom either, gone home to be with his partner who is about to give birth, if we cant beat  this weakened Collingwood there should be a Royal Park commission....
We could improve our chances dramatically just by converting more of our goal scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on August 22, 2020, 11:40:36 am
No Sidebottom either, gone home to be with his partner who is about to give birth, if we cant beat  this weakened Collingwood there should be a Royal Park commission....

Not to mention a 9 day v 6 day break.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 22, 2020, 12:16:44 pm
Current pies injury list:

 Dayne Beams    Mental health    Indefinite
Jordan De Goey    Finger    4-6 weeks
 Jeremy Howe     Knee    4-6 weeks

 Will Kelly    Elbow    Season
 Brody Mihocek    Concussion    Test
 Isaac Quaynor     Shin    1 week
 Ben Reid    Hamstring    3-4 weeks
 Jordan Roughead    Concussion    Test
Brayden Sier    Quad    4-5 weeks
 Adam Treloar    Hamstring     3-4 weeks
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 22, 2020, 02:11:42 pm
Another mini final against a depleted and out of form Filth. Beware the wounded animal.
Go Blues
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on August 22, 2020, 03:28:07 pm
With the 9 day break it'll hopefully give Kennedy time to get back.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2020, 03:39:53 pm
With the 9 day break it'll hopefully give Kennedy time to get back.

Who goes out?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 22, 2020, 04:36:29 pm
With Cats playing the Dogs and Saints playing the Dees I reckon a win next week could well put us in the 8.

Toughest part we have is playing 4 games in 19 days. We're sure to have a flat one in there. We play the Swans on the 3rd of those. Just a bit down there and they'll get you as, although down these days they give 100% every time the play.

Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2020, 04:45:50 pm
With Cats playing the Dogs and Saints playing the Dees I reckon a win next week could well put us in the 8.

Toughest part we have is playing 4 games in 19 days. We're sure to have a flat one in there. We play the Swans on the 3rd of those. Just a bit down there and they'll get you as, although down these days they give 100% every time the play.

Win against Swans and Crows, lose against GWS and Lions.
Pies game will determine if we make the 8 or not. Assuming everyone else beats the teams below them and loses against teams above them.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 22, 2020, 04:48:00 pm
Win against Swans and Crows, lose against GWS and Lions.
Pies game will determine if we make the 8 or not. Assuming everyone else beats the teams below them and loses against teams above them.

Reckon we can roll the Lions if our football life depends on it. Hopefully anyway.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 22, 2020, 04:50:44 pm
Reckon we can roll the Lions if our football life depends on it. Hopefully anyway.

We can roll anyone on any given day.

But lets learn to walk before we run.

We SHOULD just make the 8 if we win 3 of our next 5....as long as Pies is one of them.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 22, 2020, 05:03:30 pm
We can roll anyone on any given day.

But lets learn to walk before we run.

We SHOULD just make the 8 if we win 3 of our next 5....as long as Pies is one of them.

I could live with a 9-8 season either way but that likely gets you in.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 22, 2020, 05:32:27 pm
This is probably the biggest game we've been involved in for 7 years. Essentially a mini final. Win and we'll be hard to keep out of the top 8. Lose and the season is done.

Sidebottom going home helps.... a LOT!!

He always kills us. Hopefully North knock them off and they cop another couple of injuries.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 22, 2020, 05:39:46 pm
This is probably the biggest game we've been involved in for 7 years. Essentially a mini final. Win and we'll be hard to keep out of the top 8. Lose and the season is done.

Sidebottom going home helps.... a LOT!!

He always kills us. Hopefully North knock them off and they cop another couple of injuries.

Handy if North knocks them off. Leave Collingwood 2pts ahead having played one more game than us. They haven't had their bye yet.

Dogs haven't had their bye either. They're a game ahead with a similar percentage.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 22, 2020, 08:41:42 pm
We can roll anyone on any given day.

I really feel that all things being equal, there is no team that we should fear except for WCE in Perth. Almost all home ground / home crowd advantages have been eliminated and we have proven Geelong, Port, Dogs,  do not scare us, we've improved heaps since Richmond and GWS aren't the force that they have been.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 22, 2020, 08:57:30 pm
Handy if North knocks them off. Leave Collingwood 2pts ahead having played one more game than us. They haven't had their bye yet.

Dogs haven't had their bye either. They're a game ahead with a similar percentage.

Agreed. A win against the pies puts us in control when you look at the run home for our competitors for 8th.

Not the end of the world if we miss but it will help with recruitment if we make finals and also - we fear very few opponents.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 23, 2020, 11:06:49 am
Agreed. A win against the pies puts us in control when you look at the run home for our competitors for 8th.

Not the end of the world if we miss but it will help with recruitment if we make finals and also - we fear very few opponents.

Make sure you watch the Pies Monday night, they are looking terrible quite frankly.

And take Sidebottom out, no reason we shouldn't win comfortably.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 23, 2020, 11:49:34 am
I really feel that all things being equal, there is no team that we should fear except for WCE in Perth. Almost all home ground / home crowd advantages have been eliminated and we have proven Geelong, Port, Dogs,  do not scare us, we've improved heaps since Richmond and GWS aren't the force that they have been.

Richmond are very good IMO and still well in the hunt for the flag, they have injuries but have covered them well which most teams including us cant do. The other teams are very lucky the Grand final is probably in Brisbane and not at the MCG else the Tigers would win easily IMO.
Agree on GWS...
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on August 23, 2020, 01:28:20 pm
Collingwood have a terrible injury list - a lot of their good players, forward, mids and backs. We would be a lock for winning this based on injuries alone. DeGoey, Howe, Quaynor, Reid, Sier, Treloar.

Mihocek, Quaynor, Roughead all 50/50. Not to mention Beams, although maybe including him isn't quite right.

Beams was gone before he started and hardly had any influence last year.

Not sure why the media and many on here bang on about their injuries.

Apart from Degoery, Howe and Treloar the rest are back up players and not prime movers.

Let’s not forget we have no Charlie, no Kruezer, no McGovern, no Newman, no Jack. Add in injuries to marchbank, Cunningham Fisher etc could easily argue we have been hit worse then them.  Losing Charlie and Kruezer is massive for us - I have many close pies mates and they all reckon the media is letting bucks off the hook and they don’t blame injuries alone for where they are.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on August 23, 2020, 06:08:30 pm
Beams was gone before he started and hardly had any influence last year.

Not sure why the media and many on here bang on about their injuries.

Apart from Degoery, Howe and Treloar the rest are back up players and not prime movers.

Let’s not forget we have no Charlie, no Kruezer, no McGovern, no Newman, no Jack. Add in injuries to marchbank, Cunningham Fisher etc could easily argue we have been hit worse then them.  Losing Charlie and Kruezer is massive for us - I have many close pies mates and they all reckon the media is letting bucks off the hook and they don’t blame injuries alone for where they are.
Indeed. Collingwood might complain about their injuries, but we have more of our important players out than they do.
Collingwood have problems, not all of them due to player availability.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueday on August 23, 2020, 09:35:38 pm
Reckon we can roll the Lions if our football life depends on it. Hopefully anyway.

They might have the que in the rack by then....
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 24, 2020, 12:21:11 pm
Owies kicked another 3 goals in the ressies. At what point does he push Eddie out? I have always thought you have to reward effort and if the guy keeps consistently hitting the scoreboard he has to play.

Dow seems to have been good again and another who probably needs to be playing now.

History shows if you leave guys in the ressies who are performing well they leave and go to another club who will give them a go.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 24, 2020, 12:25:51 pm
Lets hope tonight's game is a high intensity, uncompromising, energy sapping crash and bash spiteful affair!!!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 24, 2020, 12:46:51 pm
Unfortunately it is predicted to be quite mild conditions at game time tonight, perfect for football, so all we can hope for is plain old spite and retribution!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 24, 2020, 12:55:24 pm
Owies kicked another 3 goals in the ressies. At what point does he push Eddie out? I have always thought you have to reward effort and if the guy keeps consistently hitting the scoreboard he has to play.
Not for a long time, Owies is opportunistic but not so creative like Betts or Martin, however he clearly has some skills and pace which is very very nice to see, and he finishes with quality. I think for now he competes more with Cunningham and Fisher, I could see him in and Fisher getting his midfield wish if sMurph or Gibbons get a rest/holiday. If Owies keeps progressing I can see him diminishing our need for a small forward recruit to replace Betts when he eventually retires.

Dow seems to have been good again and another who probably needs to be playing now.
Who goes out though, I'd expect Kennedy to be straight back in once fit!

History shows if you leave guys in the ressies who are performing well they leave and go to another club who will give them a go.
Or they lose heart and lose form, from being over-cooked!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 24, 2020, 01:39:08 pm
Owies kicked another 3 goals in the ressies. At what point does he push Eddie out? I have always thought you have to reward effort and if the guy keeps consistently hitting the scoreboard he has to play.

Dow seems to have been good again and another who probably needs to be playing now.

History shows if you leave guys in the ressies who are performing well they leave and go to another club who will give them a go.
Agree on Owies ...I was impressed a couple of times saw him play for the NB's...leads well, can find space and a good kick for goal.
If it was anyone else but Eddie he would probably be given a game but Eddie even out of form isnt going to get dropped anytime soon IMO as he seems to have a positive effect on Martin and Gibbons as they all team nicely together.
Gibbons or Murphy you could maybe rest to give Owies a go but given finals are still a chance its unlikely.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on August 24, 2020, 01:47:42 pm
Agree on Owies ...I was impressed a couple of times saw him play for the NB's...leads well, can find space and a good kick for goal.
If it was anyone else but Eddie he would probably be given a game but Eddie even out of form isnt going to get dropped anytime soon IMO as he seems to have a positive effect on Martin and Gibbons as they all team nicely together.
Gibbons or Murphy you could maybe rest to give Owies a go but given finals are still a chance its unlikely.

I’m not so sure that Eddie is out of form.  He hasn’t kicked goals but his forward pressure and ball use has set up plenty of scoring opportunities.

Owies seems to be developing into a very good small forward but, if he gets a game, it’s more likely to be at the expense of Fisher or Gibbons.

It is a healthy sign that we have a couple of players pushing for selection for several spots.  It’s also a healthy sign that we’re not rushing new players into the 22 but are allowing them to develop.  I don’t think that too many of our youngsters will be looking for spots elsewhere, particularly with reduced lists on the cards.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on August 24, 2020, 01:59:41 pm
need to stop there run from our fwd50,so it up to our fwds to prevent easy exit
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 24, 2020, 02:48:08 pm
I’m not so sure that Eddie is out of form.  He hasn’t kicked goals but his forward pressure and ball use has set up plenty of scoring opportunities.

Owies seems to be developing into a very good small forward but, if he gets a game, it’s more likely to be at the expense of Fisher or Gibbons.

It is a healthy sign that we have a couple of players pushing for selection for several spots.  It’s also a healthy sign that we’re not rushing new players into the 22 but are allowing them to develop.  I don’t think that too many of our youngsters will be looking for spots elsewhere, particularly with reduced lists on the cards.
I have been strong on Eddie retiring, has been teaming well with Martin, Gibbons but I think his time has come and we should celebrate his career and I would be happy to employ him as a skills coach and doing PR work for the club.
If we do secure a small forward of note I dont see how with reduced list sizes we can keep him on the list..
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on August 24, 2020, 02:52:56 pm
Hard to see Fisher going out....the one thing he does bring is real good leg speed....not something we're overly blessed with. And Murphy BOG on the weekend against GC...hard to see him going out. Cottrell might be the unlucky one if Kennedy is fit.

Definitely stick with the two ruckman. TDK is very athletic and can go forward....with him, Harry and Casboult, we can stretch them for sure if we can get plenty of ball like last weekend.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 24, 2020, 04:02:37 pm
I’m not so sure that Eddie is out of form.  He hasn’t kicked goals but his forward pressure and ball use has set up plenty of scoring opportunities.
If not for the slippery pill last Friday Betts would have had about 5 or 6 shots at goal from inside F50, that's pretty good form for a small forward, the hardest part of the gig is finding space and he found plenty.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 24, 2020, 05:37:33 pm
Hard to see Fisher going out....the one thing he does bring is real good leg speed....not something we're overly blessed with. And Murphy BOG on the weekend against GC...hard to see him going out. Cottrell might be the unlucky one if Kennedy is fit.

Definitely stick with the two ruckman. TDK is very athletic and can go forward....with him, Harry and Casboult, we can stretch them for sure if we can get plenty of ball like last weekend.
Of all our players, TDK seems to be the one who is going to have a break out game sooner rather than later. And when he does, look out!!! He is coming along nicely but the time is near where he will, dominate centre bounces, clunk some marks, kick some goals and take a game by the scruff of the neck. Its coming, you can see it.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: rocky on August 24, 2020, 06:32:40 pm
Re TDK, as exciting a prospect as he is, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he can just get through the rest of the year without injury. He just needs some continuity. Then build on the physique in the preseason and i'm sure the rest will come. Early days yet but he seems to be something special in the making.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on August 24, 2020, 06:45:13 pm
I’m not so sure that Eddie is out of form.  He hasn’t kicked goals but his forward pressure and ball use has set up plenty of scoring opportunities.

Owies seems to be developing into a very good small forward but, if he gets a game, it’s more likely to be at the expense of Fisher or Gibbons.

It is a healthy sign that we have a couple of players pushing for selection for several spots.  It’s also a healthy sign that we’re not rushing new players into the 22 but are allowing them to develop.  I don’t think that too many of our youngsters will be looking for spots elsewhere, particularly with reduced lists on the cards.

Perfect opportunity will be for the Swans games from a 5 day break in the middle of the all that run of games that we have . Will give Eddie a rest and freshen up for the run home and finals if we make it.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 24, 2020, 06:54:56 pm
Perfect opportunity will be for the Swans games from a 5 day break in the middle of the all that run of games that we have . Will give Eddie a rest and freshen up for the run home and finals if we make it.

Its a fair point, but re freshen up....They are almost certainly having a week off before finals....potentially 2 depending on the whole quarantine thing and which state its all being played in!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 24, 2020, 06:58:46 pm
If not for the slippery pill last Friday Betts would have had about 5 or 6 shots at goal from inside F50, that's pretty good form for a small forward, the hardest part of the gig is finding space and he found plenty.
If not for the Tattslotto machine throwing out the wrong ping pong balls last Saturday night I could have had 5-6 numbers...😉
Marc Murphy as an older player didnt seem to have much trouble handling the ball....
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 24, 2020, 09:01:13 pm
If not for the Tattslotto machine throwing out the wrong ping pong balls last Saturday night I could have had 5-6 numbers...😉
Marc Murphy as an older player didnt seem to have much trouble handling the ball....
True, but you can't ignore that Betts had the ball in his arms on the full inside F50 multiple times, and in conditions that did not really suit him.

If there is a criticism it can't be that his good form isn't good enough, but that it not consistent. Even so it's hard to argue that he isn't bringing something to the team, and I say that as a very early critic of his recruitment.

 Betts deserves credit where credit is due, he has been better than I expected!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on August 24, 2020, 10:00:14 pm
True, but you can't ignore that Betts had the ball in his arms on the full inside F50 multiple times, and in conditions that did not really suit him.

If there is a criticism it can't be that his good form isn't good enough, but that it not consistent. Even so it's hard to argue that he isn't bringing something to the team, and I say that as a very early critic of his recruitment.

 Betts deserves credit where credit is due, he has been better than I expected!

If the conditions on Friday didn’t suit Eddie then just who did they suit ?

Friday Eddie looked like his reflexes had slipped and it surprised him, I don’t want to pension him off early but time waits for no man !
He hasn’t had much return for effort over the past few weeks, but started the season brilliantly.
He’ll play out the season before a judgement is made imho.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 24, 2020, 11:14:20 pm
If the conditions on Friday didn’t suit Eddie then just who did they suit ?

Friday Eddie looked like his reflexes had slipped and it surprised him, I don’t want to pension him off early but time waits for no man !
He hasn’t had much return for effort over the past few weeks, but started the season brilliantly.
He’ll play out the season before a judgement is made imho.
He bamboozled a bunch of 20 year olds on the boundary line multiple times, and looked as agile as ever.

I feel dropping a few marks in greasy conditions isn't a reason to blame him for the world of unrelated sins, so I do not think too much can be read into it!

McKay has hands like a couple of bobcat buckets and twice the ball flew straight through barely hindered by his presence!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 25, 2020, 07:46:41 am
Some of the negativity towards Eddie is a bit strange.  I reckon we have improved this year due a lot to the following:
- A stable back 6 led by Doc. Yes JW is having an outstanding year but don't underestimate Doc's impact from a structures and coaching point of view.
- Rucks giving a decent contest.
- Mids helping Cripps with some heavy lifting.
- Eddie marshalling the troops in the fwd line. You can see he is constantly directing them where to go, how to position themselves. At times it has looked shambolic but it is starting to really Gel and I reckon he has had abit to do with it.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 25, 2020, 08:35:13 am
Eddie still demands that an opposition player sits on him and not wander off him to create havoc elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on August 25, 2020, 08:46:58 am
Some of the negativity towards Eddie is a bit strange.  I reckon we have improved this year due a lot to the following:
- A stable back 6 led by Doc. Yes JW is having an outstanding year but don't underestimate Doc's impact from a structures and coaching point of view.
- Rucks giving a decent contest.
- Mids helping Cripps with some heavy lifting.
- Eddie marshalling the troops in the fwd line. You can see he is constantly directing them where to go, how to position themselves. At times it has looked shambolic but it is starting to really Gel and I reckon he has had abit to do with it.

I reckon that he loss of Eddie’s leadership in the forward line was a major factor in our drop down the ladder.

The other thing about Eddie is his amazing ability to identify a target inside 50 and deliver the ball to that target.  I expect us to score virtually every time Eddie gets the ball in his hands.  He is also highly respected by the opposition and always gets one of the better defenders, and that helps Gibbons, Fisher, etc.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 25, 2020, 08:56:12 am
We needed a Charlie Cameron as an understudy for Eddie and that's where the mistake has been made imo.
Gibbons isn't that player and either is Martin who is already an experienced player.
We needed that Cameron/Mosquito type for Eddie to train up.


Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: enz on August 25, 2020, 10:13:24 am
We needed a Charlie Cameron as an understudy for Eddie and that's where the mistake has been made imo.
Gibbons isn't that player and either is Martin who is already an experienced player.
We needed that Cameron/Mosquito type for Eddie to train up.



Kysiah Pickett unless Papley is coming end of the season.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 25, 2020, 11:40:23 am
Kysiah Pickett unless Papley is coming end of the season.
I see Papley as more of being in a Gibbons type Mid/Forward role rather than permanent SF.

I believe the club has asked Fisher to concentrate on becoming the best SF he can be, and he is not so happy about it.

Owies could well be Betts understudy, he looks to be an elite finisher and he has the pace to breakaway and the jump to take marks on the lead!

I'd like to see all our SFs make a concerted effort to develop their other foot, we have too many one-sided SFs. Even McKay for that matter, he missed a goal on Friday because he couldn't even kick 5m with his right boot, at AFL level that is inexcusable!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on August 25, 2020, 01:10:49 pm
Agreed LP...that McKay one from point blank range was almost laughable. I know there's blokes who are equally adept on either foot, some more than others, but to be so totally one sided these days is hard to fathom.

I would still love to have Papley as the long term succession to Eddie....but with smaller lists and reduced caps, he'll demand top $$$ and Sydney will still want a kings ransom for him.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 25, 2020, 03:18:21 pm
Agreed LP...that McKay one from point blank range was almost laughable. I know there's blokes who are equally adept on either foot, some more than others, but to be so totally one sided these days is hard to fathom.

I would still love to have Papley as the long term succession to Eddie....but with smaller lists and reduced caps, he'll demand top $$$ and Sydney will still want a kings ransom for him.
I keep saying it, this team as is can beat anyone, anytime, anywhere when they (as Teaguey says) "play our way".
- Make sure slow starts are a rarity
- DO NOT GIVE AWAY 5 goal leads or let teams get 5 goal unanswered runs.
- Put in 4 solid qtrs
- Tidy up the inaccuracy in front of goal and we smash GC by 100 pts.
We appear to be building depth (making selection decisions difficult) and training the kids the right way finally. If we beat the Filth this week, look out.
Go Blues
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 25, 2020, 03:56:12 pm
I keep saying it, this team as is can beat anyone, anytime, anywhere when they (as Teaguey says) "play our way".
- Make sure slow starts are a rarity
- DO NOT GIVE AWAY 5 goal leads or let teams get 5 goal unanswered runs.
- Put in 4 solid qtrs
- Tidy up the inaccuracy in front of goal and we smash GC by 100 pts.
We appear to be building depth (making selection decisions difficult) and training the kids the right way finally. If we beat the Filth this week, look out.
Go Blues

Yes, the results of games, even against the better teams, are mostly in our hands (and heads!) now.

Even the Cokers in Perth, but for umpire 22, they were in trouble.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 25, 2020, 07:01:48 pm
If we win and the Dogs and Dees lose we are not only in the 8 but have a game in hand on the Dogs and Pies, who haven't had their bye yet. Because of the latter finals are actually in our own hands. Keep winning and we are in.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on August 25, 2020, 08:13:20 pm
The reserve game write up suggests that Dow may be back this week ahead of Bam-Bam and Cunningham - I’d love to see him back providing that outside run that we desperately need.

Cripps, Setters, Curnow on the inside and Martin, Walsh, Murphy and Dow outside sounds very good
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 25, 2020, 08:33:44 pm
prefer Kennedy.

He's performed well enough to come straight back in.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 25, 2020, 08:40:30 pm
prefer Kennedy.

He's performed well enough to come straight back in.

Everyone wants players in......but who goes out? Nobody deserves to be dropped.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 25, 2020, 08:47:24 pm
prefer Kennedy.

He's performed well enough to come straight back in.
True, we need surety right now as this is the crunch game of the season. We know Kennedy will come in and do a job, either in the midfield or up fwd. What will Dow bring? Perhaps we have to trust that if they bring him in, he will be ready to go and do a job. Having said that, Moore showed us that VFL form doesnt translate to AFL form.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 25, 2020, 08:51:03 pm
Everyone wants players in......but who goes out? Nobody deserves to be dropped.

Who makes the team better?

Kennedy or Cottrell?

Do i need to give you the answer?  :D

(Pies aren't a quick side....certainly not minus Sidebottom, De Goey and Howe)
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: bratblue on August 25, 2020, 08:52:53 pm
I found this elsewhere.  Getting towards Outer Limits

Interesting facts:

The Blues have won six games and lost six games from 12 in total: but the stats extend far beyond that.

The Blues currently have a percentage of 100 per cent, having scored and conceded 756 points in 2020. The inaccuracy in front of goal on the weekend also means the Blues have kicked 108 goals and 108 behinds.

They’ve also won a game after the siren (Round 12), lost one after the siren (Round 7), won by a solitary point (Round 4), lost by a solitary point (Round 2), have won two games in a row twice and lost two games in a row twice.

Let’s knock off the Pies.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 25, 2020, 09:02:28 pm
I found this elsewhere.  Getting towards Outer Limits

Interesting facts:

The Blues have won six games and lost six games from 12 in total: but the stats extend far beyond that.

The Blues currently have a percentage of 100 per cent, having scored and conceded 756 points in 2020. The inaccuracy in front of goal on the weekend also means the Blues have kicked 108 goals and 108 behinds.

They’ve also won a game after the siren (Round 12), lost one after the siren (Round 7), won by a solitary point (Round 4), lost by a solitary point (Round 2), have won two games in a row twice and lost two games in a row twice.

Let’s knock off the Pies.


We will.

Pies have been ordinary against anyone decent.

Got smashed by the Dees and even whipped by the Dockers, in between soft wins against the Crows, Swans and North (last night).

Blues by 41.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 25, 2020, 09:04:23 pm

We will.

Pies have been ordinary against anyone decent.

Got smashed by the Dees and even whipped by the Dockers, in between soft wins against the Crows, Swans and North (last night).

Blues by 41.
That is confidence.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 25, 2020, 09:43:21 pm
Who makes the team better?

Kennedy or Cottrell?

Do i need to give you the answer?  :D

(Pies aren't a quick side....certainly not minus Sidebottom, De Goey and Howe)

Kennedy is clearly the better player at present.....but in saying that, Cottrell is a better runner and more physical. Long term i think he will inherit the tagging role from Ed. Pies have a few talented midfielders i wouldn't mind trying to stop....

For team balance, i think we'd be better off playing both and dropping a ruck.....but nobody deserves to be dropped.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: northernblue on August 25, 2020, 11:03:21 pm
He bamboozled a bunch of 20 year olds on the boundary line multiple times, and looked as agile as ever.

I feel dropping a few marks in greasy conditions isn't a reason to blame him for the world of unrelated sins, so I do not think too much can be read into it!

McKay has hands like a couple of bobcat buckets and twice the ball flew straight through barely hindered by his presence!

I’m still none the wiser who (in your opinion) the conditions actually suited ?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 25, 2020, 11:08:52 pm
Agreed LP...that McKay one from point blank range was almost laughable. I know there's blokes who are equally adept on either foot, some more than others, but to be so totally one sided these days is hard to fathom.
Shizen it was embarrassing, he could have thrown it onto his right foot and it would have rolled that far!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: bobby on August 26, 2020, 10:14:50 am
Kennedy is clearly the better player at present.....but in saying that, Cottrell is a better runner and more physical. Long term i think he will inherit the tagging role from Ed. Pies have a few talented midfielders i wouldn't mind trying to stop....

For team balance, i think we'd be better off playing both and dropping a ruck.....but nobody deserves to be dropped.

I think Kennedy is quite physical in the way he plays. Watch him. Cottrell has that Mitch Robinson kamikaze look about him IMHO , which makes him look more physical than others. Whether its energy well spent lets see over time. Robbo has learnt to play smarter over the journey since he left us I think. He is still no good with a mike in his hand though!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 26, 2020, 12:06:52 pm
I think Kennedy is quite physical in the way he plays. Watch him. Cottrell has that Mitch Robinson kamikaze look about him IMHO , which makes him look more physical than others. Whether its energy well spent lets see over time. Robbo has learnt to play smarter over the journey since he left us I think. He is still no good with a mike in his hand though!
Cottrell is a bit cheeky and doesnt mind a word much like Robbo, Kennedy is very stoic and traditional how he plays...like having both of them in the team. Big test for both this week, Pies have a good midfield even with some real star power out, reckon Tom Philips would be a good target for Cottrell to tag..
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on August 26, 2020, 01:19:29 pm
I hope, being by far our biggest game since 2013, we don't $hit the bed.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 26, 2020, 01:27:22 pm
PLAYER   INJURY   ESTIMATED RETURN
 Dayne Beams    Mental health    Indefinite
 Jordan De Goey    Finger    3-5 weeks
 Jeremy Howe     Knee    3-5 weeks
 Will Kelly    Elbow    Season
 Brody Mihocek    Concussion    Test
 Isaac Quaynor     Shin    Test
 Ben Reid    Hamstring    2-3 weeks
 Steele Sidebottom    Personal    Indefinite
 Brayden Sier    Quad    3-4 weeks
 Adam Treloar    Hamstring     2-3 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, August 25

Early prognosis
Collingwood remains hopeful that both De Goey and Howe will return for the club's finals campaign, should it qualify. Its chances of doing that will be bolstered by the return of Mihocek from a concussion for Sunday's clash with Carlton. Quaynor could also recover from a nasty gashed shin, but Treloar and Reid are still at least a fortnight away. Sidebottom returns to Victoria this week for the birth of his child. - Riley Beveridge

Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 26, 2020, 01:27:55 pm
I hope, being by far our biggest game since 2013, we don't $hit the bed.
Jim..you can keep those clean clean sheets in the cupboard, Blues by 3-5 goals IMO....Pies have too many key players out
and cant see them kicking enough goals unless someone like Elliott has a day out.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 26, 2020, 01:28:34 pm
Forecast is very good.

Sunday 30 August
Summary Min 13   Max 23

Partly cloudy.Chance of any rain: 5%

Brisbane area

Partly cloudy. Light winds.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 26, 2020, 02:12:00 pm
Jim..you can keep those clean clean sheets in the cupboard, Blues by 3-5 goals IMO....Pies have too many key players out
and cant see them kicking enough goals unless someone like Elliott has a day out.

If we beat the Filth this week, I think I will more than likely shed a tear. If a few other results go our way, I may well have an aneurysm!!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on August 26, 2020, 03:13:47 pm
I don't understand why there is so little respect for Carlton in the media. While our recent history has been poor, while any prognostication about our future should be tempered and other than the fact the media is full of Carlton haters, I don't understand why people aren't a bit more bullish about our prospects. We have a strong goal to goal line, a solid back line, depth in our rucks, a good midfield with depth, and a lot of variety in our forward half. Over 75% of our list is 25 years or younger, so there is plenty of growth there and we have had plenty of injuries, especially to some of our better players, yet we sit in striking distance of the finals. The narrative at the moment is that Carlton will probably beat Adelaide and Sydney, but lose to Collingwood, GWS and Brisbane and therefore miss out on the finals. This might be the outcome, but I believe winning all five games is just as likely an outcome.
Earlier this year I went to the Carlton-Collingwood practice match and I came away with the belief that we had a lot of depth and that Collingwood had very little. While the media always talk about the magpie horror run with injuries, the fact we haven't had Curnow, Kreuzer, Silvagni, Newman, and Marchbank all season, and there has been continuous injuries to McGovern, McKay, Cuningham, Kennedy, Dow and Fisher and still be on the improve seems to go unnoticed.
Collingwood is tracking how Carlton went 20 years ago. A surprise appearance in the 99 Grand Final, a disappointing exit in the Preliminary final the next year, and a nothing final series in 2001, then gloom and doom. Collingwood has a strong defence, a thin but good midfield, and a forward line that can only kick goals when the midfield is dominant. People look at the first quarter frenzy in the 2018 Grand Final and the last quarter frenzy in the 2019 Preliminary Final and say how dangerous their forward line is,  but what they don't talk about is the six quarters where they barely scored. Last year some clown in the media said that the Collingwood midfield was the best ever assembled in AFL history. I think we can all see how stupid that statement was. While Grundy is an excellent ruckman, he can be passive during the game and is often only involved in the parts of the game he is involved in like in last years preliminary final where he got most of the tap outs, but only had a presence in the last quarter. Collingwood's midfiled, consists of Pendlebury, Greenwood, Adams, Trelore and Sidebottom, but there is not a lot else. It was a bit like when we use to have Murphy, Gibbs, Curnow and Cripps, and not much else. One injury and we were in trouble. Now we have Murphy, Curnow, Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh, and Kennedy with Gibbons, Martin, Fisher, Newnes and others running through there. In the last two weeks, Curnow was best on the ground and then Murphy was best, and Cripps seems to be getting better each week. Early in the year, the media had a real set about putting down Walsh. Walsh, number one draft pick, won the rising star by the most votes ever, was somehow barely in the top ten of his year. Clearly getting 20 plus kick each week, taking mark of the year and kicking goals, means you are not much good if you play for Carlton.
The two times we have beaten Collingwood in recent years, our midfield has been on top of theirs. We will need to do this again. If we do this the Collingwood's forwards will struggle to score, however we need to make more of our opportunitites than we have done so over the past couple of weeks against Fremantle and Gold Coast, toher wise the Colling wood defence will keep them in the game and leave us open to one of Collingwood's forward frenzy where they kick multiple goals in a short period of time.
We really should win this one, but we got ahead of ourselves against Hawthorn, so it will probably be another white knuckle ride.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 26, 2020, 03:34:34 pm
I'd beg to differ on the filth's defence.

Last week against North:

[25] Jack Crisp, 147 games, ok. 190cm, 90kg
[23] Jordan Roughead, 200cm, doesn't do much. last legs?
[44] Jack Madgen 27yo, 15 games, ex basketballer. 192cm, 98kg.
FB
[37] Brayden Maynard, solid player, 110 games. 189cm, 90kg.
[30] Darcy Moore, 203cm, will take Harry?
[9] John Noble 16 games. 180cm, 72kg,

Noble on Betts presumably? Who gets Martin?

No one is slippery enough, not even close, to go with Martin from that group. I'll guess they'll try Maynard.

Or Gibbo?

If we use H, Levi and TDK up forward - all three are very good marks. Who takes our 3rd tall? Madgen?

Good luck with that.

We had them last year at the G before a bit of composure and the rotten umpires intervened....they were flying then too.

This year, we've a better team on the park (inclusions like Jones, Martin, Doc, Pitto, TDK, Newnes, Betts and likely, Kennedy)

From their line up in 2019, they'll be missing Howe, JdeG, Treloar, Stephenson and Sidebottom but gain Adams.

So they're down two critical mids, their main driver off HB (and intercept marker) in Howe and de Goey.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on August 26, 2020, 03:35:02 pm
We stand a decent chance.  The sniff of advancing further up the ladder would be a huge incentive.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 26, 2020, 03:56:00 pm
I'd beg to differ on the filth's defence.

Last week against North:

[25] Jack Crisp, 147 games, ok. 190cm, 90kg
[23] Jordan Roughead, 200cm, doesn't do much. last legs?
[44] Jack Madgen 27yo, 15 games, ex basketballer. 192cm, 98kg.
FB
[37] Brayden Maynard, solid player, 110 games. 189cm, 90kg.
[30] Darcy Moore, 203cm, will take Harry?
[9] John Noble 16 games. 180cm, 72kg,

Noble on Betts presumably? Who gets Martin?

No one is slippery enough, not even close, to go with Martin from that group. I'll guess they'll try Maynard.

Or Gibbo?

If we use H, Levi and TDK up forward - all three are very good marks. Who takes our 3rd tall? Madgen?

Good luck with that.

We had them last year at the G before a bit of composure and the rotten umpires intervened....they were flying then too.

This year, we've a better team on the park (inclusions like Jones, Martin, Doc, Pitto, TDK, Newnes, Betts and likely, Kennedy)

From their line up in 2019, they'll be missing Howe, JdeG, Treloar, Stephenson and Sidebottom but gain Adams.

So they're down two critical mids, their main driver off HB (and intercept marker) in Howe and de Goey.
Maynard is a good footballer and be happy to have him our list, played on Greene from GWS in last years finals and toweled him up...he is a genuine tough player and any of our blokes playing on him are in for a hard game.
I think they might play Varcoe on Martin...they have used the latter down back a few times this season and he teams well with Crisp who is his best mate.
Greenwood is a thug so I'd expect him to tag someone and try on the rough stuff, one of the mistakes we have made with Collingwood before is to let Pendlebury run loose playing off Cripps, thats a real dangerous practice IMO and I would have Curnow on him the whole game. Pies will probably bring Wills into the team to replicate the Jack Steele type game on Cripps.
I'm expecting Eddie to have a big game along with Martin who needs to kick a bit straighter, reckon Levi can kick a few this week too with Moore occupied with Harry.

Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 26, 2020, 05:12:44 pm
Maynard is a good footballer and be happy to have him our list, played on Greene from GWS in last years finals and toweled him up...he is a genuine tough player and any of our blokes playing on him are in for a hard game.
I think they might play Varcoe on Martin...they have used the latter down back a few times this season and he teams well with Crisp who is his best mate.
Greenwood is a thug so I'd expect him to tag someone and try on the rough stuff, one of the mistakes we have made with Collingwood before is to let Pendlebury run loose playing off Cripps, thats a real dangerous practice IMO and I would have Curnow on him the whole game. Pies will probably bring Wills into the team to replicate the Jack Steele type game on Cripps.
I'm expecting Eddie to have a big game along with Martin who needs to kick a bit straighter, reckon Levi can kick a few this week too with Moore occupied with Harry.


The 22 that run out ALL need a big game, this is huge for this group.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 26, 2020, 05:32:46 pm
If we win this game and don't make finals, people will lose their $hit.

If we win this game and miss out on finals, people can at least say we beat the pies.

Regardless of how our season goes from here, we need to beat the pies. Simples.

Of course this year it has the added benefit of setting us up for finals.

As i mentioned earlier, if we lose this we have a tied record against the pies for the first time since the 1981 grand final
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 26, 2020, 05:43:48 pm
If we win this game and don't make finals, people will lose their $hit.

If we win this game and miss out on finals, people can at least say we beat the pies.

Regardless of how our season goes from here, we need to beat the pies. Simples.

Of course this year it has the added benefit of setting us up for finals.

As i mentioned earlier, if we lose this we have a tied record against the pies for the first time since the 1981 grand final
Its all about how we lose for me. If we lose by:
- Falling asleep in the 1st qtr (or entire other qtrs)
- Giving away 5 goal leads
- Scoring 18 behinds (ie having more scoring shots but losing)
Ill be filthy (especially with if its one of the first two). If however we are ruthless, physical, don't take backward steps, are in games up to our ears but fall short, that's a different story AFAIC.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 26, 2020, 06:19:44 pm
Its all about how we lose for me. If we lose by:
- Falling asleep in the 1st qtr (or entire other qtrs)
- Giving away 5 goal leads
- Scoring 18 behinds (ie having more scoring shots but losing)
Ill be filthy (especially with if its one of the first two). If however we are ruthless, physical, don't take backward steps, are in games up to our ears but fall short, that's a different story AFAIC.

If we do those things, ZERO chance we lose.

Pies simply aren't very good at present. Sidebottom's a huge loss.

Bombers 63, Pies 48

Eagles 111, Pies 45

Dockers 61, Pies 49,

Dees 100, Pies 44.

We bring it, we'll win by a fair margin.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 26, 2020, 06:59:09 pm
If we do those things, ZERO chance we lose.

Pies simply aren't very good at present. Sidebottom's a huge loss.

Bombers 63, Pies 48

Eagles 111, Pies 45

Dockers 61, Pies 49,

Dees 100, Pies 44.

We bring it, we'll win by a fair margin.
Is that a typo or are you saying we could do all those things wrong and still win?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 26, 2020, 07:35:10 pm
No, I was referencing your:

Quote
If however we are ruthless, physical, don't take backward steps.....

If we bring that effort, no chance we'll lose.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 26, 2020, 07:57:46 pm
No, I was referencing your:

If we bring that effort, no chance we'll lose.
Roger that
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: sydneybluesfan on August 26, 2020, 08:57:01 pm
With Sidebottom out they are hugely reliant on 4 players for run and carry - Pendles & Adams in the midfield, and Maynard and Crisp off half back. Outside of that they don't have much. Grundy has been up and down, and Moore is impressive but we just need to play smart bringing the ball forward and stretch their defence.

Ed to Pendles for mine. Newnes playing a defensive role on Maynard.

I reckon they have more headaches matching us up, especially Cripps, Martin, Betts and McKay - than we have worrying about them. They are not a high scoring side and have limited threats inside 50. We should get enough ball and shots to win - we just need to convert our opportunities and we should win comfortably.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on August 26, 2020, 10:51:13 pm
This could go anyway Really.

Main thing is if we have turned the corner, that big huge corner we haven’t been able to turn convincingly for some time, Sunday is the day to show it.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Tragic on August 27, 2020, 11:56:23 am
I hope, being by far our biggest game since 2013, we don't $hit the bed.

nailed it Laj.

easily the most important game for a number of years.  nothing is more important than beating collingwood to setup a run at the finals.  but we have a horrible recent history of showing some promise, getting some respect and a shot at finals, and then crapping our pants on the big stage.  especially when the media blows smoke up our butts and the boys get a bit ahead of themselves.

if we've turned the corner for real this time, we'll beat them (only just if they come to play for real), or we'll pants them.  Either way, we'll win this one.  And I don't care if it's by a point.

I'd like to see one or both of Kennedy and Dow in.  Not sure who goes out.  Dow was my pick for surprise packet this year, which wasn't looking good early, and then he got injured and missed a heap, so looked even worse.  Even so, I think he'll play 2 or 3 of the last games, and hope he'll show what I hoped he'd show.  Ya know.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: deepbluesee on August 27, 2020, 12:41:13 pm
I too had big Hope's for Dow, still do. And I see Dow's brother is in line to get his first game this week. May spur him on...
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 27, 2020, 12:42:13 pm
nailed it Laj.

easily the most important game for a number of years.  nothing is more important than beating collingwood to setup a run at the finals.  but we have a horrible recent history of showing some promise, getting some respect and a shot at finals, and then crapping our pants on the big stage.  especially when the media blows smoke up our butts and the boys get a bit ahead of themselves.

if we've turned the corner for real this time, we'll beat them (only just if they come to play for real), or we'll pants them.  Either way, we'll win this one.  And I don't care if it's by a point.

I'd like to see one or both of Kennedy and Dow in.  Not sure who goes out.  Dow was my pick for surprise packet this year, which wasn't looking good early, and then he got injured and missed a heap, so looked even worse.  Even so, I think he'll play 2 or 3 of the last games, and hope he'll show what I hoped he'd show.  Ya know.
Prefer Dow to come back in a less important game, the Pies midfield is reduced in quality but its still their major weapon and
his errors by foot could derail the game for us in important moments.
Dont think its a game where we can get too cute or experimental.....
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 27, 2020, 01:19:04 pm
I hope, being by far our biggest game since 2013, we don't $hit the bed.

I think the current team has a lot more resolve than previous years. Docherty’s presence on the ground means a lot, Weitering is not intimidated these days, Martin adds X factor and toughness, Setterfield has turned into a tackling machine, Gibbons backs himself, the big Pit won’t be intimidated by Grundy (might not beat him, but won’t be intimidated!) Cripps and Ed know what is required..... we will be the hunted this week, let them worry about us.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on August 27, 2020, 02:23:35 pm
we cant let them have easy exit from  our forward line ,Our fwds need to bring immense pressure this week
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on August 27, 2020, 02:50:36 pm
I'm quietly confident BUT lets not get ahead of ourself here. They have gone deep in the finals with this group for many years -they are still a quality team that are playing for a spot in the finals like we are so we will not want to underestimate them.

Grundy, Pendelbury, Adams, Phillips, Greenwood are no mugs and will probably even with who they are missing is still strong enough to push our mids.

Their defence usually doesn't give much away so our young forwards will need to play well to score but its their small forwards that i think is their main area where they still could bother us.

Bet Stevenson gets a game this week and Elliott will also probably play more forward then midfield this week and Daicos is getting better each week. Need SPS to take one of these and wont want to be lazy or laid back this week. He will need to be switched on from first bounce, tackle hard and use the ball well. Doc and Simmo will prob take the other 2 but i have less concern with them doing the job. 

Maybe its just cause i hate them so much I worry losing to them cause i cant handle the thought of it!!.

Thing is we wont get a weaker Pies line up so have to get the points to hammer home we are on the rise.

Still a danger game IMO and a loss this week with who they have out will dint our progress and cause the media to turn on us.

Very important game.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on August 27, 2020, 04:30:10 pm
Spot on Shawny....on paper, for the first time in a while, we've got them covered. Tidy up some of the sloppy finishing stuff but bring the same intensity as we did against the Eagles, last 3 quarters against Freo and last week against GC and the win is there for the taking....but drop this one and it could end up being a bit of a wasted season in many respects.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 27, 2020, 04:31:22 pm
FWIW, Daisy was on triple M and he picked the pies to win because they have a better midfield and their best is better than ours.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on August 27, 2020, 05:37:12 pm
FWIW, Daisy was on triple M and he picked the pies to win because they have a better midfield and their best is better than ours.

A lot will depend on whether De Koning can limit Grundy’s impact around the ground.  If Grundy isn’t able to provide a link up role, the Pies’ midfield isn’t as effective.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 27, 2020, 06:55:35 pm
A lot will depend on whether De Koning can limit Grundy’s impact around the ground.  If Grundy isn’t able to provide a link up role, the Pies’ midfield isn’t as effective.
Been down has Grundy, Preuss really roughed him in the Dees game and I thought Goldy had the better of him vs the Roos.
Been suggested he play forward a bit more so be interested to see if that happens....his support is another  interesting aspect if they play both Cameron and Cox or drop one, Roughead played as a ruck at the Dogs so its not many teams that have four ruckman in the one lineup.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 27, 2020, 07:39:58 pm
Been down has Grundy, Preuss really roughed him in the Dees game and I thought Goldy had the better of him vs the Roos.
Been suggested he play forward a bit more so be interested to see if that happens....his support is another  interesting aspect if they play both Cameron and Cox or drop one, Roughead played as a ruck at the Dogs so its not many teams that have four ruckman in the one lineup.
The Filth are running him into the ground as are Melb with Gawn, we think Cripps is banged up, Cripps is pristine compared to Grundy and Gawn. If we go with one ruckman, we are playing right into their hands. We need TDK and Pitto to absolutely work him over something ferocious.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 27, 2020, 07:49:14 pm
The Filth are running him into the ground as are Melb with Gawn, we think Cripps is banged up, Cripps is pristine compared to Grundy and Gawn. If we go with one ruckman, we are playing right into their hands. We need TDK and Pitto to absolutely work him over something ferocious.
We do have Casboult to cause some havoc as well.
Harry if we get really desperate.

Just don't want to go in too tall.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 27, 2020, 07:51:03 pm
We do have Casboult to cause some havoc as well.
Harry if we get really desperate.

Just don't want to go in too tall.
Need Levi patrolling the fwd line clunking marks giving their defenders headaches. Shock and awe on every line.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 27, 2020, 07:51:42 pm
Need levi patrolling the fwd line clunking marks giving their defenders headaches. Shock and awe on every line.
Sure, but when levi is in the ruck, TDK can be down forward.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 27, 2020, 07:55:24 pm
Sure, but when levi is in the ruck, TDK can be down forward.
I want Pitto hurting him and making him earn it. This is do or die.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 27, 2020, 08:43:45 pm
FWIW, Daisy was on triple M and he picked the pies to win because they have a better midfield and their best is better than ours.

In terms of who is out there Sunday, they don't.

Maybe Daisy still dirty he got chopped....
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on August 27, 2020, 08:47:14 pm
Sure, but when levi is in the ruck, TDK can be down forward.


In good conditions, we can carry 4 talls (Pitto, Levi, TDK and Big H).

The latter two are as quick as any. The latter three can all legitimately hold down a KPF role.

And Levi's engine is good for a big guy.

Pitto to butter/bruise Grundy up then TDK can jump all over him.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on August 28, 2020, 09:05:04 am

In good conditions, we can carry 4 talls (Pitto, Levi, TDK and Big H).

The latter two are as quick as any. The latter three can all legitimately hold down a KPF role.

And Levi's engine is good for a big guy.

Pitto to butter/bruise Grundy up then TDK can jump all over him.

Levi often looks to me like he is stuffed but he covers the ground amazingly well.  Teague mentioned his elite endurance a couple of weeks back.  He has come a long way from the one effort player he was at the start of his career.

I think we’ll follow the same formula as last week; Pittonet will spend a fair bit of time on the bench, De Koning won’t be on the bench quite as much and will play as a forward when spelled in the ruck by Casboult.  It worked well against the Suns and I think it will test Grundy and whoever else they choose to spell him.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on August 28, 2020, 01:34:53 pm
no treloar and steele and there midfield still better than ours .Thanks Daisy wat more incentive does our mid need now
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on August 28, 2020, 02:43:34 pm
Cameron for them is one who could cause some headaches up forward....he's a good mark and can kick a goal....he's more of a worry than Cox.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 28, 2020, 06:41:57 pm
A scratch match today that included OBrien, Owies and Cunningham means that they aren’t playing on Sunday, but Dow wasn’t mentioned so it looks like he will be at least an emergency. Why aren’t Sunday teams out yet??  They are normally finalized by 5 pm.. ..
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on August 28, 2020, 08:03:16 pm
A scratch match today that included OBrien, Owies and Cunningham means that they aren’t playing on Sunday, but Dow wasn’t mentioned so it looks like he will be at least an emergency. Why aren’t Sunday teams out yet??  They are normally finalized by 5 pm.. ..

Good question, thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 29, 2020, 10:57:48 am
Is this our biggest game in 7 years?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 29, 2020, 11:00:46 am
Strange that Cunningham isn't playing. I thought we've really missed him. We're really short one speed.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 29, 2020, 11:06:09 am
The Filth are running him into the ground as are Melb with Gawn, we think Cripps is banged up, Cripps is pristine compared to Grundy and Gawn. If we go with one ruckman, we are playing right into their hands. We need TDK and Pitto to absolutely work him over something ferocious.

I can't see us taking in 2 rucks. Especially if Gov is fit. Bloody tough selection this week though. Kennedy is fit again, Dow needs to be picked- good problem to have but what a logjam we'd have if everyone was fit!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on August 29, 2020, 11:10:23 am
The Filth are running him into the ground as are Melb with Gawn, we think Cripps is banged up, Cripps is pristine compared to Grundy and Gawn. If we go with one ruckman, we are playing right into their hands. We need TDK and Pitto to absolutely work him over something ferocious.
Agree - we need to tag team him. Pitto with the muscle and TDK with the aerobics.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 29, 2020, 05:08:20 pm
At 5:06 pm on a Saturday, am I missing something... like the teamsheet for a game less than 24 hours away????,
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 29, 2020, 05:15:56 pm
At 5:06 pm on a Saturday, am I missing something... like the teamsheet for a game less than 24 hours away????,
Ridiculous isnt it?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 29, 2020, 05:34:46 pm
Polson Dow in Samo Cottrell out
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on August 29, 2020, 06:25:32 pm
I like the in of Dow but not sure what is going on with Polson when we could have welcomed Kennedy or Cunningham back.

Pies look a lot stronger with Stevenson, Mihocek, Brown etc

Selection made this game a little harder
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 29, 2020, 06:30:10 pm
I like the in of Dow but not sure what is going on with Polson when we could have welcomed Kennedy or Cunningham back.
I suspect we are concerned about the Filth's leg speed, Kennedy wouldn't help address that.

I presume SPS never got up after that hit last week, Cottrell is a bit stiff and Williamson a bit lucky but I do like Williamson.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 29, 2020, 06:46:57 pm
I suspect we are concerned about the Filth's leg speed, Kennedy wouldn't help address that.

I presume SPS never got up after that hit last week, Cottrell is a bit stiff and Williamson a bit lucky but I do like Williamson.
Injury or not, I am happy to see SPS out.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on August 29, 2020, 06:47:51 pm
Wtf would we play Polson in this. Isn’t this one of our biggest games in years?

Dow is enough of a risk to bring in this week let alone Polson!!!

Pies have brought in players to make them stronger we have inclusions which could severely affect how we play.

All we need now is a late change and Lang to come in.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 29, 2020, 06:56:03 pm
Wtf would we play Polson in this. Isn’t this one of our biggest games in years?
I think it's obvious, Polson will get a crack at tagging Adams as Ed can't keep up with Adams on the spread, and neither can our other taggers.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 29, 2020, 07:02:16 pm
Not sure I would have played two inexperienced players who dont use the ball well in both Dow and Polson at the same time but
there must be some plan behind their inclusions so you have to back the coach in and see how both players are used.
Pies look a bit stronger with their ins but still have too many key players out IMO and I'm still tipping a 3 goal win..
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on August 29, 2020, 07:11:00 pm
SPS managed= dropped.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on August 29, 2020, 07:16:24 pm
These inclusions have a cocky look about them and have the danger of coming back to bite us 

Who could argue how much stronger we would be with Kennedy and Cunningham instead of Dow and polson. 

Dow hasn’t played good footy for 2 years and Polson has never played good footy and we include them both at the same time. I get you have to reward form but one at a time and in a less important game would seem to make more sense.

Massive gamble here Mr Teague.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 29, 2020, 07:20:58 pm
These inclusions have a cocky look about them and have the danger of coming back to bite us 

Who could argue how much stronger we would be with Kennedy and Cunningham instead of Dow and polson. 

Dow hasn’t played good footy for 2 years and Polson has never played good footy and we include them both at the same time. I get you have to reward form but one at a time and in a less important game would seem to make more sense.

Massive gamble here Mr Teague.
True but yet another reason why this game is HUGE and tells alot about where we are at. We have shown we can mix it with the best, can we cover losses to injury/manage players and still win? This is fascinating and I am really looking forward to this game.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on August 29, 2020, 07:30:42 pm
SPS managed= dropped.
Yep. He has been played out of position in defence though. I would like to see him tried on the wing or hff.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on August 29, 2020, 07:35:49 pm
SPS managed= dropped.
Disagree - he hurt his shoulder in the last game. Important player, yes, has that laconic look about him but still super important to us.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on August 29, 2020, 07:42:59 pm
Disagree - he hurt his shoulder in the last game. Important player, yes, has that laconic look about him but still super important to us.

Agree and that’s what worries me with the inclusions.

They both try hard and usually do well at the lower lever but neither have the clean disposal SPS has.
SPS as you say can look lazy and almost disinterested but there is no doubt In my mind he can’t play or may not make it. It’s just how good he can be that the query lies.

Issue is vastly different with Dow and Polson. I’m not sold on Dow and still has a little time to show me is is worth a top 3 pick but sadly I have no faith at all Polson will make it. I hope they both prove me wrong but still say it’s massive risk to prove their improvement in such a massive high pressure game we just have to win.

Plus they both are shaky with the ball and it makes for nervous viewing which I was hoping to avoid for tomorrow game.

Not anymore.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on August 29, 2020, 07:59:33 pm
Our problem all year has been our pressure all over the ground. Polson at least applies pressure.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on August 29, 2020, 08:11:17 pm
The question is, do the two changes, player for player improve the team? 3 matches Cottrell vs 40 matches Dow.  Out of form SPS replaced by a player who has shown consistent form in the scratch matches (as has Dow). Neither Kennedy or Cunningham would replace SPS at half back and we have a solid block of footy coming up where they’ll be used.  I’m comfortable.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on August 29, 2020, 08:15:05 pm
I actually do trust the selection process with Teague there, we will see.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 29, 2020, 09:10:20 pm
Our problem all year has been our pressure all over the ground. Polson at least applies pressure.

Have you even watched us this year?

We have prided ourselves on pressure, and were doing it well........3/4's of the time.

Against dogs they showed the pressure gauge in the first quarter. Dogs were 'elite', we were off the charts.
Dogs dropped right down to average (or below) and we dropped to high.

Pressure has been our strongpoint.

Getting the blokes with the whistle to signal in our favour
and
Booting through the bigger sticks
...have been our weaknesses.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on August 29, 2020, 10:07:01 pm
Melbourne beat Saints. Does that make it harder/impossible to make the 8?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 29, 2020, 10:13:57 pm
Melbourne beat Saints. Does that make it harder/impossible to make the 8?
Harder, yes.
Impossible no.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 29, 2020, 10:20:09 pm
Try this....

https://predictor.squiggle.com.au/
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on August 29, 2020, 11:49:51 pm
F king Melbourne!

In hindsight. Not fussed. We need to control our own destination.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 30, 2020, 09:33:51 am
Polson has probably been picked to go with Daicos who has been developing well for the Pies. Wonder if Dow might get a job like playing on Crisp who gets a lot of ball at half back and is a good user, Dow wouldn't be under pressure to get a lot of ball just keep Crisp quiet and pressured when he kicks down field.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 30, 2020, 09:50:32 am
Who takes Stephenson. He's the type that hurts us. Bigger mid/medium forward good mark who kicks goals.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on August 30, 2020, 10:25:31 am
If it gets down to the Filth F50 too often we lose, the battle has to be won in the middle, and then back our F50 to outscore the Filth's!

No Howe is a big plus for us given our F50 marking ability.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: moffat39 on August 30, 2020, 11:22:10 am
I am off to the game this afternoon at the Gabba. I am a Queenslander and long time Blues supporter. The weather in Brisbane is overcast with a few spots of rain about this morning. Not sure if that will have any impact. Go Blues!
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 30, 2020, 11:39:32 am
If it gets down to the Filth F50 too often we lose, the battle has to be won in the middle, and then back our F50 to outscore the Filth's!

No Howe is a big plus for us given our F50 marking ability.
Controlling Pendlebury will go a long way to winning. It was evident in the games he was out that they weren't the same side.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on August 30, 2020, 01:07:00 pm
Controlling Pendlebury will go a long way to winning. It was evident in the games he was out that they weren't the same side.

Totally agree. From what I've seen of them this season they are still heavily reliant on Sidebottom and Pendlebury for any clean ball movement. With SS out Ed should try to lock down on Pendlebury.

Varcoe and Greenwood out also leaves them a bit vulnerable. Just not sure about Polson selection. He's not the best ball user and we have O'Brien playing so well in the 2s who is a better kick.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 30, 2020, 01:13:38 pm
Pendlebury is a class act and one of the best players I have seen in terms of consistency always baffled me why so many teams including us just allow him to wander around on his own...I'd have Ed on him every minute of the game, Adams is probably under rated and needs a minder also..
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 30, 2020, 01:16:58 pm
Who takes Stephenson. He's the type that hurts us. Bigger mid/medium forward good mark who kicks goals.
Williamson maybe has the legs to keep up with him.....I wouldnt be surprised if Mayne picks Docherty up as a tag.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on August 30, 2020, 01:37:28 pm
I am off to the game this afternoon at the Gabba. I am a Queenslander and long time Blues supporter. The weather in Brisbane is overcast with a few spots of rain about this morning. Not sure if that will have any impact. Go Blues!

Enjoy.
Cheer loud and proud 💙
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on August 30, 2020, 01:52:50 pm
I am off to the game this afternoon at the Gabba. I am a Queenslander and long time Blues supporter. The weather in Brisbane is overcast with a few spots of rain about this morning. Not sure if that will have any impact. Go Blues!

Be interesting who has more fans there.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on August 30, 2020, 03:59:08 pm
Where in the hell is the in game thread?
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on August 30, 2020, 06:20:55 pm
Have you even watched us this year?

We have prided ourselves on pressure, and were doing it well........3/4's of the time.

Against dogs they showed the pressure gauge in the first quarter. Dogs were 'elite', we were off the charts.
Dogs dropped right down to average (or below) and we dropped to high.

Pressure has been our strongpoint.

Getting the blokes with the whistle to signal in our favour
and
Booting through the bigger sticks
...have been our weaknesses.

Yep our pressure is awesome!!! Good call.
Title: Re: Pre game Banter: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on August 30, 2020, 08:13:33 pm
Yep our pressure is awesome!!! Good call.

Show me a single team that has performed for all 4 quarters, for 13 weeks straight.

I'll wait.