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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #120
For what it's worth.
I'd make the obvious choice of TDK for Levi. That is a no-brainer so even our selection team couldn't stuff that one up.
I'm thinking we could also bring Newman back after 2 solid hit-outs in the magoos. Play him at HBF and release Saad to a wing? That would mean either Cottrell or Newnes comes out. I think Cottrell at least has a bit more pace so Newnes makes way.
Gibbons comes out for Honey who has a bit of speed, more height and can take a grab.
Jack is out and I would seriously bring back Dow, who shouldn't have dropped in the first place, and who I think did pretty well in the 2's and am surprised wasn't named in the best. He certainly did more than Durdin, Honey and Williamson. Just on Willo. A shadow of the bloke who looked the goods just a couple of years ago.
SPS makes way for Durdin as the medical sub. Or maybe Murphy if he has to come back.
Don't know what to do with Cripps. He is a liability at the moment but we can't even hide him up forward.
Our 2's are really pretty good. We have depth. Let's use it.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #121
My fault. I looked up the live ladder when 27pts up so see how close we were to the 8. A couple more goals would've done it. From that moment it was downhill...lol.

Ha!!  Done that many a time   (why did i go the tolilet then, i knew wicket would fall if i got up....)

 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #122
I thought newman went off with an elbow on the weekend?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #123
I thought newman went off with an elbow on the weekend?
Hurt it early but played on.

Wasn't as effective as his first week back, but the injury might have been an issue.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #124
LOB has looked good at VFL level, why not try him on a wing?

At that level LOB has that extra bit of time and his kicking is impressive.
As we've seen before it's that jump up in speed and pressure that finds him less effective.

Still if he does perform he should get another go.
A couple more games and we should see the start of "try-outs" for a spot on the list next year. ;)

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #125

Jack is out and I would seriously bring back Dow, who shouldn't have dropped in the first place.

We need to replace like for like with Jack and I think that Matthew Kennedy is the way to go.  Can mark overhead, can tackle and can kick straight

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #126
We need to replace like for like with Jack and I think that Matthew Kennedy is the way to go.  Can mark overhead, can tackle and can kick straight
I like Matt Kennedy but like LOB I think his papers are stamped.....I'd use Cripps forward more this week, he will have Harmes for company or Oliver
and I think its time to get proactive rather than reactive. Cripps might not be able to kick straight but he will cause matchup issues if he plays forward
and might throw the Dees defense out a bit if someone like Lever has to take him.
Give some more responsibility to one of Dow and Setterfield to take some of Cripps time in the middle and get them to grow their game.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #127
From Jay Clark in the HS, a breakdown of what happened and when:

How did the disaster play out? Jay Clark takes an in-depth look at each goal and what went wrong for the Blues.

3 MIN 15 SEC REMAINING Q3

Josh Bruce goal

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A Liam Stocker turnover in the middle of the ground was costly as Caleb Daniel found Lachie Hunter all alone with a surgical kick to the forward flank. Hunter, who played on with a broken hand, kicked long to Josh Bruce who outmarked Lachie Plowman 15m from goal.

1 MIN 30 SEC REM Q3

Aaron Naughton goal

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What an effort from the Dogs’ star spearhead. Naughton produced a desperate chase on Adam Saad to force the Blues’ speedster into a kicking error and then took a big pack mark at the top of the goal square from the kick back inside 50m from Easton Wood. It was a strong grab from Naughton who plucked the ball either side of Jacob Weitering and Liam Jones in the marking contest.

15 MIN 20 SEC REM Q4

Lachie Hunter goal

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The Blues were pinned down in their back half when Adam Saad gave away two free kicks. Saad first pushed Lachie McNeil in the back and then caught Lachie Hunter high as the Dogs’ ballwinner swivelled and leant in with his head to draw the high contact 35m from goal. Nice set shot from Hunter to slot his second major.

13 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4

Marcus Bontempelli goal

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The Dogs built this one up from half back where Bailey Dale hit Caleb Daniel with a 50m bullet to the wing. Zaine Cordy and Mitch Hannan linked up on the wing before skipper Marcus Bontempelli took another contested mark at the top of the goal square in front of Liam Jones. Josh Bruce bodied Liam Stocker out of the way so Stocker couldn’t spoil from the side and there was no other aerial support for Jones. Also no Carlton player stood the mark for the Bontempelli set shot from point blank range.

7 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4

Aaron Naughton goal

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A loopy kick from Michael Gibbons on the wing was quickly repelled as Marcus Bontempelli off two steps produced a dazzling pass to Jason Johannisen tight on the boundary line. Johannisen then kicked to the advantage of Naughton who was too strong for Matthew Parks over the back in a one-on-one marking contest. The 35m set shot continued the Dogs’ hot run.

6 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4

Anthony Scott goal

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Adam Treloar fought hard inside the centre square to continue the annihilation out of the middle. Jack Macrae showed great vision to find Caleb Daniel with another brilliant Bulldogs’ handpass to set up Taylor Duryea 10m in front of Liam Stocker on the forward flank. Lachie McNeil roved the long kick in off the back of the pack and unselfishly handballed to Anthony Scott who goaled from close in on the run. The Carlton back line was under siege.

5 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4

Josh Bruce goal

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Marc Pittonet grabbed it out of the ruck and kicked long but Caleb Daniel continued his excellent second half with a one-handed intercept mark. Patrick Lipinski, Bailey Smith and Anthony Scott then burned off their Carlton opponents spreading hard to the edges of the Marvel Stadium turf to bring the ball forward. Josh Bruce had no opponent in the forward pocket and finished the play with a curling left foot snap.

1 MIN 55 SEC REM Q4

Patrick Lipinski goal

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The Dogs went the full length of the ground for their eighth-straight goal. Josh Bruce took the crucial contested mark on the wing, making Liam Jones pay for going the mark instead of a spoil from behind. Ruckman Jordon Sweet won a contested ball at ground level to release Marcus Bontempelli who delivered another gem of a pass on the left foot to hit Patrick Lipinski in space deep in attack.
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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #128
The fact that we were run down in the last quarter and a bit like so much Navy Blue roadkill should not obscure the fact that for almost 3 quarters we had the measure of what is indisputably superior opposition. It took their best player (and arguably best or 2nd best in the comp) giving the best individual performance of anyone this season to ignite them.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #129
Give me 5 occasions where pit tapped the ball to put mids clear advantage. Just 5 is all I’m asking for.  Give me the quarter and the time. Issue is you
can’t do it cause it didn’t happen.
Taps without ‘to advantage’ is rubbish talk.

Spin it anyway you want, they had their starting ruck and their backup ruck both out and out guy was still unable to give our mids any tap to advantage.

He is miles off AFL Standard and this is the 2nd week he has a unknown kid as an opponent and he failed to assist us.
Sorry but I call it as I see it not as the stats tell me.
I know you like him and that’s fine- he does compete hard at ground level gives but he is miles off the standard as a tap ruckman - miles off it.
Our mids have to fight and slog it out for every possession they win in the middle. Be nice if they got a few easy takeaways like most other mids receive but it won’t happen till TDK comes in.
Hitouts win rate
Pittonet - 50.8
Sweet - 25

Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 8
Sweet - 4

Hitout to advantage rate
Pittonet - 24.2
Sweet - 23.5

So he got his hand to the ball more.
When he did get his hand to the ball he found a teammate as often as Sweet did when he got his hand to the ball. That is, they were equally effective finding a teammate when they got their hand to the ball......but Pittonet did it more often, and thus had more 'to advantage' than Sweet.

So stats are clear as day.

I like him, but i'm not suggesting he is an elite ruck across the board.

However, as far as tap work. Last year he was listed as 'Elite'.
This year he is listed as 'above average'.
You know what, i'll take that. Thats why i stick up for him when someone calls for his head because his stats are not as bad as the 'supporters' are making out. Quite the opposite in fact.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #130
Not sure what we are doing with Stocker, attacks the footy well but can look a bit lost at times and I'd get him out of the backline
and run him on the ball where he played his best footy at U18 level.
Appreciate he hasnt had much footy but when you have a backline getting assaulted like ours was its not fair on the kid and Id swap him out and get Williams or Newman back there who are defensive specialists.
SPS didnt work as a defender and I think its time re-educate the educators on how not every young mid has to spend time down back getting their confidence wrecked.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #131
Not sure what we are doing with Stocker, attacks the footy well but can look a bit lost at times and I'd get him out of the backline
and run him on the ball where he played his best footy at U18 level.
Appreciate he hasnt had much footy but when you have a backline getting assaulted like ours was its not fair on the kid and Id swap him out and get Williams or Newman back there who are defensive specialists.
SPS didnt work as a defender and I think its time re-educate the educators on how not every young mid has to spend time down back getting their confidence wrecked.
We are still lacking a small, lockdown defender.

Not many players i can see on our list who are really capable of it, but i've come up with 2.

1. Ed Curnow.
He is getting older, and perhaps we need him to sacrifice his game for the team, playing deep in defence might be an option worth looking into. He'd be perfect for Dusty types who go middle and forward at their leisure.

2. Matt Cottrell
I've said he is the most likely to take over from Curnow as a tagger (good tank, loves contact, never says die) but if we don't want to move Curnow back, perhaps we use Cottrell there instead.

Either way, its 1 less 'mid' which allows us to try Stocker, SPS or whoever else we are forcing to play a secondary role instead of their favoured midfield role.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #132
We are still lacking a small, lockdown defender.

Not many players i can see on our list who are really capable of it, but i've come up with 2.

1. Ed Curnow.
He is getting older, and perhaps we need him to sacrifice his game for the team, playing deep in defence might be an option worth looking into. He'd be perfect for Dusty types who go middle and forward at their leisure.

2. Matt Cottrell
I've said he is the most likely to take over from Curnow as a tagger (good tank, loves contact, never says die) but if we don't want to move Curnow back, perhaps we use Cottrell there instead.

Either way, its 1 less 'mid' which allows us to try Stocker, SPS or whoever else we are forcing to play a secondary role instead of their favoured midfield role.
Reckon Ed would do the lockdown bit ok but using the footy deep down back by foot would worry me in a Liam Jones type of way....Dogs got Duryea for nothing we need that type of moneyball pickup to come our away with a small lockdown defender.
The Cottrell idea has merit though as he is a sensible player, not a bad kick and happy to sacrifice his game...

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #133
Further to the Pittonet defending....
Apparantly Nick Bryan beat him last week too

Hitouts
Pittonet - 35
Bryan - 18

Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 10
Bryan - 2

Hitouts to advantage rate
Pittonet - 28.6
Bryan - 11.1

So beaten 2 weeks in a row in the ruck is complete and utter BS.

FWIW, season stats for hitouts to advantage AFL wide....
1. Grundy - 106
2. Gawn - 92
3. Natanui - 87
4. Pittonet - 86 (a mere 1 behind the hitout to adavantage king!)
*daylight*
5. Lycett - 63

If you go by hitout to advantage AVERAGE
1. Gundy - 13.8
=2. Gawn - 11.5
=2. Ryder - 11.5
4. Natanui - 10.9
5. Pittonet - 10.8
6. Phillips - 10.0

So.......case closed.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #134
Reckon Ed would do the lockdown bit ok but using the footy deep down back by foot would worry me in a Liam Jones type of way....Dogs got Duryea for nothing we need that type of moneyball pickup to come our away with a small lockdown defender.
The Cottrell idea has merit though as he is a sensible player, not a bad kick and happy to sacrifice his game...
FWIW, Harry identified a few blokes who he'd like to have kicking to him when he is on the lead and he brought up Cottrell as being one of the better kicks.....which i thought was a little suprising, but there you go.