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Robert Heatley Stand / Jim Park Voting 2025 AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Collingwood
Voting is as usual: you have 15 votes to award pretty much as you will, with the following provisos:
[1] 15 votes in total, no more, no less.
[2] No more than 10 votes for any one player (even Sam Walsh or Patrick Cripps)
[3] Three players at least must get a mention.
[4] A grade for the game, A+ (what I want to see) to F-.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Our line-up:

Carlton
B: 15 Sam Docherty  23 Jacob Weitering  2 Lachlan Cowan
HB: 4 Oliver Hollands  26 Nick Haynes  5 Adam Cerra
C: 14 Orazio Fantasia  9 Patrick Cripps  13 Blake Acres
HF:  3 Jesse Motlop  11 Mitch McGovern  8 Lachie Fogarty
F:  6 Zac Williams  30 Charlie Curnow  43 Ashton Moir
R: 12 Tom De Koning  36 Cooper Lord  29 George Hewett
Int:  32 Matthew Carroll  45 Flynn Young  44 Francis Evans  22 Harry O'Farrell  27 Marc Pittonet

Em:  35 Billy Wilson  19 Corey Durdin  33 Lewis Young

My comments:
[1] Cincotta: I understand why he was dropped; his form has been ordinary. He hasn't been shutting his opponent down and hasn't provided much himself. Disappointing, as he is one of the few run-with players we really have, but understandable. I would like to see him get some form sooner rather than later.
But it begs the question: who are we going to play on Daicos? We need someone to shut him down.
[2] Billy Wilson: maybe a bit stiff, but he will be back.
[3] Jordan Boyd: he definitely appears to be on the outer. Considering how he played last year, it is very disappointing to see him as he is. On the other hand, Matt Carroll does appear to have a future.
[4] Pitto in: If Tom had been playing well, I probably wouldn't have picked Pitto, as they don't appear to play well together. However, Tom has been pretty ordinary of late and was outplayed by Sweet and Visentini last week, which was embarrassing. Pitto is no superstar, but he does give his all and he is a power option against Cameron, who has played well against us recently.
[5] We will miss Silvagni, but I'm glad we didn't play him half fit. That didn't work last week, not at all.
[6] I hope Weitering is fit, as he is going to have his work cut out for him.
[7] I know Evans played well last week (and the previous one), but I'm not sure he has what it takes. Well, I guess we'll find out.
[8] Will our players give a damn? We certainly haven't the last few weeks.
[9] We do have a lot of guys who need to lift; Cripps, Acres, Charlie Curnow, Fog and Cerra to name but a few.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Analysis 2025
AFL 2025 Rd 14:   Carlton vs West Coast/color]
The first quarter and 3/4's was excellent. After that, it was a slog.

Trends:
[1]   There were 10 voters this round, which is worse than we usually get for a loss. A sign of things to come? Or just because the game was interstate. It took me a long time to see it all, as I was in hospital for the whole game. :( It sort of described my weekend!
 Please do voteplease do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!

[2]   The rating was a 7.77, which represents a C-, shows how disappointed the voters were even with a win. Considering how they felt in the next 2 weeks ...

[3]   14 players managed a mention this week, which is a little low for modern wins. We often get 16 or more when we actually play 4 quarters.

[4]   The average vote this week was 25, which is about as low as a win ever goes.

[5]   3 players managed 100 votes or more this week. It might have been more if more people had voted, but it does show the malaise we've experienced this season.

[6]   George Hewett was BOG again this round, for the 4th time this year, with 326 votes, followed by Adam Cerra with 186 and Ollie Hollands with 132. Ollie has 2 top 3 finishes so far this season.

[7]   One player managed votes from everyone this week, George Hewett. Ollie missed from 1 voter, while the rest were all over the place.

[8]   Again, our youngsters made some contribution this week, led by Ollie Hollands and Jaxon Binns.

[9]   This was a round where our mids and defenders shone out. Our forwards, not so much. I much rather an even performance, but our forwards have struggled this year.

Votes:
Hewett, George  326
Cerra, Adam  186
Hollands, Oliver  132
de Koning, Tom  97
Cincotta, Alex  82
Binns, Jaxon  82
McGovern, Mitchell  70
Fogarty, Lachlan  54
Haynes, Nick  43
Weitering, Jacob  31
Saad, Adam  23
William, Zac  19
Cripps, Patrick  12
Carroll, Matthew  8

Progressive Voting:
2569  George Hewett
1500  Tom de Koning
1425  Patrick Cripps
1359 Adam Cerra
1043   Sam Walsh
919  Jacob Weitering
847  Ollie Hollands
846  Jack Silvagni
650   Nick Haynes
563  Adam Saad
546  Harry McKay
321  Charlie Curnow
281  Jesse Motlop
279  Mitch McGovern
275  Brodie Kemp
234   Sam Docherty
215  Corey Durdin
176  Cooper Lord
156  Zac Williams
123  Blake Acres
118  Jaxon Binns
118  Lachie Fogarty
107  Lewis Young
105   Alex Cincotta
79   Matthew Cottrell
72   Elijah Holland
32   Will White
25 Matthew Carroll
21   Lucas Camporeale
14   Marc Pittonet
6   Harry O'Farrell
3   Lachie Cowan
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Voting 2025 AFL Rd 14 Carlton vs West Coast
AFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs West Coast
Team:   B
The first half was brilliant; the rest was just a slog. How we can play that well some of the time and so poorly at other times I cannot understand.

Votes:
[3]   George Hewett
[2]   Adam Cerra
[1.5]   Jaxon Binns
[1.5]   Tom de Koning
[1]   Adam Saad
[1]   Mitch McGovern
[1]   Jacob Weitering
[1]   Lachie Fogarty
[1]   Ollie Hollands
[0.5]   Nick Haynes
[0.5]   Alex Cincotta
[0.5]   Zac Williams
[0.5]   Patrick Cripps

Explanations:
[3]   George Hewett   35 possessions, 7 clearances and 4 tackles says it all.
[2]   Adam Cerra:      One of his best games of the year; 30 possessions.
[1.5]   Jaxon Binns:      Probably his best game in our colours.
[1.5]   Tom de Koning:   Pretty good from Tom, especially early.
[1]   Adam Saad:      One of Saad’s better games for the year.
[1]   Mitch McGovern:   Held up his end and kicked some important goals.
[1]   Jacob Weitering:   Very strong in defence.
[1]   Lachie Fogarty   One of Fog’s most effective games.
[1]   Ollie Hollands:      Gut running, Ollie is coming along nicely.
[0.5]   Nick Haynes:      Another strong game in defence.
[0.5]   Alex Cincotta:      His best game for the year.
[0.5]   Zac Williams:      Did some nice things.
[0.5]   Patrick Cripps:      Only 21 possessions, but 4 clearances and 4 tackles.

Honourable Mentions:
Sam Docherty:      Got a lot of the ball.
Blake Acres:         Much improved over his recent form, but clearly not 100 % yet.
Jack Silvagni:         Solid
Matthew Carroll:      Liked the run the provided from defence.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
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Anyone know where EH is at? I think his class is sorely missed in the team?

No official word, but rumour has it he's out for the year.
Other rumours suggest he might not be wanted back next year.
Indeed, very difficult to know where Elijah Hollands is at. There have been rumours, some ugly, but no real data to grab hold of. There also seem to be those who think he won't be back.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
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We got to see more of Moir's footy IQ. Much better game. Put his hand up.

Frankie E was dangerous and also put his hand up, which probably means we'll promote Durdin.

Liked Charleson's game, coming along nicely. Not yet.

For mine, Lemmey still doesn't have enough 'authority' in his game... close, though. Nothing to lose giving him serious consideration - give him a taste. We already know what we're getting with Young (the obvious spot to be filled by Lemmey).


Evans is not fast enough, big enough or good enough for AFL - He is well suited to the VFL where he can tackle players who are standing still or who are slower than he is and not expecting to be run down.

Also like Charleson's poise and skills - might be a good player next year.

Also liked Moir's ability to take a contested mark (or two) - unlike Lemmey, a one-trick player with limited mobility who needs to be given the ball by way of an uncontested mark or a free kick.  At least he can kick the ball effectively but I doubt we have the senior players who can kick it to his advantage.

I Finally saw something useful from Monahan - seemed to have some poise and an idea of what was required of him - handball skills also seemed quite good - might still make a player if he is persevered with
Rob Monahan: Indeed, Monahan seems to be learning. His skills are still a bit hit and miss, especially by foot. His handball can be quite good. He is gaining in game awareness.
Matt Duffy: Further down the path than Monahan was last year, but you can tell he's still learning his craft. That said, while he isn't getting much ball, his opponents aren't either. He spent time on the Port resting rucks and did pretty well there, also on Jim Miller, the Port FF. Touched 2 kicks that would otherwise have been goals.

Harry Charleson: his best game so far, and he has definitely been on the improve. His kicking is deep and he isn't slow. Developing nicely.

As others have already noted, Ashton Moir was good last night. He is more engaged in the game and running out the game better. he isn't getting out-bodied so easily. His kicking is excellent and he is looking dangerous when he is in the centre square. His tackles count is up and he is holding onto more marks.
He still has a fair way to go, but his development, even compared to earlier this season, is obvious.

I liked Cowan's game. Now, if only he plays with that dash in the seniors!

Flynn Riley: as others have mentioned, his last half was much better than his first. He started holding onto some very nice contested grabs and he tried to move the ball on quite well. Even his ruck craft was improved. I guess it had to be: he was very ordinary early.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
I wouldn't have been promoting Ben Camporeale on his 1st quarter and a bit; he looked off the pace and not as desperate as the Port guys were. He ended up with 22 possessions, 4 clearances and 10 tackles, so he must have upped his game considerably.

Lucas Camporeale was awful early, playing like the seniors, dropping marks and miskicking the ball, unable to score. His 15 disposals was disappointing, as he has a good pair of hands and a good leap when he is confident.

Pitto: he was leaving much of the ruckwork to Riley early, and Riley was getting flogged, but for a nice clearance in the second quarter that ended up in a goal. The most unimpressive game I've seen from the youngster to that point. He ended up with 10 possessions and 9 taps.
Pitto was ordinary early; he gave up the chase, which almost led to a Port goal. He had 1 tap in the first quarter and a bit, but ended up with 41 taps, 17 possessions, 4 clearances and 4 tackles. He really pulled the finger out!

Frankie Evans might get promoted on that effort: 24 possessions, 8 tackles, 7 marks, 3 goals 2. I don't know that he is good enough, to be honest, but our small forwards have been so ordinary it wouldn't be like he would be worse. If he does this for the seniors, he'll get more games.

Will White has really gone off the boil. 16 possessions, 1 goal 2, 3 tackles is an improvement, but he was doing much better than that last year.