Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 03, 2025, 08:02:58 pm

It might be as simple as too many younger players and underdone seniors.  Cincotta played poorly last week but he wasn't the lone ranger.

Doc Gov Charlie Acres De Koning to name a few were worse than Cincotta.

Quote from: LP – on July 03, 2025, 05:32:32 pm

We've seen a roll out of a change in tactics, and it's fine, but it's new and we haven't seen it capably implemented yet at AFL level, we are doing it in bursts and as we go we are learning about opposition countertactics.

For a long time we bemoaned the apparent absence of a Plan B, now we have it some fans want it thrown out because we aren't getting an instant result, but it's new and fans need to be patient.

I'm not nearly as upset about the tactics and coaching as I am about the poor implementation, because where it falls down are in the execution of basic skills.

We only need one or two quick players, or one or two quality bilateral players, and time and space opens up for everybody and you'll see the basic errors diminish. This is what the likes of Daicos, Pendelbury and Sidebottom bring to the Filth.

In the past, our slower endurance and strength based list missed a massive trick, they all should have been incessantly training their offside and the lack of leg speed would be a non-issue, like it's a non-issue for Sidebottom and Pendlebury. If our list had developed 80% of Diesel's handball skills and the same percentage of Scotland's kicking they be laughing, but it's too late as 28 year olds!

The idea that someone like Saad can make it through a whole AFL career and still be effectively a unilateral ball user is a condemnation on our club and the AFL system in general. It's a fundamental high level skill that is almost completely absent in our list.

Im not seeing any plan B, just the same old rolling stoppage play, chip it around sideways, backwards then the bombed kick forward or glory pass that gets picked off. Its still that Soviet era stuff that lacks dare, run and any method of longer connection that leaves our forwards manned up and contesting vs multiple players and then when they do get the ball its a 50/50 on the accuracy for goal but thats another story.

“But I feel like we’ve got the right group of people at the club to really band together and stick together.

“And we’ve got your mob this week, mate, so it’s always a big clash, big rivalry, which usually brings out the best in both sides.”

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 01, 2025, 06:35:39 pm

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

Quote from: Professer E – on June 29, 2025, 06:39:28 pm

That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.

If that is true, it suggests that the gap between the AFL and VFL has widened considerably since David Teague coached the Northern Blues to a couple of VFL finals series.

After 9 or 10 separate attempts, the “wrong bloke” ship has well and truly sailed. Are people seriously believing that if McRae was our coach we would be sitting 13-2 on the ladder?

Quote from: Thryleon – on June 27, 2025, 07:39:08 pm

@cookie2

We are coach killers because we are impatient. 

I cant think of a club thats had as many coaches as we have in such a short period.  Going back to 99.

Parkin
Britain
Pagan
Ratten
Malthouse
Barker
Bolton
Teague
Voss
Hansen *1 game covering voss absence.

10 senior coaches in 25 years.  An average of 2.5 years each.  This is worse, when you consider it's been 4 years of voss, it was 4 years of Bolton and 5 years of Ratten.

Some have churned through a few, but there's a theme.  Who's another basket case for most of this century?

Melbourne.  They've had 7 senior coaches.  Who else?  Freo?  4.

Who else?  Essendon and the saints equal our record.

There's a theme there.  Crap clubs, lots of off field controversy and instability (financial penalties too) and a complete and utter failure to achieve anything since the year 2000 with st.kilda getting an asterisk for a brief period of being a bridesmaid, but more often than not, these clubs miss finals.

Maybe we just keep picking the wrong ones.  If its just the club that is the issue im guessing a lot of the young coaches in that group went on to success.

Not one did. 

We had a choice of Kingsley, McRae and Voss. We picked the biggest name in the pack despite his previous record being average at best.

Word was Pies had Voss ranked last in the process.

The rest is history