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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R2 Richmond V Carlton - Prematch
On what I saw on saturday night, its likely to end up a win for us.  The tigers will let our better players win the game for us, because they dont have a defensive side to them.  We at least look accountable, even if Stupid.  Mclean without an opponent will murder the Tigers (like he did last time) whilst Cotchin will have Curnow all night.  Id run Yarran or Armfield (if fit on Deledio) and put in Graham who should wrack them up easily enough.  I would also look at Cachia in as frankly he is better at stoppages than both Bell and Robinson who might be big units, but have no idea how to use the football.

We were pretty ordinary last night, but Port did a good job of nullifying us, whilst we helped them with some poor decision making and poor execution.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 - BEST on ground
Ellard, Curnow and Waite for me.

I cant give Yarran a win for stopping wingard.  Wingard had it 22 times.

Stopping a small forward is what whoever did what they did to Jeffy Garlett.  He gave us his impersonation of the invisible man all night. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 - WORST on ground
Robinson was the worst on field for me.

For every one action he does well, he does two poorly and then makes it worse by charging in like a wounded ball knowing that he has stuffed up.  This just leads to him playing erratic footy and being more liability.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Rate Your Enthusiasm Level For Season 2014
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I still say last year's final was as much fun as I've had in a long time.

I dont know about a LONG time...but at least since the final agaisnt the bombers. ;)

+1

Hard to tell where the chips will fall this year.  Watched Freo systematically slaughter Collingwood (expected), GWS surprised Sydney but Im confident something went wrong for Sydney as they didnt even score in the final quarter.  Rewind to our EF, suggests Sydney lacks run and possibly fitness.  GC were good but I think Richmond helped them look good.  They are one way front running squibs who cannot run out four quarters, and their ball use was deplorable. 

I will wait to pass judgement further but Richmond are a team not playing for each other and it shows.  Undisciplined, playing for free kicks and whinging a lot.  Prestia and Swallow ran amock whilst Gablett had numerous opponents that couldnt touch him. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad - Pre-Match Postulating
Tonights game shows that aside from trends you cannot learn much from preseason.

Only meaningful trend that i can see is that we dont score easily.  Not new information but I would guess we are efficient with our scoring where we score off minimal entries inside fifty.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Rate Your Enthusiasm Level For Season 2014
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From what I can see going in quick and direct relying in big men taking marks appears to be the way footy is going.

One thing is sure this year will make or break for Levi/Rowe
Pearce, Crowely & Ballantyne in double figures tonight.  The big boys pretty quiet.

Scoring shots and transitioning.  Rucks have been important and Pavlich could and should have kicked 4 or 5.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad - Pre-Match Postulating
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Thats not it.

There are multiple reasons:

1.  Setting an equality of treatment to eliminate resentment amongst the players.
2.  Setting an example regarding what levels players are to achieve at "reserve" level before they get opportunities at senior level.
3.  Making sure we are not carrying Judd for any period of the game.  Sure, he might give you ten minutes of stirling stuff that will be the difference between winning and losing, but if we have to carry him and play with in effect a man down in order just to have him out on the park, thats a loss.
4.  Keeping the pressure off Judd so when he does return he isnt "the man" and the players will hopefully help him come back.

Not sure how you lose when you win but I'm interested in the practicalities of all this rather than a fluffy ideal. Rigid rules that defy logic and leave everyone scratching their head at some decisions aren't building culture, they're allowing process to trump common sense.

Who would Judd keep out of the side that deserves his spot? White, Bootsma, McInnes?

(BTW, if mods are reading, this should probably be in it's own thread as it's not relevant to the PA game and an interesting enough topic/scenario to warrant it)

Not sure how we lose if we win?  Fair enough, but what if we dont win and Judd wasn't ready to give us anything but his last couple of seasons average performances where he was barely racking up 15 - 20 touches and most of it under duress? 

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=386

Scroll down and look at his averages through the year.  Statistically and based on output, Judd's 2013 was one of his poorest ever seasons (rivalled probably only by 2012) and the Judd we get back at first will be of a lesser than this standard until he gets a good run of games into him (something that has not occurred for quite a while now).   I know how good he can be where I said what I said.

Think back to the drawn game vs Essendon in 2011 in round 4 where Henderson was played before he was ready.  Did that decision cost us the game?  If so, would we have stood a better chance to win without Henderson?  I would answer yes to that question and Henderson shouldnt have played.  The thing is, better planning would have allowed us to not be hindsight champions, and instead we would have simply stated he wasnt ready and moved on.

You cant simply question the thought process using Bootsma or Mccinnes as an example.  They are not midfielders and Judd is.

What if we dropped Mitch Robinson for Judd's inclusion?  We dont get class from Robinson, but what we do get is effort, and contest after contest.  Tom Bell?  Nick Graham? Cripps? Menzel? David Ellard?  Cachia? Chris Yarran (not cemented in our best 22 yet)?  Contributers all of them in their own right, but no where near Judd's class.  I suppose the question that you are asking, is if Judd's class is enough to compensate for the effort the aformentioned bring to a performance.  You could argue a case for him to do it off the subs bench but then I ask you the following question surrounding practicalities.  What if we lose a man early, and Judd then has to play 3 or 4 quarters without being sure if he is even ready to?

What do we lose with him coming back through the reserves vs what do we have to gain?  If Judd is not in great form and questionably at full fitness its probably a stalemate at best at this point of his career as we have seen based on his last couple of seasons that he is now a cameo player and no longer the main event aside from very few matches or worse still very few quarters.  Meanwhile what we definately gain is a player the calibre of Chris Judd showing the way for any players trying to break into our best 22 and that is something that we have not had for a long long time.

The opportunity cost of playing Judd first up, is simply one less game we get into our youngsters that we are going to rely on moving forward.  The only caveate on that, is that they need to be ready to play AFL and just given games for the sake of it.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Missing Plane, really ?
Thats easy to explain Carrots.

Communication was lost with the plane suddenly and without incident.  If the issue had to do with their ability to communicate, no signal would have been sent/received even if it was sent.

Until they check the black box, they wont know for sure whether or not the people operating the plane tried to send a signal.  Contrary to popular belief, these sorts of systems are not bullet proof.

We have a higher expectation on things due to technological advancement but communications are as prone to something simple like interference as they ever have been, and due to saturation of new technologies and faster networks, they might be more prone to interference and less stable accordingly.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad - Pre-Match Postulating
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Agreed.  No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos.  Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.

Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group.  No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.

Agree. He is a good enough player to just walk back in but we have send a message, however I still can't see him playing twos. The powers that be wont let it happen and they will want him there against the Tigers if he is close enough.

What's the message? Who is Judd keeping out of the side who deserves his spot? Bootsma?

Thats not it.

There are multiple reasons:

1.  Setting an equality of treatment to eliminate resentment amongst the players.
2.  Setting an example regarding what levels players are to achieve at "reserve" level before they get opportunities at senior level.
3.  Making sure we are not carrying Judd for any period of the game.  Sure, he might give you ten minutes of stirling stuff that will be the difference between winning and losing, but if we have to carry him and play with in effect a man down in order just to have him out on the park, thats a loss.
4.  Keeping the pressure off Judd so when he does return he isnt "the man" and the players will hopefully help him come back.

Culture, it takes roughly 100 actions to build it, and it only takes one (such as giving a fading star preferential treatment) to really destroy it.

If it happens that Judd works his way back into full fitness just training then so be it, but there is no practise like match practise and we have not see the best of C. Judd for a couple of seasons now (or when we have, it has been sparingly).

I wouldnt force him to come back through the VFL, but I would at least contemplate doing it, and much of the decision will be made by how the senior team is travelling without him before we make that call IMHO.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: What have we learnt from this preseason?
I have to say, I thought Bootsma did some good stuff against the Kanga's in nab challenge game.

Went up third man and spoiled often for a few 1 percenters.

That being said, I think we have a few players in the same boat as him where they are neither here nor there, and cannot be relied upon to hold down a position.

Kane Lucas is another.

Too many blokes who are not good enough to even pinch hit at this point.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: R1 vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad - Pre-Match Postulating
Agreed.  No player should be too good to get their fitness back in the twos.  Fark me, Daisy Thomas did it at Pie land trying to come back last year, and even Luke Hodge was required to do the same thing.

Culturally speaking, we would benefit greatly from him coming back through the twos, as it sends a message to the group.  No one is a walk up start, and dont take your position for granted.