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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Best 22 for 2014
Maybe although PCL injuries may have caused him some grief.  He is more centre half forward than anything else.

MK? I'm not so sure. Once teams worked out his issues with body contact in marking contests, it was over.

Na we were talking about Casboult.

At the end of the day, both of them are what they are, and were hurt more by the lack of other forward targets than their abilities to play forward.

Matty Kreuzer was going well when Fev was down there, and his drop in ability to play forward just happened to coincide with Fev's departure.  You get Waite and Hendo down there, and I reckon Kreuzer will come to the fore with his ability to play forward.

Ditto Casboult.  He is a big lug of a bloke who struggles by himself, and the answer is, opposing defences are able to cope better.  The best talls in the game today always seem to have other targets sharing forward fifty with them to make them play one out.  That is the key to making a key forward shine.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2014 - Strugglers
It's is absolutely the case that a Crowley tagger type will give Judd the odd "accidental" kick in the achilles at times during the coming season.

If you think that stuff doesn't happen, watch footage of blokes like Brown and Baker.

If a bloke has a perceived weakness, they will test it, that is how the achilles got it's name!

Robinson has his uses and needs to be one to take a Crowley out if it need be. Robinson and Bell need to be used well and their body strength and sizes need to be taken advantage of. In the case of Robinson, his courage and will to hurt a player.

I think clubs are now well aware of how Crowley plays and I expect him and his ilk to get a lot more physical treatment this season, I fully expect to hear and read Ross Lyon complaining about how Crowley is being attacked off the ball and manhandled by opposition players at ball ups etc.
I can see the Mark Yeates/Dermott Brereton scenerio happening with Crowley, Hocking etc and being lined up at ball ups and meeting with some physical players like Robinson, Bell and even Kruezer/Casboult etc...good coaches wont allow star players to be kept out of games by this type of negating and I can see the tactics changing this season.

You might be right there EB, however with reduced interchange, I can see the old run them into the ground argument coming to the fore.  The best way to deal with Crowley, is to push him out of the contest.  These days Murphy is tagged first, and so, the best way to fix it is to rotate him in and out of contests and resting in different parts of the ground.  Crowley is a good tagger, but now with the reduced interchanges, guys like him will struggle IMHO.

Interestingly enough, this is where Aaron Joseph might have been worth retaining as he is one of those players that can tag a bloke and has good running ability so only the absolute guns will really be able to shake him.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Winter Olympics
Its culture.  Its what we are used to.

We are Carlton supporters. Give us ball sports and we are happy.  The best we will get entertained by at the Winter Games, is Ice Hockey.  The rest of it, is not for us.

Im sure Melbourne Fans would be amused by it all and are relishing it.

Getting serious, people who enjoy these sorts of activities will really like the winter games.  Like the Summer games, most of us are hardly amused unless we have a particular sport of interest.  Thats fair enough.  The actual vision we get showed is hard to watch.  I like to watch events, these days its spot the aussie (understandable), so you have no idea how well or poorly they are going unless the judges tell you so or they focus on that event for a little while.  Proper sports fans, dislike that approach to Olympic broadcasts as far as Im concerned as its glorified advertising and insulting to our intelligence.  I have not appreciated the Olympics as a spectacle since the early 90's, and that was due to the format they used to use to display the games.  They showed us events.  Sure, you get snippets here and there now, but its annoying and hard for a sports fan to watch.  Other people will have a different opinion, and thats fair enough too.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Is that Sports Doctor still in da house?
In my opinion, they all are flawed, yet understandably so.

No matter how many people you treat, every body is different.  Some people respond well, others do not.  Some people have underlying conditions that have been ignored for years, others do not.

The first thing you should be thinking before seeking advice, is that people are fallible, and this is especially true of the medical industry.  They will make mistakes.  Often the reason for that, is that people are creatures of habit, and therefore repeat their approach to diagnosing anything.  So, you go see a new doctor, and will get frustrated by the same questions, and the same answers, and the same process.  This is just them doing what they do.  Getting all the information possible.

At the end of the day, no two injuries are quite the same also.  In this own thread, you will have multiple people who have had multiple injuries to the meniscus.  Mine was a hairline tear, which didnt require surgery, but ten years on, probably does due to a build up in scar tissue and randomized swelling (so random, its not a frequent occurrence).  You wont find anyone send me in for an operation, they will start with physio, but realistically speaking, I know my body, and I know where I am at.

I keep doing damage to my shoulders.  Yet, on scans, no problems show, and my issue can be resolved by physio and strengthening.  That is inaccurate.  The strengthening exercises cause excessive pain, yet are manageable, but as soon as I hurt myself again (be it within 6 months or 2 years) I am forced to begin rehab again.  Given AW's issues and what finally solved them and he has been relatively good since, I am of the opinion that his surgery might be required in my case.  Im not an athlete, so the medics will only get there when all other options have been exhausted, but I have been battling with these issues for 6-7 years now, and had I been a proffesional, I would have gone in for an operation already.  Nup, amateur league player, amateur league treatments.

Realistically speaking, you can get advice from as many different people as possible regarding your injuries, but no one will know your body as well as you do.  They will look at a scan, and see a bone, or a cartilidge tear, or something, but they will not know how that feels, and you are the only one who knows that.  I would persist with my treatments, but I dont have the time or the energy so I just go to the gym, and avoid activities that are going to really hurt me.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Best 22 for 2014
199?

Wow, thats a bit of a growth spurt.  He started off about 196 from memory, possibly 197.  In any case, that puts him in the frame of short ruckman, so that can only be a good thing.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Poluting the Moon
I understand everyone's perspective, I started this thread because of the irony surrounding the breakdown of the Chinese Lunar Rover (Yutu, aka Jade Rabbit).

This was a center piece of China's superior technologies, faster, better, cheaper than the rest. Yet in just a few days of operation it failed sitting on the lunar landscape like a piece of rubble in a junk yard.

No doubt just getting it there was a tough gig, but this wasn't some mass produced piece of cheap disposable utility or gadget. It was a beacon of technology, and it is b0rked prematurely.

Contrast this with NASA, JSA and ESO projects. Many had design lives of months or years and still work a decade after their design life.

This comparison tells us something, we should take note!

What about the US rocket that didnt even make it out of the atmosphere?

Problems occur.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Poluting the Moon
Touching on LP's description of generational upward mobile, yada yada yada, that seems to be evident of all the youngsters in modern society.  Its not cultural, it seems to be generational, and global at that.

AS for Japan vs China manufacturing.

Japan have always been traditionally strong manufacturers.  Yamaha (audio and motorcycle) Honda, Sony, Toshiba, Fujitsu, Kawasaki, Isuzu, Suzuki, Toyota, Lexus.  All of it prestigious and quality made goods and services.

The cheap manufacturing really did its thing in the 80's.  We are a throwaway society for it.  Something breaks, you dont fix it, you replace it.  Its cheaper to do that.  Given the way technology is moving these days, that special TV you spent 10 grand on 5 years ago?  Yep, its probably worth less than a grand today.

Unless you are buying a car, or a product like an oven, dishwasher, fridge, washing mashine, the sort of thing that performs a function for you with little innovation in the industry, its not worth spending the extra dollars.

I will buy the most cost effective television.  Note this doesnt mean cheap, this means cheap to run dailly whilst having all the latest features.  No doubt in less than 10 years, todays TV's will be superceded.  The brand is almost irrelevant.  They are all reasonably good unless you go for the cheapest of the cheap.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Mick Malthouse admits his love for Dale Thomas - the Age
Oh well, we can put the rubbish idea that he doesn't play favourites behind us now. Don't care about love or whatever, just as long as we get some results.

Every coach has favourites.  We would be talking BS if we didnt think that was true, and they will also get away with more in terms of a bit of leniency, the thing is, they wont need it if the coach sets a benchmark that all players need to meet.  He will come down on those not meeting it equally be they favourite or not.

Malthouse has already admitted as much publically when he was at Collingwood.  He stated, that "you have to treat some of your stars a little differently".

I would be willing to bet the family house on the fact that the players he would have as favourites are coincidentally probably the ones that are doing more of the right things more frequently.  I would be concerned if his favourties included blokes not willing to pull their weight.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Wanted: Coffee Mug
Go new for old.

You will likely struggle to get the precise same one, and at least that way you can fess up to the crime, whilst making up for it.

As an alternative, those look like the ones you might be able to get from the AFL shop or at a pinch, Kmart.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Is that Sports Doctor still in da house?
No amount of strapping will help a miniscus tear.

The only way to eleviate the swelling associated with it, is to keep weight off that leg.

If you tore it within days of your surgery, that indicates more of a failed surgery than anything else, and perhaps you should advise that this might be the case.

It may speed up your 3 month waiting period, as they might be assessing you as a "new" patient rather than one they failed to operate on properly.  I think you may have missed your waiting period for that by delaying this long, but you probably could have been seen earlier had you approached the relevant medico-legal people in January.

Hope that helps.  Sorry to hear about your pain.  I have torn my meniscus.  Its not pleasant, and took 6 weeks to begin straight line running.  I was lucky, I didnt need an operation, but I didnt fully rupture.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2014 - Strugglers
Or maybe the master of obsfucation at work again.  Would you promote someone publically that has no profile is flying under the radar yet at times last year was capable of getting 20+ touches of the footy a game with only the disposal being a cause for concern?

Lucas tidies up his ball use, and he is on his way to becoming a genuine contributer at worst and potentially a game winner.  Happy for him to continue going through the motions and come out the other side a better footballer.

Malthouse has form in this regard.  When he was at charge at Collingwood all these no name kids would get games until they were ready to emerge as genuine contributers and then they would get a bit of positive press AFTER they started churning out some good performances.  We do the opposite, build them up and then they never fail to dissapoint and are universally rejected by the media, supporter base and everyone and all that gets focussed on is how badly they go in certain situations.  Consequently the kids feel abandoned and end up another fish that John West rejects.  Confidence can be the difference between making it and not.  Set them short achievable and realistic targets and only move the goal posts once they run out of things to achieve.  Soon enough you end up with players that have developed beautifully or not at all.  Which one is up to the player.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Elite or just above average?
The tactic was to take Dawson back to the square and expose him. The angry midget obviously identified him as the weak link.

You mean a mismatch???

True the angry ant coached well. Dawson does not have the agility to keep pace with Gunston in anything other than a straight line, this was part of an issue discussed in the media for the full week prior to the game, that Freo's defensive match up on the Dawks looked pretty meager and slow compared to the Dawks forward line. Yet despite that had Freo kicked straight things might be very different.

Freo had spent the whole season initiating a group defense, and in the GF it failed because the Dawks made good decisions and not the predictable decisions.

Ill fix your part in bold with the following:

Most AFL Key position defenders do not have the agility to keep pace with Key Position Forwards in anything other than a straight line because they are always having to be reactive.  The only thing that they can do to combat this, is to try and read the ball coming into the 50, rather than keeping up with their opponent.  Only problem there is, that you cant afford for all your defenders to do that, so the result is to try and get the "wrong" defender going up to spoil the ball coming.  The only way they can win if they are reactive, is if they are 1.  Faster and can close in on the forward who has the jump on them, or 2, better at reading the flight of the ball than their opponent.

That does depend on game plan somewhat, but thats what I see happening in football.