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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: laj – on
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I think the only thing you can say for sure is that with a different coach, things would be different,
Not necessarily better, not necessarily worse...(some would argue it couldn't be worse)
But different.
A classic example of that was when we made the change from Bolton to Teague.
Players went to different positions.
They were given different roles.
Paddy Dow's possessions went from high teen/ low 20s to single figures.

Only good thing with a new coach is we generally produce our best in their first year when enthusiasm is high. So best have everything in order. Voss, like Ratts, managed to keep it going a bit longer, even if it looked the typical falling away in the first 14 rounds of 2023 before the change at Ed's place.
So sack and hire a new one every year yeah?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by laj -
Quote from: Lods – on
I think the only thing you can say for sure is that with a different coach, things would be different,
Not necessarily better, not necessarily worse...(some would argue it couldn't be worse)
But different.
A classic example of that was when we made the change from Bolton to Teague.
Players went to different positions.
They were given different roles.
Paddy Dow's possessions went from high teen/ low 20s to single figures.

Only good thing with a new coach is we generally produce our best in their first year when enthusiasm is high. So best have everything in order. Voss, like Ratts, managed to keep it going a bit longer, even if it looked the typical falling away in the first 14 rounds of 2023 before the change at Ed's place.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I don't know.
The club does.

Do you really think our MC put blokes out there who aren't trying, the MC's job depends on them.

Do you really think our MC put blokes out there who are not 100% fit, the MC's job depends on them.
....and thats why some will be looking for a new job.

Unfit players play all the time, everyone knows it. The MC will always say they are 100% fit though. Its BS.
So 'trying' can be limited by how fit they are and how much they can get from 'trying'.

Sometimes the trying the players are doing is trying not to throw up because they are so sick and under the weather. Looking at Patrick "Mr Quarantine" Cripps as our most recent example.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Analysis 2025
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2025 Rd 14:   Carlton vs West Coast/color]
The first quarter and 3/4's was excellent. After that, it was a slog.

Trends:
[1]   There were 10 voters this round, which is worse than we usually get for a loss. A sign of things to come? Or just because the game was interstate. It took me a long time to see it all, as I was in hospital for the whole game. :( It sort of described my weekend!
 Please do voteplease do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!

[2]   The rating was a 7.77, which represents a C-, shows how disappointed the voters were even with a win. Considering how they felt in the next 2 weeks ...

[3]   14 players managed a mention this week, which is a little low for modern wins. We often get 16 or more when we actually play 4 quarters.

[4]   The average vote this week was 25, which is about as low as a win ever goes.

[5]   3 players managed 100 votes or more this week. It might have been more if more people had voted, but it does show the malaise we've experienced this season.

[6]   George Hewett was BOG again this round, for the 4th time this year, with 326 votes, followed by Adam Cerra with 186 and Ollie Hollands with 132. Ollie has 2 top 3 finishes so far this season.

[7]   One player managed votes from everyone this week, George Hewett. Ollie missed from 1 voter, while the rest were all over the place.

[8]   Again, our youngsters made some contribution this week, led by Ollie Hollands and Jaxon Binns.

[9]   This was a round where our mids and defenders shone out. Our forwards, not so much. I much rather an even performance, but our forwards have struggled this year.

Votes:
Hewett, George  326
Cerra, Adam  186
Hollands, Oliver  132
de Koning, Tom  97
Cincotta, Alex  82
Binns, Jaxon  82
McGovern, Mitchell  70
Fogarty, Lachlan  54
Haynes, Nick  43
Weitering, Jacob  31
Saad, Adam  23
William, Zac  19
Cripps, Patrick  12
Carroll, Matthew  8

Progressive Voting:
2569  George Hewett
1500  Tom de Koning
1425  Patrick Cripps
1359 Adam Cerra
1043   Sam Walsh
919  Jacob Weitering
847  Ollie Hollands
846  Jack Silvagni
650   Nick Haynes
563  Adam Saad
546  Harry McKay
321  Charlie Curnow
281  Jesse Motlop
279  Mitch McGovern
275  Brodie Kemp
234   Sam Docherty
215  Corey Durdin
176  Cooper Lord
156  Zac Williams
123  Blake Acres
118  Jaxon Binns
118  Lachie Fogarty
107  Lewis Young
105   Alex Cincotta
79   Matthew Cottrell
72   Elijah Holland
32   Will White
25 Matthew Carroll
21   Lucas Camporeale
14   Marc Pittonet
6   Harry O'Farrell
3   Lachie Cowan
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Voting 2025 AFL Rd 14 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by crashlander -
AFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs West Coast
Team:   B
The first half was brilliant; the rest was just a slog. How we can play that well some of the time and so poorly at other times I cannot understand.

Votes:
[3]   George Hewett
[2]   Adam Cerra
[1.5]   Jaxon Binns
[1.5]   Tom de Koning
[1]   Adam Saad
[1]   Mitch McGovern
[1]   Jacob Weitering
[1]   Lachie Fogarty
[1]   Ollie Hollands
[0.5]   Nick Haynes
[0.5]   Alex Cincotta
[0.5]   Zac Williams
[0.5]   Patrick Cripps

Explanations:
[3]   George Hewett   35 possessions, 7 clearances and 4 tackles says it all.
[2]   Adam Cerra:      One of his best games of the year; 30 possessions.
[1.5]   Jaxon Binns:      Probably his best game in our colours.
[1.5]   Tom de Koning:   Pretty good from Tom, especially early.
[1]   Adam Saad:      One of Saad’s better games for the year.
[1]   Mitch McGovern:   Held up his end and kicked some important goals.
[1]   Jacob Weitering:   Very strong in defence.
[1]   Lachie Fogarty   One of Fog’s most effective games.
[1]   Ollie Hollands:      Gut running, Ollie is coming along nicely.
[0.5]   Nick Haynes:      Another strong game in defence.
[0.5]   Alex Cincotta:      His best game for the year.
[0.5]   Zac Williams:      Did some nice things.
[0.5]   Patrick Cripps:      Only 21 possessions, but 4 clearances and 4 tackles.

Honourable Mentions:
Sam Docherty:      Got a lot of the ball.
Blake Acres:         Much improved over his recent form, but clearly not 100 % yet.
Jack Silvagni:         Solid
Matthew Carroll:      Liked the run the provided from defence.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Formula 1
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: LP – on
Austria was probably the best first 5 or 10 laps of the season, the racing between Norris and Piastri was as good as it gets before the team orders put the kybosh on it.

I felt sorry for Piastri, he suffered a bit from his past with Alpine doing it's best attempt at a trip pitting cars twice to send them out in front of him on fresh tyres while he was trying to close the gap between himself and Norris. In effect F1 politics robbed us of a grandstand finish, but that's F1.

The only thing that was a bit unsavoury was in the late stages Norris started begging the team for help as Piastri was 0.5s per lap faster and closing rapidly. Norris has a big weakness relative to Piastri, Norris burns tyres faster and is nowhere near as neat and tidy around the track.
What continues to amaze me is Piastri's coolness in a crisis. He got pushed off into the grass by Colopinto and barely flinched. Every other driver on the grid would have carried on like a pork chop. He just gathered it and continued. Made a smart ass remark about Alpine continuing to find ways to f#$% him over :)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne
Last post by LP -
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I saw blokes who clearly aren't up to it.
Whether they are capable or not has little relevance to how hard they are trying, I'm arguing the assertion that they aren't making an effort is bullsh1t, in fact it's an insult!

Someone like Evans tries just as hard if not harder in the AFL, he wants the gig desperately, but he is competing against a whole other level of opponent.