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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Milhanna13 -
Agreed Thry.....if we're serious and on, we should win easily. We still need to learn how to really bury sides when we have the advantage and % could be critical come the pointy end of the season.

Would love to be sitting here on Saturday, watching the other 17 fanbases whinge about Charlie only kicking 10 against the bottom sides, again
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by Milhanna13 -
I think that this comment from Matt Cottrell is relevant:

"People don't come to the footy to watch a half-forward run his patterns. They come for Charlie Curnow, not a high half-forward whose job it is to connect with the winger. But it's a good role, it suits my game and the way I play.

I can get up and support the backs, then hopefully challenge my opponent going back to goal. But, to give credit to the club, they really value it. Internally, it's highly valued. It gives me a bit of motivation to keep doing it."

Supporters naturally pay more attention to the big name players and spectacular individual efforts (or errors).  The work done by lesser lights like Cottrell, Hollands, Cuningham, Fogarty, Owies, Fantasia and Boyd is often overlooked.

I think I mentioned in the post-match post, that i didnt see Cunners out there v Tigs, but then he appeared in the top few in the player rating stats.   i reckon this would be due to  a) the above - he is doing so much that doesnt show up on the kicks/marks/handballs sheet  and  b) he did a lot of his good work in close, and hard to see from the grandstand

i saw someone mention on twitter that we have some ridiculous win/loss record, of late, with Cunners and Fog in the team - yet, they arent cyril rioli, so everyone assumes they are on the cusp of being dropped
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
None of the other 'midfield' players played KP, so not sure why you bring that up, i think it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Kemp gets beaten by taller opponents....and by stronger opponents......does that not clearly point to the fact that is because is not a KPP? He doesn't have the size or strength to play there and be effective. Rather, he plays there because he is the best we've got at any given time, but is largely undersized.

Young is a better matchup, because he is an actual KPP. I think the 'errors' made by Young playing that role vs the 'errors' by Kemp playing that role mean that Kemp is the better player to have in the side.....even if it means you sacrifice some ability against the taller opponents that he'll be beaten one on one with. Mostly due to the fact that Young makes some silly errors that almost directly cost us goals.

To summarise, just because a player is played in a position, doesn't mean he is right for that position. If all our 190cm players got injured, someone would still have to play as a ruck on game day.....but just because we've shoehorned someone into that position, doesn't mean he is a genuine ruck. Same with Kemp, Marchbank......as KPPs.

Kemp and Young did OK against Daniher and Hipwood and Lynch and Balta.  They would probably do OK against Larkey and Coleman-Jones.  Weitering and Kemp would be a better combination and Weitering and Young an even better combination.

Against other key forward pairs, Weitering and Kemp might be a better defensive combination than Weitering and Young.  When you have several KPDs with different attributes, you can have a horses for courses approach.  With the North game, Kemp would probably be our best match up for Zurhaar.  McGovern could do the job but at the expense of his intercept marking and helping out the KPDs.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Kemp played a couple of games in the midfield as a junior, that's it.  SOS said that Kemp could play midfield when he was drafted, but he said that about Plowman, Marchbank, Stocker, and others.  Despite the 'midfield extractor' tag, Kemp has played all of his football for us as a KPP.

Kemp does get beaten by taller opponents in one on one contests - Gawn in the semi - and by stronger opponents like Balta.  He also loses contests when he attempts to mark rather than spoil.   Young is more conservative and is happy to kill the contest if there's doubt about the outcome.  Young is a better match up for Larkey and Coleman-Kones than Kemp is, and I would play both, regardless of whether Weitering is in the team.

None of the other 'midfield' players played KP, so not sure why you bring that up, i think it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Kemp gets beaten by taller opponents....and by stronger opponents......does that not clearly point to the fact that is because is not a KPP? He doesn't have the size or strength to play there and be effective. Rather, he plays there because he is the best we've got at any given time, but is largely undersized.

Young is a better matchup, because he is an actual KPP. I think the 'errors' made by Young playing that role vs the 'errors' by Kemp playing that role mean that Kemp is the better player to have in the side.....even if it means you sacrifice some ability against the taller opponents that he'll be beaten one on one with. Mostly due to the fact that Young makes some silly errors that almost directly cost us goals.

To summarise, just because a player is played in a position, doesn't mean he is right for that position. If all our 190cm players got injured, someone would still have to play as a ruck on game day.....but just because we've shoehorned someone into that position, doesn't mean he is a genuine ruck. Same with Kemp, Marchbank......as KPPs.