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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Reality is the lovers of Coon cheese are in the minority with this situation and the wider community expect to see the word Coon removed from the Vocabulary in Aus and any jobs lost won't be taken into account.
In fact the surname will probably disappear over time as well in Australia imho.
If by wider community you mean the majority, I would beg to differ. I'd be fascinated to see some sort of "head count". Apart from this forum/thread, every time I have heard this type of topic (ie name changes) discussed amongst the varying groups of people I associate and interact with both at work and socially, the overwhelming majority I have witnessed first hand have the "what a crock of crap" or "who gives a fork" attitude. Do I need to choose my friends, family and work colleagues more carefully?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Mav -
And we don’t know what became of Melissa Caddick. Some things will remain a mystery.

But if you’re a cop who conducted a search, it might behove you to be able to articulate what attracted your suspicion when you get to Court.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by kruddler -
The fact that you might not be able to put your finger on what activates your gut immediately doesn’t mean it will forever remain that way. The subconscious mind may merely be ahead of the conscious mind. Once you realise what put you on edge, you’d be pretty well placed to figure out whether your gut was being smart or just biased.

Doesn't mean you will either. Use Baggers as an example, you reckon he knows why all these years later?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Mav -
The fact that you might not be able to put your finger on what activates your gut immediately doesn’t mean it will forever remain that way. The subconscious mind may merely be ahead of the conscious mind. Once you realise what put you on edge, you’d be pretty well placed to figure out whether your gut was being smart or just biased.

But that is just one type of intuition or gut feel. Another type of intuition is where there is a lot of information and it isn’t worthwhile to tease out every piece and consciously weight each as if a mathematical equation were involved. You just have to allow it all to swirl around like a soup as you decide whether to take the deal or go out with someone or, if you’re a judge, what penalty to impose. And you’re right that it becomes difficult to say in any particular case whether an inappropriate bias came into play. Perhaps the person who makes the decision might think he or she made an unbiased decision. But there have been analyses of particular Judges’ decisions over time that have revealed biases in favour of, for instance, private school alumni.

Of course, that makes it difficult to prove what has motivated people in particular instances. But trends will become apparent over time. And questions asked by employers and the like that seek information that might lead to discrimination should be banned, no matter how much the interviewer might claim they’d never use that information unlawfully, e.g marital status, sexual orientation, ethnicity or religion.

There have been many stories of applications being submitted with equivalent qualifications but one with an Anglo name and the other with a name that suggested the candidate was black. Surprise, surprise, the Anglo name would be called in for interview while the Black name would be screened out by HR’s gut instinct.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by DJC -
I love reading the twists and turns in these discussions  :)

My late brother was a police officer for 20 years before going over to the dark side and becoming a barrister.  This was during a time of entrenched prejudice and bigotry as well as imported ethnic conflicts, the turmoil of post-war immigration, the sexual revolution, student protest movements, the Cold War and anti-war and anti-capital punishment demonstrations. 

Throughout his career as a police officer and as a barrister, my brother always maintained that material evidence was the key to obtaining a conviction, or avoiding one.  Gut feelings, intuition, prejudices, opinions and speculation almost invariably led police astray and obscured or missed evidence. 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by kruddler -
K... this happens to moi more times than I'd like to admit. I don't like it one bit, even scares the [email protected] out of me at times.

Should we start calling you Neo? You've broken out of the matrix and can see it all for how it is?

This kinda thing reminds me a story told by Mick Molloy about one of his many Red Dust trips up north into local aboriginal communities.
He told a story about how he was in a pub, yep, who'd thunk it, up North somewhere and over the course of a couple days all these aboriginals started flocking into town en masse. Multiple tribes who basically had no communication with eachother, no technological access to weather data or anything. All 'randomly' started coming to town. Imagine, all of australias capital cities coming to Melbourne at the same time, for seemingly no reason.

Through a few beers and catching up with the locals over a period of days, they all said there was huge storms coming. Traditional reports showed nothing out of the ordinary, rain definitely, but not end of the world stuff like they were suggesting. Now, i cannot recall the exact details and timeframe on this, but they were right. Not sure if there was a cyclone or just mass flooding, but it caught everyone (read - white people) by surprise as nobody predicted it. However, the aboriginals just kinda knew.
That was intuition on mass.

Post script to that story, Mick Molloy asked when he could next come up for a visit and asked one of the elders if he could come back in 6 months time, around October or whatever it was. The elder went and had a chat to other elders and came back to him and said better make it (lets say) December, as there would be more massive storms throughout October that year (much more than what would be considered normal). Mick agreed. Sure enough, in October, more massive storms and flooding.

They can also predict the type of storms coming based on how the rain feels when it hits their skin. This is not about being able to tell the difference between a light shower and a big downpour while you are in it, but rather whats to come in terms of duration and ferocity.

Ask them how they know, they can't tell you.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by kruddler -
Kruddler, I don’t agree. I’m talking about sub-conscious observations not sub-conscious biases. In other words, observations that make a person feel that something isn’t right without being something he or she can put his or her finger on immediately. Maybe an alert cop will pick out someone impersonating a cop because of a gun worn on the wrong side or a uniform being a slightly wrong colour. That’s the sort of thing that can lead to a gut feeling that demands further investigation. But it is based on observation or evidence rather than a mindset that all of a particular subset of a population are suspect.
My head hurts trying to understand your agreeing / not agreeing.
Lets wind it back a bit.

This was the quote that lead to this tangent.
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Intuition or gut instinct is great if it is based on evidence. But intuition or gut instinct which isn’t based on evidence is just prejudice or bias.
You agree that intuition can be sub-consciously based on evidence? re cop knowing without knowing why.

You state that intuition based on a mindset is prejudice and bias.

My question is this.
If its all sub-conscious. How can you determine how and from where the 'feeling' came from....was it observational evidence or a pre-conceived mindset?? How can anyone say with any kind of certainty what a persons sub-conscious motivations behind their intuition were?
A second party would have to use their intuition to guess at where the first persons intuition came from.....but could be biased in their opinions. Soon you've got layering akin to Inception going on.

Which leads back to my original question...
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What if an intuition or gut instinct is in line with evidence. Is it still prejudice and/or bias?
The trick here appears to be in the bias of the person answering the question.


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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Reality is the lovers of Coon cheese are in the minority with this situation and the wider community expect to see the word Coon removed from the Vocabulary in Aus and any jobs lost won't be taken into account.
In fact the surname will probably disappear over time as well in Australia imho.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Mav -
Makes me think of the Front Bar. Radar would be saying “gamble responsibly” while Mick would be saying, “No, it can’t lose: bet your house on it!” If You’d listened to Mick, you’d be a rich man  :P
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Helps to be from NSW.

Didn't Warner make a pair in the last Ashes test in Hobart?  Broad made him look like a Muppet, and it isn't the first time....I don't see how any other result is likely.  His o/s record is very ordinary, so is it reasonable to carry this bloke to whatever end point he wants?
They want him to captain the shorter format teams and stay in Aus to help keep the Big Bash alive so they are giving him a free ride for another 12 months in test cricket. He threatened to quit Aus and play in all the overseas big money tournaments and Cricket Aus gave in and are pandering to him.