I find club best and fairest voting fascinating as at times it will differ (sometimes dramatically) from public and media perception.
What it does indicate is how well certain players have 'done their specific job' on the day.
With this in mind, I think that Everett will pick up votes, as will White and Curnow. Not always high possession winner, but if given a task and are successful, it is generally acknowledged in game voting at a club level.
We can speculate club and team expectations of players on any given day, but we don't really know! The B&F will reveal a lot....IMO
Gibbs by the length of the Flemington straight....
Gibbs by the length of the Flemington straight....
If he doesn't get it there's something badly wrong.
1 Gibbs
2 Simpson
3 Rowe
1. Gibbs
2. Judd
3. Rowe
Can't go past the Jim Park results as a guide so it has to be:
1 - Gibbs
2 - Murphy
3 - Simpson
If there's a most improved award, it would have to go to Rowe.
Will there be a 'smokie' in the top 6??
Will there be a 'smokie' in the top 6??
Gibbs easily, and it won't surprise me if Yarran finishes high up.
Will there be a 'smokie' in the top 6??
Simon White... or at least in the Top 10.
Gibbs is a cert. I think Jamo may finish top 5. He held some very good forwards to very low scores this season.
Will there be a 'smokie' in the top 6??
Dont know if he is a smokie but I'll go Casboult in the top 10....
1 : Gibbs
2 : Simpson
3 : Yarran
1. Gibbs
2. Simpson
3. Murphy
4. Yarran
5. Judd (but not sure if the voting system helps a guy who missed half the season)
1 : Gibbs
2 : Simpson
3 : Yarran
Add Murphy and there's your top 4 I reckon.
I'm guessing that Rowe would be a good chance for a top 10 finish, which would be a good result for him and well deserved.
1. Gibbs
2. Simpson
3. Murphy
4. Yarran
5. Judd (but not sure if the voting system helps a guy who missed half the season)
You can get a bunch of votes very quickly with our system (each coach can vote for up to 8 players and give up to 10 votes) or do you mean more about the politics? :P
I think this list is about right but I'd swap Yarran and Judd.
When Gibbs wins his first B&F will people on here stop baying for his blood and wishing we'd trade him back to some South Australian club for peanuts?
Would be nice :).
When Gibbs wins his first B&F will people on here stop baying for his blood and wishing we'd trade him back to some South Australian club for peanuts?
Would be nice :).
Surely Gibbs' second half of 2014 has put that one firmly to rest? His name is now even being linked to the captaincy by some.
Gibbs is showing his value but still needs to have some support from the players around him. His better games really shows what he can deliver when he backs his ability. I have always liked him. Think he can be a 3rd forward option as he isn't a midget and usually is a good kick for goal.
When Gibbs wins his first B&F will people on here stop baying for his blood and wishing we'd trade him back to some South Australian club for peanuts?
Would be nice :).
I can't really see that happening Nath. He'd have to start playing like Diesel, Jezza, the Dominator and Big Nick before some folk would admit that he is in our best 22 ::)
I think Rowe and Docherty will finish in the top 6. Both played to the roles they were given, although they weren't all class, I would certainly call them up a chance.
For mine:
Gibbs
Simpson
Murphy
Rowe
Yarran
Docherty
I think Gibbs standing amongst supporters has improved where he wont be the whipping boy.......he was reasonable in his contract talks and didnt want a massive deal and has become more of a player who is seen to win his own ball when the heat is on and is now influencing games.
I think Gibbs standing amongst supporters has improved where he wont be the whipping boy.......he was reasonable in his contract talks and didnt want a massive deal and has become more of a player who is seen to win his own ball when the heat is on and is now influencing games.
In other words EB, he's become a "True Blue".
I think Gibbs standing amongst supporters has improved where he wont be the whipping boy.......he was reasonable in his contract talks and didnt want a massive deal and has become more of a player who is seen to win his own ball when the heat is on and is now influencing games.
In other words EB, he's become a "True Blue".
That he has Cookie and he is living up to his No 1 draft pick status and playing like a leader...even giving a bit of needle to opponents which hasnt been a part of his game..
Rowe will be, or should be, top 10 at the very least. Reckon he might sneak into 5 or 6 calculations. Fantastic season!
For what its worth here is mine
Gibbs
Murphy
Simpson
Yarran
Rowe
Everitt
Docherty
Judd
Jamieson
Curnow
Gibbs will have it sewn up by round 10
If anyone is going and happens to go to toilet and be standing next to Waite at the Urinal. Push him in for me.
They just announced the 'ambassador' award, the player who has done great work in the community! Simon White.....ironic???
Two Awards to both both Buckley and Rowe. Much loved around the club those two.
Coverage so far has been very good online. Just about ready to start the actual count.
Ed Curnow runaway leader!!!
With this in mind, I think that Everett will pick up votes, as will White and Curnow. Not always high possession winner, but if given a task and are successful.
Interesting if he'd played a full year EC. He just does his job.
Is Craig Willis actually a Carlton supporter or just a voice for hire for the night?
Fitzroy ..... now BL supporter.
The ultimate voice for hire, but HATES when people aren't listening, hence the occasional 'Shhhhhhh!!' as he tries to speak as these types of large functions.
Yarran polling well.
Gibbs looks home.
10. Thomas
9. Docherty
7. Everitt
7. Judd
6 Jamison
5. Rowe
4. Yarran
3. Simpson
2. Murphy
1. Gibbs
Great online coverage.
Great online coverage.
Agree - really impressive.
Fair speech too from Gibba......
Congrats Gibbs. Well deserved.
Fair speech too from Gibba......
Agree, terrific young man. Have had the pleasure of meeting Gibbsy on many occasions, what you see is what you get. An extremely polite and humble young fella. Well done son.
GIBBS 108
Murphy 80
Simpson 76
Yarran 72
Rowe 52
Jamison 47
Everitt 46
Judd 46
Docherty 44
Thomas 4
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Fair speech too from Gibba......
Agree, terrific young man. Have had the pleasure of meeting Gibbsy on many occasions, what you see is what you get. An extremely polite and humble young fella. Well done son.
Agree..met him at the Portsea Pub and he was a nice well spoken young bloke as was Jordan Russell who took time to speak to the fans...
Interesting to see Robbo turned up to B&F, didn't think he would.
No announcement of Waite re-signing.....confirms goneski (imo)......
Congratulations to Gibbs. From all reports seems to have been a popular winner.
Special mention to Sam Rowe who I said "had played the worst game ever by a Carlton footballer" earlier in the year (was it the Essendon game?). He certainly stuck it up me. Well done.
Also great to see a couple of our new recruits in Everitt and Docherty get in the top 10.
Well done Bryce!! Big tick for Mick? Bryce matured? A bit of both? Either way great for the club.
yes congratulations to gibbs
i have been a big critic of gibbs but he taken great steps to be the leader of the club.
Bit of a shame it took anyone at the club 8 years to realise that Bryce Gibbs, the premier under 18 midfielder in the country when we drafted him, was actually a midfielder and not a half back flanker ;).
Who knew???
Congratulations, young man, very deserving winner and can only see him going from strength to strength from here. Gibbs and Murphy are as good as combo as any going around in the AFL in the midfield, we just need to get better support in there for them, more quality to the depth in rotations and have some decent structures up forward to convert the midfield work into scoring.
Outstanding wraps to Sam Rowe on resurrecting his career in such a profound fashion. If you watch any of his early season games then fast forward to the end of the season, you'd swear to God think you were watching two different footballers. He is a quality CHB through and through and that knowledge should allow the coaching staff much greater confidence to build a forward line that functions in 2015.
Also credit where credit is due to our recruiting division. We made three acquisitions last pre-season being Daisy Thomas, Andrejs Everitt and Sam Docherty. All finished in the top 10 of the B&F in their first season with us. That is a huge win and one that we haven't really seen in a decade outside of Chris Judd. Looking forward to seeing what gems they might unearth for us this year as we are still a work in progress.
Overall, I think there is plenty to look forward to next year. We finished the season strongly, pushed quality sides (Port Adelaide aside, and we were cooked by then), have plenty of first string players to come back from injury and plenty of development still in the young guys. North Melbourne and Port Adelaide have proven that teams can bounce back quickly once they embrace the right game style. Hopefully we can show the same from 2015 and beyond.
Everitt and Docherty were good pickups and deserving of a top ten finish but Thomas being in the top ten is a reflection on our list because I thought he was ordinary for most of the season and for 700k a season I would have classed this season for him as disappointing..
Everitt and Docherty were good pickups and deserving of a top ten finish but Thomas being in the top ten is a reflection on our list because I thought he was ordinary for most of the season and for 700k a season I would have classed this season for him as disappointing..
CSC had Thomas as the 21st best player. I wouldn't read anything much into the placings as they always put up some head scratchers.
So rapt for Yazz and Rowe to finally have a top 5 B and F finish.
The penny has well and truly dropped for Yazzamatazz. He will be something very special for years to come for us.
And as for Rowe, well, what a great effort for him to come from where he was. Im not talking about the Cancer either, as I don't think this situation should define him. I mean, for him to come from basically being on the scrap heap and on our list purely as a back up forward/ruck, to turn out to work himself into being a more then competent key defender ensconced in out starting 18. He now has the sell confidence in himself to take his footy to an even higher level from hereon in.
If more naturally talented guys like Garlett and Waite had even a 10th of this guys work ethic and dedication off the field, they d both be superstars of the comp now.
1 Bryce Gibbs
2 Marc Murphy
3 Kade Simpson
4 Chris Yarran
5 Sam Rowe
6 Michael Jamison
= 7 Andrejs Everitt
= 7 Chris Judd
9 Sam Docherty
10 Dale Thomas
Dale Thomas, WTF? :o
Ahead of Curnow, Walker, Carrazzo, Robinson, McLean, Henderson, Casboult, really? ???
1 Bryce Gibbs
2 Marc Murphy
3 Kade Simpson
4 Chris Yarran
5 Sam Rowe
6 Michael Jamison
= 7 Andrejs Everitt
= 7 Chris Judd
9 Sam Docherty
10 Dale Thomas
Dale Thomas, WTF? :o
Ahead of Curnow, Walker, Carrazzo, Robinson, McLean, Henderson, Casboult, really? ???
B+F's are generally a guide to who performed their role to the best of their ability according to the expectation of the Match Committee along with being an influential player.
That can mean sacrificing output for the good of the team from time to time.
This may also serve to send a message to the group regarding ways to influence a result without being a dominant player.
No it's BS. Mick trying to protect his son. Unless Daisy's role was to be invisible for half the season.
1 Bryce Gibbs
2 Marc Murphy
3 Kade Simpson
4 Chris Yarran
5 Sam Rowe
6 Michael Jamison
= 7 Andrejs Everitt
= 7 Chris Judd
9 Sam Docherty
10 Dale Thomas
Dale Thomas, WTF? :o
Ahead of Curnow, Walker, Carrazzo, Robinson, McLean, Henderson, Casboult, really? ???
B+F's are generally a guide to who performed their role to the best of their ability according to the expectation of the Match Committee along with being an influential player.
That can mean sacrificing output for the good of the team from time to time.
This may also serve to send a message to the group regarding ways to influence a result without being a dominant player.
X2. Exactly right.
B+F's are generally a guide to who performed their role to the best of their ability according to the expectation of the Match Committee along with being an influential player.
That can mean sacrificing output for the good of the team from time to time.
This may also serve to send a message to the group regarding ways to influence a result without being a dominant player.
By the same token, if blokes perform you shouldn't be disrespecting their efforts just to pump up some other player.
I doubt many supporters would rate the Dale Thomas 2014 season better than Curnow's. I'd barely have Thomas ahead of Waite or Robinson despite the number of games they lost to injury and or suspension, and there is no way Thomas deserves more respect or has had any more impact on 2014 than Henderson or Casboult for the 2014!
Thomas ahead of those blokes is completely unrealistic, it reeks of nepotism!
Waite, who actually won us games. When missing we lost to 2 bottom 4 sides and without Mick would probably already be out on his arse finished below Thomas.
Top lel.
Should be renamed the Tried your Best & "sacrificed" your game award.
Thomas ahead of those blokes is completely unrealistic, it reeks of nepotism!
Reeks is not a strong enough word. It's a pisstake of epic proportions.
..................Unless Daisy's role was to be invisible for half the season.
Quality.
Thomas ahead of those blokes is completely unrealistic, it reeks of nepotism!
Reeks is not a strong enough word. It's a pisstake of epic proportions.
It's little things like this that set the alarm bells ringing for me, the removal of Cordy and the appointment of Buttifant, the recruitment of Thomas and playing him clearly unfit, the pre-season trip debacles, the blind faith in altitude training, the failure to stand by certain players and now Thomas getting 10th spot in the B&F.
These do not come across to me as rational cold professional decisions, they have some subjectivity and that makes me doubt things.
Meh, I dunno, keep in mind that Daisy played almost every game for the season and you're comparing him to guys who missed big chunks.
Sure, we recruited him to be a top 3 finish player and he didn't do that, but I'd imagine 10th to be a fairly accurate reflection of his season. He was certainly playing much better footy towards the end of the year as his fitness levels got back to where they should be. He was realistically playing the sort of footy we recruited him for.
If he can build on that and be every bit the player we recruited him to be next year, then we're going to be in for a big season. Gibbs, Murphy and Thomas has the potential to be an outstanding three way punch.
If he can build on that and be every bit the player we recruited him to be next year, then we're going to be in for a big season. Gibbs, Murphy and Thomas has the potential to be an outstanding three way punch.
I agree, I'm not talking down his future just discussing his past and I think 10th is a bit over-rated, or perhaps others under-rated!
Perhaps they have done this because that is what Daisy needs, but surely others need some recognition too?
Congratulations Bryce, well deserved!
I was a very lukewarm about Gibbs for a long time but I think he has finally emerged this year as the star we were hoping for when he was drafted.
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Send this to Jarrad, and Mick!
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Send this to Jarryd, and Mick!
To all whom it may concern..................
Did our scoring system change as these are very low votes.
Our top 3 have had a pretty consistently result over a number of years now. Congrats to them all. Hope Simmo continues his form into the future. Like Scotland, really deserves a gong at some point.
Did our scoring system change as these are very low votes.
Our top 3 have had a pretty consistently result over a number of years now. Congrats to them all. Hope Simmo continues his form into the future. Like Scotland, really deserves a gong at some point.
Like last year??? :P
If he can build on that and be every bit the player we recruited him to be next year, then we're going to be in for a big season. Gibbs, Murphy and Thomas has the potential to be an outstanding three way punch.
I agree, I'm not talking down his future just discussing his past and I think 10th is a bit over-rated, or perhaps others under-rated!
Perhaps they have done this because that is what Daisy needs, but surely others need some recognition too?
B&F voting doesn't really work like that. It's across every game of the season and is a cumulative thing rather than just a group of people sitting down at the end of the season and deciding who the top 10 players were for the year. Mick isn't the only person that votes either, I'm not sure what system we use at the club but at every footy club I ever played for we had multiple people putting their votes in each week and the cumulative totals decide the awards.
I'd agree with you wholeheartedly if we'd given him some arbitrary award for something, but the B&F isn't arbitrary. It's based on game by game votes and Daisy played enough quality games to warrant a top 10. Finishing 10th is actually a poor return for a player as good as he is, in my opinion. I doubt very much that he'd be happy with it himself and I'm certainly not happy with it. We're paying him $700,000 a season, which is just something you don't do for the 10th best player on your list across any given season.
He needs to finish in the top 3 next season to justify his dollars and only time will tell if he can do that. As I said, if the end of the season performances he put up were an indication of what he'll deliver consistently next season, then I can't see anyone complaining too much about anything.
B+F's are generally a guide to who performed their role to the best of their ability according to the expectation of the Match Committee along with being an influential player.
That can mean sacrificing output for the good of the team from time to time.
This may also serve to send a message to the group regarding ways to influence a result without being a dominant player.
By the same token, if blokes perform you shouldn't be disrespecting their efforts just to pump up some other player.
I doubt many supporters would rate the Dale Thomas 2014 season better than Curnow's. I'd barely have Thomas ahead of Waite or Robinson despite the number of games they lost to injury and or suspension, and there is no way Thomas deserves more respect or has had any more impact on 2014 than Henderson or Casboult for the 2014!
Thomas ahead of those blokes is completely unrealistic, it reeks of nepotism!
What if a bloke is dominant but doesnt follow instruction?
Some players might have been flash in the pan and done his role really well one week, and then not played his role, but the role of someone else, and still has a positive impact on the scoreboard, but hurt the team for it.
We see a bloke that kicked 3 goals fail to get B+F votes, but the MC sees a bloke not playing to instruction and being perhaps selfish and ending up with no votes in the B+F even though their output went some way to winning games.
At the end of the day, there would be a reason for this "inconsistency" that we couldnt fully appreciate without knowing the ins and outs of every persons role on the team and how they can positively effect team performance whilst not really hitting the stat sheet well.
@the end of the day, people will never agree with most of it, but I think we can be satisfied with the top 6, and usually thats where the majority of the votes go and the blokes under this are probably inconsistent at best.
10. Thomas
9. Docherty
7. Everitt
7. Judd
6 Jamison
5. Rowe
4. Yarran
3. Simpson
2. Murphy
1. Gibbs
All 3 traded/free agency players made the top 10, Everritt, Daisy and Docherty.
That's a credit to everyone involved in getting them across and the boys for settling in and contributing in their 1st year.
Well done everyone !!
A big congrats to Gibbs for winning, well deserved.
The top 3 are all leaders and it's good the see them leading the way with their on field performances.
Finishing 10th is actually a poor return for a player as good as he is, in my opinion. I doubt very much that he'd be happy with it himself and I'm certainly not happy with it. We're paying him $700,000 a season, which is just something you don't do for the 10th best player on your list across any given season.
He needs to finish in the top 3 next season to justify his dollars and only time will tell if he can do that. As I said, if the end of the season performances he put up were an indication of what he'll deliver consistently next season, then I can't see anyone complaining too much about anything.
See I disagree there, his end of year performances showed improvement for sure but 700k players are game breakers, Daisy was accumulating cheap stats across half back which inflated his numbers. He needs to be doing a shightload more than that IMHO.
Thomas played half back re bounder when he started to play better so I would mark him down as the degree of difficulty is way less when you play without much responsibility and just get easy kicks....Mick looked after him...
For me some relative assessment is required to make sense of this;
If Gibbs or Murphy had had the same season there is no way they would have finished 10th and we'd be asking for trade options on both of them!
He didn't get any easy kicks, he runs his ar$e off.
GIBBS 108
Murphy 80
Simpson 76
Yarran 72
Rowe 52
Jamison 47
Everitt 46
Judd 46
Docherty 44
Thomas 4
A number of trends I note with interest:
[1] A few of last year's serious underachievers have REALLY improved significantly in 2014. Including the winner. That is something I consider as positive.
[2] We made 3 trade type deals at the end of 2013: Everitt, Docherty and Thomas. All 3 have made it into the top 10 in their first season. Kudos there is obvious to the people who put these deals together.
[3] Malthouse and the match committee obviously had specific goals for certain players. I don't know what Thomas' were, but he clearly fulfilled them. There is still a lot to improve upon, but it appears a hopeful sign.
[4] No key forwards made the top 10, yet our 2 key defenders (and 1 smaller defender - Yazz) did. For our supposed Achilles' Heel, it appears the hierarchy is happy as to where the defence is going.
[5] With the efforts of Curnow and Judd (and Carrots to a lesser extent), it appears that the way the guys who came back from injury went was recognised. One of the implications would be that Judd wold have given the B & F a serious shake had he bit fit for the season. Not bad for a guy who was thinking of retiring.
Please note that I'm not saying that I think Thomas has a good season overall. I think he had a pretty poor one, and I'm sure both the coaching staff and he, himself would say the same thing.
I'm saying that he's a quality player who did enough good things to poll a few votes here and there. He didn't win the B&F, he finished middle of the road and scraped into the top 10. That isn't good enough for what we're paying him and certainly isn't what we recruited him for.
I'm just saying that 10th was probably about right for him based on his performances. He's a gun player who played a couple of great games, a few good games, a few above average games, and a bunch of poorer games. Assuming he polled votes in his great, good, and above average games, then finishing where he did makes sense. He wasn't our worst player across the season, by any means. Far from it, really.
You guys are getting carried away with what a top 10 finish means to a player like Daisy Thomas. It doesn't imply a pass mark on the season for him. Finishing 10th is way, way below where he should have finished if he'd played to the best of his ability across the whole season. If he finishes 10th next season then I'll be one of the first screaming for his blood. It's not good enough for an elite player on elite player dollars.
That still doesn't make it any less of an accurate reflection on his 2014 season, though.
If Thomas was set goals and achieved them in 2014 then bar was set low IMO......700k for what he delivered wasnt a great investment and I remain unconvinced about his top 10 finish in the B&F. We will learn more next season when I expect him to start delivering the returns we are paying him for...
He didn't get any easy kicks, he runs his ar$e off.
For half a season he ran his ar5e off but didn't get anywhere, votes for making an effort then!
@nath his form up to being moved to half back was woeful. His move to half back got him more of the ball but I would not be happy if that is what he produces next year. That was the absolute minimum required output. He needs to win is big games.
@nath his form up to being moved to half back was woeful. His move to half back got him more of the ball but I would not be happy if that is what he produces next year. That was the absolute minimum required output. He needs to win is big games.
I couldn't agree more and am pretty sure I've said that in every post that I've made about it so far haha.
All I keep saying is that he played enough good footy to poll a few votes across the whole season. You don't play a good, consistent season of elite football and finish 10th in the club best and fairest.
He's a gun footballer who had an ordinary season so had an ordinary placing in the club best and fairest. I don't get what everyone is getting up in arms about, really. If he'd finished in the top 3 on the back of that season, I'd be the first one jumping up and down but he didn't do that at all.
He probably got most of his votes against Freo and GC at the end of the season. They were both close to BOG games.
If Thomas was set goals and achieved them in 2014 then bar was set low IMO......700k for what he delivered wasnt a great investment and I remain unconvinced about his top 10 finish in the B&F. We will learn more next season when I expect him to start delivering the returns we are paying him for...
Agree.
The bar would have been set low. One of his achievements would have been to survive a full season relatively unscathed given the last time he achieved that would have been 2011/12ish.
20+ matches is a massive feather in his cap moving forward. From all reports he was cooked and would never be fully fit ever again. That looks less likely now, but still a possibility.
That being said, a second season like this one would make his recruitment a disaster, unless we truly have lots of cap space free, and had to spend it somewhere, and decided to recruit Daisy.
All in all its not bad. Another thing that is not being considered, is that Daisy played in a fair few different roles for us this year. Between half back flank, and forward pocket, wing and the occasional run on the ball. That wouldnt assist a lot of players.
For everyone who is questioning it, you sort of get your answer in the names that finished just ahead of him. Docherty missed a fair chunk of the season and yet out voted him. Judd missed almost half the year and out voted him. Even Everitt missed a good 4+ matches and he still polled better. There were enough good games (like the West Coach and Freo matches) that would have gotten Daisy into the votes. Sure, there were enough that would have hurt him, but he played more footy than both Docherty and Judd yet still finished behind them in the B+F.
If Thomas was set goals and achieved them in 2014 then bar was set low IMO......700k for what he delivered wasnt a great investment and I remain unconvinced about his top 10 finish in the B&F. We will learn more next season when I expect him to start delivering the returns we are paying him for...
Agree.
The bar would have been set low. One of his achievements would have been to survive a full season relatively unscathed given the last time he achieved that would have been 2011/12ish.
20+ matches is a massive feather in his cap moving forward. From all reports he was cooked and would never be fully fit ever again. That looks less likely now, but still a possibility.
That being said, a second season like this one would make his recruitment a disaster, unless we truly have lots of cap space free, and had to spend it somewhere, and decided to recruit Daisy.
All in all its not bad. Another thing that is not being considered, is that Daisy played in a fair few different roles for us this year. Between half back flank, and forward pocket, wing and the occasional run on the ball. That wouldnt assist a lot of players.
For everyone who is questioning it, you sort of get your answer in the names that finished just ahead of him. Docherty missed a fair chunk of the season and yet out voted him. Judd missed almost half the year and out voted him. Even Everitt missed a good 4+ matches and he still polled better. There were enough good games (like the West Coach and Freo matches) that would have gotten Daisy into the votes. Sure, there were enough that would have hurt him, but he played more footy than both Docherty and Judd yet still finished behind them in the B+F.
^^ this...
Hopefully someone else saying it other than me makes it clearer to everyone else haha
as the prophet said
[1] A few of last year's serious underachievers have REALLY improved significantly in 2014. Including the winner. That is something I consider as positive.
[2] We made 3 trade type deals at the end of 2013: Everitt, Docherty and Thomas. All 3 have made it into the top 10 in their first season. Kudos there is obvious to the people who put these deals together.
These are seriously good points
To which I would add Sam Rowe 5th. !!!
How many times has Sam been written off!
Buying MickM is paying off.
Big Time !!!
as the prophet said
[1] A few of last year's serious underachievers have REALLY improved significantly in 2014. Including the winner. That is something I consider as positive.
[2] We made 3 trade type deals at the end of 2013: Everitt, Docherty and Thomas. All 3 have made it into the top 10 in their first season. Kudos there is obvious to the people who put these deals together.
These are seriously good points
To which I would add Sam Rowe 5th. !!!
How many times has Sam been written off!
Buying MickM is paying off.
Big Time !!!
Sam is a good news story. Getting over cancer and then regaining fitness is no small feat let alone playing some good footy. But MickM need a to make us climb the ladder, not change where the also rans finished in the b&f. That's where the pay off is.
Well done Gibbs and the other.
Rapt fro Yarran to finish 4th. More to come from this bloke!
Equally rapt for Rowe to finish 5th (called it!!!). he thoroughly deserves it!
Everitt and Docherty schrewd pick ups by MM and co, hopefully we go again this trade period!
For what its worth here is mine
Gibbs
Murphy
Simpson
Yarran
Rowe
Everitt
Docherty
Judd
Jamieson
Curnow
Nailed the top 5!
Without being privy to the voting criteria I remain a touch sceptical about some of the players that filled out the top 10, but other than Curnow I don't see who really missed out. I reckon Docherty had an encouraging year but top 10 BnF is a stretch, ditto Thomas.
Without being privy to the voting criteria I remain a touch sceptical about some of the players that filled out the top 10, but other than Curnow I don't see who really missed out. I reckon Docherty had an encouraging year but top 10 BnF is a stretch, ditto Thomas.
That's the thing, we're not privy to the roles players are given so it's difficult for us to judge whether a player did their job well.
* Being cute, with 18 guys on the paddock, being in the top ten means best half!
Still, I loved the results.
* Can I dare ask why it took so many years to play BryceG in the midfield? Or did it not make sense to stick SamR down back?
Do we take too long to rely on the obvious?
*Great move to fit Casboult in as the second ruckman/forward !
*Hey our best first year player only got very late games! we wonder why not earlier?
Good to see all three of the players we traded in last summer finishing top 10 in the B&F, we might be finally starting to get things right.
Congrats to Bryce Gibbs, he had an outstanding season.
It's interesting to compare the CSC B&F with CFC's version:
CFC CSC
1 - Gibbs Gibbs
2 - Murphy Murphy
3 - Simpson Simpson
4 - Yarran Judd
5 - Rowe Yarran
6 - Jamison Curnow
7 - Judd Waite
7 - Everitt Henderson
9 - Docherty Everitt
10 – Thomas Menzel
Curnow missing out and Thomas making tenth are the major differences . . . and I reckon our results better reflect reality.
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Rowe and Jamison speak differently.
Those two have done their job each week, but the amount of ball coming into defensive fifty too easily meant that we got scored against heavily at times.
I cant really think of an individual forward that monstored our defense all season aside from Buddy and Hawkins.
Good point Thry, and perhaps that's where the CFC B&F process better reflects how well players perform their roles.
Blaine Johnson picked up votes!!
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Rowe and Jamison speak differently.
Those two have done their job each week, but the amount of ball coming into defensive fifty too easily meant that we got scored against heavily at times.
I cant really think of an individual forward that monstored our defense all season aside from Buddy and Hawkins.
Also clubs go into depth when they review defender's performances. They don't say Buddy kicked 7, Jamison was on him he played crap. They look at how each goal occurred and if Jamison was at fault or not.