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Title: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 15, 2015, 09:16:04 pm
Nice start from Aus with a demolition of regular easybeats England.......great start from Mitch Marsh with 5 wickets and Aaron Finch flayed the English attack with
a great 130 odd, he had support from the under pressure Bailey and the very inventive Glen Maxwell.
Steve Finn took a Claytons hat trick from the last three balls of the Aus innings and the jockey size James Taylor made 98 not out before the umpires robbed him off the opportunity to make a century by incorrectly giving Anderson out off a dead ball which they said was live...most junior cricketers would know that rule...

New Zealand flogged Sri Lanka and appear with us as the team to beat...their swing bowling attack is very suited to their home conditions and they have some real
heavy hitters ...Corey Anderson plays like David Warner and probably hits the ball harder, the wily old Dan Vettori keeps on keeping on and is still a fine bowler.
Brendan McCullum has taken his game to a different level over the last few seasons and is probably on a par with Adam Gilchrist  in terms of output.....
Cant wait for the Aus vs NZ game..

South Africa beat the Zimbabs.....easy in the end but they dont give me the impression they are the real deal...were 4 for 80 and were saved by the impressive David Miller and JP Duminy who both score tons and 340  was always going to be too many to chase.

India are currently flogging Pakistan much to the delight of their supporters who have turned out on mass in Adelaide and are making as much noise as I have heard at
a cricket game.....Kholi another hundred and is a gun player who thrives in the big games but will need support to get India over the line come finals time IMO...

Cant believe I am reading that Mitch Marsh might be the man to have to make way for Michael Clarke to return to the team....Bailey would be my choice to leave out....
Watto made another duck and his bowling was only average...think he has three zero scores from his last five one dayers vs England....but if Marsh goes out we need his bowling. The Bangers are next up I think and you would expect Watson to make runs...

Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Mantis on February 15, 2015, 09:32:57 pm
Some big scores in those games you mentioned. One day cricket has moved along so far from the early days when Viv Richards played. In fact his side would get flogged by these modern sides and probably struggle to win 40% of their games. When has a side back then had to chase down scores well over 300 runs. 340, 342 etc. Then again I shouldn't say too much, as their bowling attack wouldn't allow these scores to start with. Some very ordinary bowling in this world cup series so far.

I myself like Marsh as a bowler and think he should definitely have a place in the side. Drop Watson. He isn't the player he was in the past. Pakistan is a classic case of a side that doesn't know how to bowl to their field placings. No wonder India gave them trouble. Kholi in my opinion is one of the best 10 batsmen in the world currently playing. Had a great test series here recently and shows real playing ability. Knows when to be patient, and when to play his strokes.

South Africa and Australia are by far the best 2 one day sides, by a country mile on current form. I just can't see a side that will trouble them. Is this the right time to take my foot out of my mouth.  :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: DJC on February 15, 2015, 09:40:12 pm
The Pom's have a real problem with Eoin Morgan's form or, more correctly, lack of form.  No team can afford carry a batsman who can't make runs consistently, let alone not at all.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 15, 2015, 10:45:10 pm
The Pom's have a real problem with Eoin Morgan's form or, more correctly, lack of form.  No team can afford carry a batsman who can't make runs consistently, let alone not at all.

Yep....the transition from Cook to Morgan has run out of gas as the captain cant make a run to save himself....I think he needs to bat higher up the order at No 3 where they have
mucked around with Ballance who isnt up to it and Taylor who looks better at NO 6.
How Ben Stokes cant get into that squad is beyond me....hits the ball hard, is aggressive and is more than handy with the ball......allrounders are like gold and you have to keep
sticking fat with them IMO until they mature at both skillsets...

The only team that lose more games than England due to off field politics and poor selections etc is the West Indies.....
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Professer E on February 16, 2015, 10:10:00 am
Watson fields like an old man... given the up and coming all rounders he needs runs to justify his selection going forwards.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on February 16, 2015, 07:52:56 pm
Pardon my ignorance.....why are the scores so high these days? How does Ireland chase down 300 so comfortably?
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Amers on February 16, 2015, 08:09:25 pm
Pardon my ignorance.....why are the scores so high these days? How does Ireland chase down 300 so comfortably?

Bigger bats = easier to hit 4 and 6's
T20 would have had an influence on the way the 50 over game is played too.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Slippery on February 16, 2015, 08:19:15 pm
Pardon my ignorance.....why are the scores so high these days? How does Ireland chase down 300 so comfortably?

Bigger bats = easier to hit 4 and 6's
T20 would have had an influence on the way the 50 over game is played too.

Fielding restrictions have also changed - only 4 outside the circle. Oval boundaries much shorter, even at MCG. Any team that doesn't get 300 on a decent pitch will get beat in the quarters and semis.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: laj on February 16, 2015, 08:36:39 pm
Watson fields like an old man... given the up and coming all rounders he needs runs to justify his selection going forwards.

Yes, we have class allrounders coming out of our backside so he can't rely on the fact he bowls now to maintain his spot.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 16, 2015, 10:03:13 pm
Pardon my ignorance.....why are the scores so high these days? How does Ireland chase down 300 so comfortably?

Bigger bats = easier to hit 4 and 6's
T20 would have had an influence on the way the 50 over game is played too.

Agree on the bats...Alan Border was asked the same question and said the players are much fitter and stronger. today,here were no weights sessions in the old days.
You also have the bigger grounds roped off which makes hitting sixes easier...

David Miller from South Africa vs Zimbabwe hit one ball out of the ground, cleared the stands etc.......

re: Ireland vs Windies.....the latter are a rabble who play with no heart or pride and should have won that game easily...their fielding was carefree and careless like their bowling.
I'd be interested to know how much money was wagered on that game....bet some Indians made a few rupee's on that result...
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 21, 2015, 12:21:57 am
New Zealand have just destroyed England in their WC game...Southee had it going like a banana with late swing and took 7 for 30 something then McCullum hit  a quickfire 70 odd from 24 balls......the scorecard says NZ are great but I'm inclined to think England are just woeful......not sure where the WC final is being played but anyone playing NZ at home wont be starting favorites given the conditions are just so much in their favour.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: laj on February 21, 2015, 07:38:16 pm
New Zealand have just destroyed England in their WC game...Southee had it going like a banana with late swing and took 7 for 30 something then McCullum hit  a quickfire 70 odd from 24 balls......the scorecard says NZ are great but I'm inclined to think England are just woeful......not sure where the WC final is being played but anyone playing NZ at home wont be starting favorites given the conditions are just so much in their favour.

Final is at the MCG.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 21, 2015, 09:36:37 pm
Pakistan losing to the Windies...were 4 for 1 at one stage and dropped 5 catches.....now a cynical person might think that the Paki's threw this game and were back to their old  ways... :-X :-\
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 21, 2015, 09:43:27 pm
New Zealand have just destroyed England in their WC game...Southee had it going like a banana with late swing and took 7 for 30 something then McCullum hit  a quickfire 70 odd from 24 balls......the scorecard says NZ are great but I'm inclined to think England are just woeful......not sure where the WC final is being played but anyone playing NZ at home wont be starting favorites given the conditions are just so much in their favour.

Final is at the MCG.

Thanks for that info Jim..good news its at the "G"...
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: dodge on February 22, 2015, 11:25:28 pm
Apparently the atmosphere at the G today was amazing.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Amers on February 23, 2015, 12:55:27 am
Why is the non Australian games not being shown on FTA?

Pathetic I reckon.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 23, 2015, 06:16:53 pm
Why is the non Australian games not being shown on FTA?

Pathetic I reckon.

Agree..the non Aus games are on Foxtel.....
Aus vs NZ this week is the game of the tournament....

India did it easy vs the Saffies and are probably the other team to beat with NZ...
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Amers on February 23, 2015, 08:17:07 pm
Why is the non Australian games not being shown on FTA?

Pathetic I reckon.

Agree..the non Aus games are on Foxtel.....


Figured as much, IMO it is still a joke that something like a cricket world cup is not being shown in it;s entirety on FTA.

What next? Are we going to lose more AFL games?
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 23, 2015, 09:00:43 pm
Why is the non Australian games not being shown on FTA?

Pathetic I reckon.

Agree..the non Aus games are on Foxtel.....


Figured as much, IMO it is still a joke that something like a cricket world cup is not being shown in it;s entirety on FTA.

What next? Are we going to lose more AFL games?

I guess the Free to air TV stations think there is no viewing audience for the non Aus games and like the AFL,  Foxtel pick up those non rating games which I presume get
relayed back to other countries like India, England etc..
I havent checked but I bet some of the Indian legal/illegal websites would have live feeds of the other games....

I think we will lose AFL games in the long run as the money for TV rights get bigger and the Free to air station need more support of pay TVers like Foxtel to cover all games.
The moral of this story is to become more successful and we will appear more on free to air TV
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: thomas on February 26, 2015, 05:15:52 pm
Best game of the tournament I reckon, Scotland v Afghanistan, the latter won 9/211 to 10/210 in the last over of their innings.

For once the bowlers have something going for them instead of tracks tailored for batsmen.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: laj on February 26, 2015, 09:44:52 pm
Why is the non Australian games not being shown on FTA?

Pathetic I reckon.

Agree..the non Aus games are on Foxtel.....


Figured as much, IMO it is still a joke that something like a cricket world cup is not being shown in it;s entirety on FTA.

What next? Are we going to lose more AFL games?


I havent checked but I bet some of the Indian legal/illegal websites would have live feeds of the other games....

www.crictime.com

Inundated with crap you wouldn't download unless you asked for computer trouble by the stream itself is great. Can watch any game you want.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Bear on February 28, 2015, 01:11:15 pm
3-89 off 15 overs.

Aussies off to a flyer, kiwis have pegged us back a bit with a few wickets.

Good viewing so far. Ridiculously small ground.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Bear on February 28, 2015, 01:24:12 pm
5 for 96, Smith and Maxwell out. Aussies in trouble.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on February 28, 2015, 01:25:45 pm
Aussie's crumbling like biscuits.... Over paid Prima Donnas... Pfft
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Professer E on February 28, 2015, 01:43:34 pm
Over-hyped....over confident and totally out played.

Finch zero or 100.
Warner... average ODI record.  Needs to scare sides with actual runs, not reputation.
Watson... finished... good bye.
Smith... form has vanished in the world cup.  Needs runs.
Marsh...  keeping a seat warm for Faulkner.
Maxwell... dumb cricketer. 
Clarke... fancy thinking he could have a few nets then play in a high pressure game like this and succeed...  premier test player but best ODI form behind him.  Horrible, horrible shot.

Have played so badly this game reeks of a set up but it *(^_(^(^* me off why we always play so awfully against this mob.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Bear on February 28, 2015, 02:30:31 pm
Lot of "get out" shots... poor batting display. Still, if we can somehow get another 30 runs and get Macallum early you never know.

Haddin out... Jinx!
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: thomas on February 28, 2015, 02:53:28 pm
25 runs / 2 overs.

Playing like minnows.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: thomas on February 28, 2015, 03:30:38 pm
At least got McCullum cheap (50 off 24 balls  ;D).  Cummins got him.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Bear on February 28, 2015, 05:50:17 pm
Ended up a ripping game. Starc nearly pulled it off single handedly.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 28, 2015, 06:02:33 pm
Great game and I think we came out the winner even though the Kiwi's won the game...at the MCG we will beat NZ in the final if both teams makes it IMO given the conditions will be different and devoid of swing/seam which suits the Kiwi pace attack.

Boult the NZ version is impressive, swings the ball at decent pace and doesnt offer up much rubbish, Starc was able to counter for us but Johnson was woeful and got hammered on the smaller ground where miss hits go for six very easily.
The Kiwis play the game a bit different to other teams in the way they bowl to take wickets rather than stop runs and MCullum is a very aggressive captain
who just rotates his strike bowlers hoping to bowl teams out before he has to use his lesser bowlers..

Vettori changed the game and was the reason we fell in a hole after a good start...Watson's dumb pull shot where he was caught on the boundary started the rot and
we need a new No 3...
McCullum blasted our bowlers until injured but their other batters with the exception of the classy Kane Williamson are just sloggers who might find the MCG harder to clear the boundary.....
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Lods on February 28, 2015, 06:13:54 pm
When I was a young fellow I was cricket fanatic.
I stayed up all night listening to games from overseas
I kept stats and averages for all the Sheffield shield games (they weren't as readily available in the old days as they are in the internet age).
Over the years, for a number of reasons, I've lost interest.
I hardly ever watch games these days.

That game today just about brought me back ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Bear on February 28, 2015, 06:25:01 pm
Agree Elwood, just don't think they will have enough to beat Aust or SA at the pointy end.  But i'd be pretty happy to not have to play them over there in the semi.

Lods - something about a tight game of cricket that is really unique.







Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 28, 2015, 07:09:21 pm
Agree Elwood, just don't think they will have enough to beat Aust or SA at the pointy end.  But i'd be pretty happy to not have to play them over there in the semi.

Lods - something about a tight game of cricket that is really unique.


Agree Bear that I wouldnt want to be playing them in the semis especially if its in NZ.....
Bit sad for me to see Martin Crowe be inducted into the hall of fame but be so sick and resigned to his fate and I hope todays result might see a miracle follow for him....great player and always a gentleman on and off the field.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: malo on February 28, 2015, 09:02:31 pm
We will never bat that badly again.......mind you, I'd give Watto the flick...that was atrocious & started the rot.  Bailey in the side for mine.

NZ - rely waaaay to much on Macallum.  But they can't be discounted now that's for sure.

Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Mantis on February 28, 2015, 09:10:15 pm
I never saw Australia bat, but the score card told the story there. Bowling I was definitely not happy about. Sure they took wickets, but way too many loose deliveries. Line and length issues from what I was watching. I haven't seen a score card from Australia like that for quite some time. Was the bowling that good from new Zealand, or was the batting that poor ? 152 all out was what I remember watching from Pakistan back in the 80's.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: laj on February 28, 2015, 09:27:58 pm
Over-hyped....over confident and totally out played.

Finch zero or 100.
Warner... average ODI record.  Needs to scare sides with actual runs, not reputation.
Watson... finished... good bye.
Smith... form has vanished in the world cup.  Needs runs.
Marsh...  keeping a seat warm for Faulkner.
Maxwell... dumb cricketer. 
Clarke... fancy thinking he could have a few nets then play in a high pressure game like this and succeed...  premier test player but best ODI form behind him.  Horrible, horrible shot.

Have played so badly this game reeks of a set up but it *(^_(^(^* me off why we always play so awfully against this mob
Clarke has to play at some stage. It's a only group game so good as anytime to start. Would've had a hit if he got to play last week. That pitch was holding up alot after the ball got old causing alot of bad shots.

Marsh won't get dropped, 60 and 5 wickets against England. Faulkner will replace Watson.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Amers on February 28, 2015, 11:37:05 pm
A cracker of a game !!!!
I didn't think so after we were bowled out for 151. Out batting is very flakey.
Lucky our bowlers picked up the slack and nearly got us over the line.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: thomas on March 01, 2015, 12:53:11 am
On reflection it is good to see the bowlers get the upper hand sometimes in this type of cricket.  :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: sandsmere on March 01, 2015, 07:21:51 am
Damn good game of cricket I reckon.
We've done very well all summer and a loss now and again doesn't do any harm.
Faulkner in for Watson is a must. If Faulkner isn't fit, Bailey in.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Sexybronco on March 02, 2015, 01:46:20 pm
Damn good game of cricket I reckon.
We've done very well all summer and a loss now and again doesn't do any harm.
Faulkner in for Watson is a must. If Faulkner isn't fit, Bailey in.

Unfortunately it will be Faulkner for Marsh or Maxwell as dropping Watson will leave a gaping a hole at No 3. I'm no fan but Watson will play barring injuries as he wasn't the worst batsmen we had last Friday.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Professer E on March 02, 2015, 02:03:48 pm
We already have a gaping hole at 3... maybe try Smith there.  A real issue I have is the timing of Watson's dismissals... I have the perception that he tends to get out at times that are very bad for the team.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Sexybronco on March 02, 2015, 03:38:33 pm
We already have a gaping hole at 3... maybe try Smith there.  A real issue I have is the timing of Watson's dismissals... I have the perception that he tends to get out at times that are very bad for the team.

Probably right but his ODI record will see him given every chance at No 3.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 24, 2015, 10:00:18 pm
Kiwis through to the Final in a great game vs the Saffies who probably should have won given they got dealt a poor hand by the weather and the Duckworth Lewis system.
 A Grant Elliott six of Steyn from the 2nd last ball was the winning hit and the NZ fans went feral...er..more feral than usual....
Steyn and Philander both carried injuries which left the Saffies attack a bit light on but they fought it out and didnt choke this time...although they had one comical catching attempt where two players went for a skied ball and nearly collided and the catch was dropped at a crucial stage...
Saffies really wanted this win and several of their players were in tears at games end...

Aus vs India next and I expect us to win it easily with our better pace attack and then beat NZ who have had their slice of luck this tournament and I think
its about to run out away from their little grounds and banana ball bending conditions....
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Mantis on March 24, 2015, 10:05:15 pm
Kiwis are close to being favourites in this one. If we lose to India, I would expect NZ to completely smash India. We better not drop the ball (pardon the pun) in the next match. I never thought South Africa would miss the final. SA and Aust would have been expected to play the big one. Good effort by the Kiwis. Must hand them credit for the entire tournament so far. They haven't dropped a game yet so far. Might be time to upset them in the final. The one that counts. ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: raven on March 26, 2015, 03:40:19 pm
Solid start by us here. Plenty of Indian crowd noise, they do love their cricket.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Amers on March 26, 2015, 11:11:46 pm
Good win, our bowling is solid, if we bat well in the final we should be in with a good show of wining the cup !!
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Juddkreuzer on March 27, 2015, 01:23:20 am
Made it to the final so now we cannot lose to the Kiwi's. We will never ever live it down if we do. On form though I have serious concerns.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: sandsmere on March 27, 2015, 06:37:45 am
Made it to the final so now we cannot lose to the Kiwi's. We will never ever live it down if we do. On form though I have serious concerns.


Our form can't be too bad. We made it to the final. O:-)
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on March 27, 2015, 07:32:11 am
This World Cup has been going on for too long, I dare say a few have lost interest along the way.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2015, 10:17:58 am
Dhoni basically lost when he lost the toss and it didn't turn as expected.  It seemed to be an easy pitch to survive on but a difficult pitch to force the pace on - so many blokes caught at mid on or short square splicing mistimed pulls suggests that it was slow and got slower as the game progressed.  Once Johnson et al found the right length and the pill(s) got softer and started to wobble around batting got difficult.

Moving Smith to 3 is a masterstroke... I should be a selector.  I get the feeling that Clarke is in the side for his captaincy and JIC the batting gets the wobbles because middle order power hitter he ain't... he's clearly a platform builder for others to follow.

I hope there are plans in place for Macullum and Vettori.
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: age on March 27, 2015, 10:22:05 am
Smith has the sharpest ears in Cricket.  Rumour he heard a guy fart in  Aisle 45 Row D seat 14
Title: Re: World Cup 2015
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 27, 2015, 11:24:57 am
Dhoni basically lost when he lost the toss and it didn't turn as expected.  It seemed to be an easy pitch to survive on but a difficult pitch to force the pace on - so many blokes caught at mid on or short square splicing mistimed pulls suggests that it was slow and got slower as the game progressed.  Once Johnson et al found the right length and the pill(s) got softer and started to wobble around batting got difficult.

Moving Smith to 3 is a masterstroke... I should be a selector.  I get the feeling that Clarke is in the side for his captaincy and JIC the batting gets the wobbles because middle order power hitter he ain't... he's clearly a platform builder for others to follow.

I hope there are plans in place for Macullum and Vettori.

With Smith at No 3 I think Vettori wont be so much of a problem as he and Clarke play spin better than our openers or Watto......Kiwis may shock and bring Vettori on very early if Finch and Warner
are going hard. McCullum is the most attacking captain in WC in terms of fielding and bowling changes....we need to force him to push his fielders back and bring on his lesser bowers earlier.
He likes to bowl his best bowlers in the early and middle overs and try and bowl teams out and always has catchers behind the wicket regardless of who is batting or what the score is...
Boult is their most dangerous bowler IMO and is a natural swinger of the ball rather than relying on conditions and I would be just be happy to get through his overs without taking too many risks and go after the others. Left arm quicks are flavour of the WC and all the good teams have them.....I expect Starc and Johnson to bowl us to victory...
NZ workmates plan on having a large NZ flag draped across our office at work for a week if they win so that cant happen..... ;)