It was nice to see how we responded last week. Hopefully we can show something of that spirit this time as well.
I don't expect us to win with the injuries we have. So many of our better players are sitting in the stands again. It has been so long since we've had a full list to select from that I can't even remember it. It hasn't happened this Century as yet and doesn't look like happening any time soon.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Happy...dont like Freo or Longmuir and thought around 15 points would be the margin.
Fell over the line.
Some good signs from Dow, Stocker and Kennedy.
Weitering, Walsh and Silvagni all great.
Just love the Stockman…. Great kid doesn’t take a backward step.
Great win…
Tonight showed why Pittonet is underrated.
TDK ragdolled tonight.
Dow is growing every week.
Kennedy started well....disappeared but was ok at the death.
We carried Cripps
Ed Curnow is taking a back seat from midfield duties
Our young crop is growing, evolving, improving....
Fell over the line.
Some good signs from Dow, Stocker and Kennedy.
Weitering, Walsh and Silvagni all great.
Agree....Weitering and his mate Jones have really held the team together IMO...Jack was very cool and Walsh was his usual busy self
but Weitering has been the man most weeks for me and is the AA CHB.
Just leave Paddy Dow in the guts, that is all.
Need a Review every year, we play better...
Just love the Stockman…. Great kid doesn’t take a backward step.
Great win…
That moment were Lobb had Weiters beat on the lead and Stock ran back to fill the hole, that's what I want to see defenders do.
That moment were Lobb had Weiters beat on the lead and Stock ran back to fill the hole, that's what I want to see defenders do.
....and the 'ear massage' he dished out early in the game too. >:D
Can't wait for when Stockers gets a run in the middle he is fast becoming my new Favourite player!. Dow is starting to look like the playerwe thought he wouls be when he was drafted. some positive signs at long last
Tonight showed why Pittonet is underrated.
TDK ragdolled tonight.
Dow is growing every week.
Kennedy started well....disappeared but was ok at the death.
We carried Cripps
Ed Curnow is taking a back seat from midfield duties
Our young crop is growing, evolving, improving....
Darcy is a big unit and TDK got tired trying to out jump him.....Casboult was next to useless as well in the ruck which doesnt help him either.
Agree on Pittonet though, more valuable than most think, its not about winning the ruck everytime but just nullifying
the opposition rucks and breaking even when they probably have the edge in numbers and ability.
That moment were Lobb had Weiters beat on the lead and Stock ran back to fill the hole, that's what I want to see defenders do.
Liked the job he did on Walters...not many possies but Walters did nothing.
Need a Review every year, we play better...
Keep going like this and it's going to be a bit of an embarrassment....'have the bosses gone off half cocked?'
Ironic that Casboult who had had a dirty day imposed himself a bit at the end.
Q1 good
Q2 faded
Q3 lights out
Q4 WE fight till the end
Keep going like this and it's going to be a bit of an embarrassment....'have the bosses gone off half cocked'.
Ironic that Casboult who had had a dirty day imposed himself a bit at the end.
I guess the perspective viewpoint is that if the game was in Freo it might not have been the same result and that the players know its crunch time for coach and a few of them career wise and the effort had to improve, which it has.
Some cruel individuals might even suggest some missing players this week might have worked in our favour...😉
Keep going like this and it's going to be a bit of an embarrassment....'have the bosses gone off half cocked?'
They clearly didn't look at the fixture when they called for the review. I did.
Ironic that Casboult who had had a dirty day imposed himself a bit at the end.
Well, he was fresh from doing SFA for the rest of the game. ;D
Plowman was huge for us again tonight
If Casboult didn't play we would have lost.
If Casboult didn't play we would have lost.
Lol
Tonight showed why Pittonet is underrated.
TDK ragdolled tonight.
Dow is growing every week.
Kennedy started well....disappeared but was ok at the death.
We carried Cripps
Ed Curnow is taking a back seat from midfield duties
Our young crop is growing, evolving, improving....
Both Kennedy and Dow dropped off after early fire. Hopefully that’s the next step — turn 2 qs into 4
So many little things I liked about our game. Fast start and fighting finish though were the best 👏 It shows we have the fitness to match mid-ladder sides. Also suggests confidence and belief is building. All this despite one of the longest list of injuries.
Loved that a team first effort led by the natural leaders was the difference. Stocker, Dow, Kennedy, Walsh, SOS, Crippa, Weiters-Jones, Eddie were fantastic. The defensive efforts by H and many others, and our goalkicking / de was the difference in the end. We finally won the tackle count too.
Plowman was huge for us again tonight
Weiters was hugerer ;D
Darcy is a big unit and TDK got tired trying to out jump him.....Casboult was next to useless as well in the ruck which doesnt help him either.
Agree on Pittonet though, more valuable than most think, its not about winning the ruck everytime but just nullifying
the opposition rucks and breaking even when they probably have the edge in numbers and ability.
Casboult next to useless? His work in the last quarter when De Koning was spent was crucial. Pittonet would have given a contest but Darcy would have been far too strong and skillful for him. As Jack Dyer used to say, Pittonet is a good ordinary player who is, at best, a back up ruckman.
If Casboult didn't play we would have lost.
Interesting derm , in the last q, talking about how cas actually held up much better than tdk, in the ruck. Tdk tired quickly and freo started dominating out of the middle. CAS held his own a bit more and neutralised Darcy a bit
Weiters was hugerer ;D
Loved the look on his face when he took a goal saving grab (on the 3q siren?), and gave every teammate in earshot a spray - looked like a bit of “why the fck do I keep having to bail you guys out”
The whipping boys did OK tonight: good efforts from Samo, Dow, Willo, Kennedy and Casboult :)
Loved the look on his face when he took a goal saving grab (on the 3q siren?), and gave every teammate in earshot a spray - looked like a bit of “why the fck do I keep having to bail you guys out”
Jones is a ripper but has the odd brain fade with his disposal.
They clearly didn't look at the fixture when they called for the review. I did.
Considering the result, listening to the crowd reaction to Teague and watching his interaction with the players at the end of the game I'd suggest many of the media will be jumping on the 'Kruddler tram' this week.
The thing is that the focus of media attention this week probably wont be the game itself and the positive aspects.
It will be how stupid are Carlton conducting a review on a side while they're still competitive.
Considering the result, listening to the crowd reaction to Teague and watching his interaction with the players at the end of the game I'd suggest many of the media will be jumping on the 'Kruddler tram' this week.
The thing is that the focus of media attention this week probably wont be the game itself and the positive aspects.
It will be how stupid are Carlton conducting a review on a side while they're still competitive.
Or, if freo had kicked straight... oh, and by the way, how good were Essendon.....
Considering the result, listening to the crowd reaction to Teague and watching his interaction with the players at the end of the game I'd suggest many of the media will be jumping on the 'Kruddler tram' this week.
The thing is that the focus of media attention this week probably wont be the game itself and the positive aspects.
It will be how stupid are Carlton conducting a review on a side while they're still competitive.
I'm not sure about that Lods. Freo are flakey at best and we worked hard at getting them back into the game. I think that the game encapsulates our problems; our good is outstanding but our bad is terrible. If the review can work out how to move our bad closer to our good, it will be a job well done.
Loved the look on his face when he took a goal saving grab (on the 3q siren?), and gave every teammate in earshot a spray - looked like a bit of “why the fck do I keep having to bail you guys out”
Noticed that too. First time I've seen him look really p$*€$d. I like it, it suits him. Perhaps a little Stocker is rubbing off on him.
Darcy is a big unit and TDK got tired trying to out jump him.....Casboult was next to useless as well in the ruck which doesnt help him either.
Agree on Pittonet though, more valuable than most think, its not about winning the ruck everytime but just nullifying
the opposition rucks and breaking even when they probably have the edge in numbers and ability.
Levi at least stopped the dominance of Darcy. After a stinker of a night his last 20 min was very important. Given we won't be winning much in the ruck anyway we might be better starting Levi in the ruck given his extra strength. Goes better when he gets a free run around the ground whereas TDK might give more value than Levi forward.
Loved the look on his face when he took a goal saving grab (on the 3q siren?), and gave every teammate in earshot a spray - looked like a bit of “why the fck do I keep having to bail you guys out”
He has next skipper written all over him.
Or, if freo had kicked straight... oh, and by the way, how good were Essendon.....
I'm not sure about that Lods. Freo are flakey at best and we worked hard at getting them back into the game. I think that the game encapsulates our problems; our good is outstanding but our bad is terrible. If the review can work out how to move our bad closer to our good, it will be a job well done.
That's why the timing of the review 'in season' is out of whack.
It's going to be influenced to a large extent by short term week to week results.
Levi at least stopped the dominance of Darcy. After a stinker of a night his last 20 min was very important. Given we won't be winning much in the ruck anyway we might be better starting Levi in the ruck given his extra strength. Goes better when he gets a free run around the ground whereas TDK might give more value than Levi forward.
Fair points, I thought TDK needed more of a break during the game ...Levi took a couple of marks late that were handy but I'd be more worried that TDK will be run into the ground in the next few weeks if we dont look after him better.
Maybe as you say Levi needs to start onball or get an earlier run to warm him up and to share the workload better.
Newman got his job done again. Happy with his return from injury. Can't help but feel optimistic if we could manage a season with less injuries
Newman got his job done again. Happy with his return from injury. Can't help but feel optimistic if we could manage a season with less injuries
Used the ball well did Newman and I didnt mind Williamsons game either....
Fair points, I thought TDK needed more of a break during the game ...Levi took a couple of marks late that were handy but I'd be more worried that TDK will be run into the ground in the next few weeks if we dont look after him better.
Maybe as you say Levi needs to start onball or get an earlier run to warm him up and to share the workload better.
Absolutely!
Tom is still a lightweight for a first ruck and giving him a spell in between jumping over the opposition rucks will increase his effectiveness and keep him on the park. Getting Levi involved in the game early improves his output. If he hasn't taken a mark in the first five minutes, throw him into the ruck.
Last week we kicked 0.5 in q4.
This week we kicked 2.5. Is that fatigue? On both occasions we had very getable shots. Naturally Walsh's goal tonight was a freak snap.
Pleasingly we had 8 goalkickers 👏
That's why the timing of the review 'in season' is out of whack.
It's going to be influenced to a large extent by short term week to week results.
Again, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. The review may have ramifications for coaching positions and list management and it's best to sort those matters out before the best coaches are employed and list management decisions have to be made.
Last week we kicked 0.5 in q4.
This week we kicked 2.5. Is that fatigue? On both occasions we had very getable shots. Naturally Walsh's goal tonight was a freak snap.
Pleasingly we had 8 goalkickers 👏
I'm sure they do it just to make our life tough.. lol.
We were very accurate until then.
Cripps was struggling with an injury, even though we officially didn't have any. Otherwise, he wouldn't have used his left foot like he did in the 3rd. And he still did some really good things.
For most of the night Walsh was being shadowed quite well. But in the last quarter he was nothing short of brilliant. That goal was incredible.
Kennedy was good in the middle, especially in the middle two quarters, because he just got the ball forward without trying to be fancy. We got goals from his clearances. When he wasn't in the middle, he barely touched in those quarters. He was good early and very solid in the last.
In the last quarter and in the first we really squashed Fyffe. But in the middle two we had problems with our centre setup.
Levi Casboult more than needed the run. For 3 quarters he was dreadful, dropping marks and making mistakes. His last quarter was another beat entirely. Him lifting denied Freo the easy clearances. We have little choice but to play him: we don't have another tall to bring in. But he did a lot of redeeming in that last quarter.
Jack Silvagni had a dominant game. he has rarely had more of the ball. We finally looked for him on the lead and his first two kicks at goal were superb. That was how he did back in his first season. That is what he needs to do every week.
Darcy is a big unit and TDK got tired trying to out jump him.....Casboult was next to useless as well in the ruck which doesnt help him either.
Levi WAS next to useless for the first 3/4 but played an essential role in the final 1/4 when TDK was stuffed.
The whipping boys did OK tonight: good efforts from Samo, Dow, Willo, Kennedy and Casboult :)
Dow and Kennedy were very good at times - the other three (plus Martin and Fogarty) contributed at various stages without being particularly impressive. Probably the first time this year that I couldn't identify a complete passenger.
Also the first time this year that the umpires didn't drive me crazy and didn't try to impose themselves on the game.
Real positives for me in the last 2 wins were we were challenged in the last quarter of both games and showed real grunt and desire to dig in when it really mattered.
However even bigger then that is the wins are coming with big contributions from the lesser lights.
Jack Kennedy Dow Stocker had big moments Om this win.
As good as all of the above are Stocker is becoming a favourite of mine. This kid knows the moments in games he backs himself will do all the little things and has the balls to drop into a hole and get crunched. And he has every teammates back which is a rare commodity on our list.
I didn’t rate sos work as highly as some but admit he deserves all the credit for that one.
Only negative is the severity of Cripps ankle. Would not be at all surprised if it’s a serious injury but our captain just willed himself on and pushed thru the obvious pain.
Was very proud of Crippa today and hope the media also recognise what he did to lead his side no matter what. With Doc being out I reckon Crippa knew he had to stand up no matter what tonight and he was all heart and that performance won’t go unnoticed to this young team.
Weitering all game and Walsh when it mattered were both generals tonight.
I’m going to sleep happy!
The whipping boys did OK tonight: good efforts from Samo, Dow, Willo, Kennedy and Casboult :)
Casboult made a cameo appearance in the last qtr thankfully. SPS floated in and out, didn't impress me this week.
Dow and Kennedy were excellent, Willo stuck to his defensive task.
I posted at 3 quarter time that Sean Darcy had 175 supercoach points which is really high for a full game.
He only got an extra 17 points in the final term, Casboult stopped the rampage.
All the love for Casboult’s last q???
Really? Well I’m gonna have to watch that again. I’ll be back in 30.
Reckon we're anchored to our ladder position ... or thereabouts. The stars are unlikely to align to help us out much.
Some good signs out of the day. But fadeouts inevitably haunt us. Exacerbated by so many injuries. :(
Reckon we're anchored to our ladder position ... or thereabouts. The stars are unlikely to align to help us out much.
Some good signs out of the day. But fadeouts inevitably haunt us. Exacerbated by so many injuries. :(
The importance of shopping for 4 points early in the season highlighted yet again.
Darcy is a big unit and TDK got tired trying to out jump him.....Casboult was next to useless as well in the ruck which doesnt help him either.
Agree on Pittonet though, more valuable than most think, its not about winning the ruck everytime but just nullifying
the opposition rucks and breaking even when they probably have the edge in numbers and ability.
Levi had been abysmal for 3 quarters, no question, but really found something in the last.
Negated Darcy entirely and took some telling, timely ,marks.
Both Kennedy and Dow dropped off after early fire. Hopefully that’s the next step — turn 2 qs into 4
Thought Kennedy was one of the main reasons we held sway in Q4.
Top 3 for mine.
Or, if freo had kicked straight... oh, and by the way, how good were Essendon.....
The points tally can be misleading.
I'd reckon 6 or 7 points were rushed or smashed through from kicks falling short.
We forced them wide making shots on goal difficult. That's smart.
Cerra, for example, kicked 0.2.
Can't recall the first (Q1?), the second he selfishly tried a shot from about 55 out....
We kicked 2.5 to 0.2 in the last, we kick 5.2 or better win by 30+, no one would mention their points tally.
Great win by our lads.
We'll roll the Cats next week.
Cripps was struggling with an injury, even though we officially didn't have any. Otherwise, he wouldn't have used his left foot like he did in the 3rd. And he still did some really good things.
For most of the night Walsh was being shadowed quite well. But in the last quarter he was nothing short of brilliant. That goal was incredible.
Kennedy was good in the middle, especially in the middle two quarters, because he just got the ball forward without trying to be fancy. We got goals from his clearances. When he wasn't in the middle, he barely touched in those quarters. He was good early and very solid in the last.
In the last quarter and in the first we really squashed Fyffe. But in the middle two we had problems with our centre setup.
Levi Casboult more than needed the run. For 3 quarters he was dreadful, dropping marks and making mistakes. His last quarter was another beat entirely. Him lifting denied Freo the easy clearances. We have little choice but to play him: we don't have another tall to bring in. But he did a lot of redeeming in that last quarter.
Jack Silvagni had a dominant game. he has rarely had more of the ball. We finally looked for him on the lead and his first two kicks at goal were superb. That was how he did back in his first season. That is what he needs to do every week.
He hurt his right foot kicking a Freo player in Q1.....
Couldn't kick with his right after that. Made him handball - good outcome!
Don't know why Kennedy isn't in the 22 every week, handy foot soldier in multiple roles.
ps why id we change our 'plan' come Q2.
We started sagging off our opponents and letting them transition way, way too easily.
It was bizarre the transformation....
Our mids got (too) cocky I reckon.
Cripps did well to stay on and showed plenty of ticker. Thought we were a lot more organised this game and had more contributors who worked harder for their teammates.
Docherty, Murphy and Williams missing might have helped us imo, as others took on responsibility and played accountable footy.
Don't know why Kennedy isn't in the 22 every week, handy foot soldier in multiple roles.
And he has a terrific, positive, happy disposition.
Something our team lacks.
Williams in or Willo next week, the rest unchanged I would think (if Crippa's foot is ok).
Twos were putrid again i gather....
Twos aren't putrid, they're just waaaay out if their weight division with almost no KP players. Theres some potential in Carroll, Kemp, Ramsay ET AL.
ps why id we change our 'plan' come Q2.
We started sagging off our opponents and letting them transition way, way too easily.
It was bizarre the transformation....
Our mids got (too) cocky I reckon.
They put Mundy in the middle and I thought he made that change happen.Bigger body and their other mids profited. Plus Darcy started to get some control...
Lucky Freo didn't kick well for goal when they had control of the game.
ps why id we change our 'plan' come Q2.
We started sagging off our opponents and letting them transition way, way too easily.
It was bizarre the transformation....
Our mids got (too) cocky I reckon.
We didn't freo asserted centre square dominance.
We couldn't get our hands on the footy and when we did we turned it over.
Fyfe, Darcy and mundy went up a notch and we struggled with it.
Last nights match was an arm wrestle where we took the ascendancy early, almost finished it off before freo got going and then after quarter time spent 2.5 quarters trying to keep our fist off the table before they tired and we reversed it and pushed them out of it.
They froze more than we won but that in itself is about belief and tenacity which is pleasing to see in our team.
Don't know why Kennedy isn't in the 22 every week, handy foot soldier in multiple roles.
Think Fly and myself have been saying same for a while, he won't be a star especially vs the real class mids but he will always try and can take over from Ed Curnow in that soldier role.
We didn't freo asserted centre square dominance.
We couldn't get our hands on the footy and when we did we turned it over.
Fyfe, Darcy and mundy went up a notch and we struggled with it.
Last nights match was an arm wrestle where we took the ascendancy early, almost finished it off before freo got going and then after quarter time spent 2.5 quarters trying to keep our fist off the table before they tired and we reversed it and pushed them out of it.
They froze more than we won but that in itself is about belief and tenacity which is pleasing to see in our team.
Not in Q2. Yes, when we went to sleep half way through Q3.
In q2, 3 of their 4 goals were from turnovers - largely bad disposal by our lot.
All that aside, all square at 3-4 time. Anyone's game.
We wanted it more.
2.5 to 0.2 says it all.
We've got a good record against that mob, other than them being flaky and god awful slow I don't understand why.
Fate had a lot to do with it, just as Freo geared up with Mundy, Fyfe and Darcy all on ball, Cripps wrecked his foot.
I'm a bit surprised we didn't pull the trigger on Ed to stop Mundy, I suppose the MC want to see the response from Dow and Kennedy. I also think on another day we might have pegged SoJ to tag a Mundy or Fyfe, but we are probably grateful the MC didn't!
I'm a bit surprised by the manner of this result, pre-game I pegged the KPPs as the key, and I think we saw the dominance of Freo's last night, yet we scrapped over the line with little impact from BigH or Levi. Probably SoJ was our most effective KPF.
Weitering and Jones do well, even better sometimes when Jones isn't kicking it directly to opponents.
Weitering is the other level player he always promised to be, he's becoming that Harry Taylor type, in a year or so he'll be doing he same stuff with half the apparent effort.
Think Fly and myself have been saying same for a while, he won't be a star especially vs the real class mids but he will always try and can take over from Ed Curnow in that soldier role.
The lad tackles hard, you know if he tackles you, you'll feel it.
He finds the pill and space well.
And generally uses the ball well. Very good overhead too.
And he's not as 'slow' as many think....
If he can get 20-25 touches a week, that fills a void.
We've got a good record against that mob, other than them being flaky and god awful slow I don't understand why.
They are carp other than their mids.. and when Mundy retires they will really feel it.
Fans in Freo are ferals too, enjoy beating Freo more than a few other teams.
Can't warm to Longmuir either...
Dow played OK last night, but I think he was actually better the week before.
Dow and Walsh still have the habit of handing out some horrible hospital hand passes.
Was that Walsh that Weiters spat the dummy with in the last quarter? It looked to me like Weiters expected Walsh to make 3rd man up and instead Walsh peeled off to rove the contest/spoil and Weiters paid out on him!
Unforgiving game AFL, you have to do 100% right 100% of the time or it can be very costly.
Fate had a lot to do with it, just as Freo geared up with Mundy, Fyfe and Darcy all on ball, Cripps wrecked his foot.
I'm a bit surprised we didn't pull the trigger on Ed to stop Mundy, I suppose the MC want to see the response from Dow and Kennedy. I also think on another day we might have pegged SoJ to tag a Mundy or Fyfe, but we are probably grateful the MC didn't!
Dockers are middle of the road like us presently.
Like us, they really on a few stars heavily - Fyfe, Mundy, Walters....
Darcy carved us up for big parts of last night. TDK needs to bulk up a bit, but off a limited off season, that's probably harsh re where his fitness is at....
Mundy ditto was burning us in patches....but Fyfe and Walters largely unnoteworthy.
For once, we wanted it more than the other lot - and we got the chocolates.
Not in Q2. Yes, when we went to sleep half way through Q3.
In q2, 3 of their 4 goals were from turnovers - largely bad disposal by our lot.
All that aside, all square at 3-4 time. Anyone's game.
We wanted it more.
2.5 to 0.2 says it all.
Nah second quarter they got busy about 10 mins in and we started panicking.
Mundy the big difference maker.
You think we changed plans, the fact is we had to because we weren't getting the footy and freo were killing us in the clearances (with some cheap frees from the umpires giving them some free goals).
Dow played OK last night, but I think he was actually better the week before.
Dow had 6 clearances and 11 touches...... in the first quarter last night.
No way he was going to keep that pace up for the whole game, but that was his best effort.
Last week it was more consistent, but did not dominate like he did in q1 last night.
Nah second quarter they got busy about 10 mins in and we started panicking.
Mundy the big difference maker.
You think we changed plans, the fact is we had to because we weren't getting the footy and freo were killing us in the clearances (with some cheap frees from the umpires giving them some free goals).
Not saying it was a coaching directive, agreed the players starting panicking....
Dow had 6 clearances and 11 touches...... in the first quarter last night.
No way he was going to keep that pace up for the whole game, but that was his best effort.
Last week it was more consistent, but did not dominate like he did in q1 last night.
Best quarter of footy I've seen from any player in a long time.....
All the hoo-har about Serong, Cerra, Brayshaw etc.
The Wow turned up. now to turn 1 quarter into 3 or 4 and he'll be juddy v2! (no pressure)
Best quarter of footy I've seen from any player in a long time.....
All the hoo-har about Serong, Cerra, Brayshaw etc.
The Wow turned up. now to turn 1 quarter into 3 or 4 and he'll be juddy v2! (no pressure)
Yeah, after last nights effort i've gone off Cerra.
Not worth the ransom they'll demand.
Thought Kennedy was one of the main reasons we held sway in Q4.
Top 3 for mine.
Kennedy had 17 touches in the 2nd half. 11 in the last quarter. Surprised how well he ran out the game.
Thought Dow played his best game, forget about how many possies.. It was his ball use and decision making, no errors and his foot pass to Jack on a tight lead in traffic was excellent. Got tagged after that opening quarter and only had another 11 possies but didn't make an errors either.
I thought Brayshaw was good for Freo and better than Cerra whose kicking isnt perfect imo. Not paying 750k for what I witnessed last night... Prefer Brayshaw who is a neat composed player.
I could only get to see the 2H but was very pleased with how we went overall. Walsh = genius, rapt with the improvement shown by Dow and Kennedy. Could it be that these 2 guys will finally pay off the investment? :D
PS Loved Jack's game - worked his butt off.
Dow had 6 clearances and 11 touches...... in the first quarter last night.
No way he was going to keep that pace up for the whole game, but that was his best effort.
Last week it was more consistent, but did not dominate like he did in q1 last night.
I understand that perspective, but a lot of the peak 1st Qtr highlight is down to chance in the moment, a bounce going the right way, an opponent turning left instead of right.
For me last week's consistency of effort is not about chance, which is why I rate it higher. Last week I thought Dow delivered a 4-Qtr effort and sacrifice, even when he didn't win the ball he was shepherding and sacrificing for players around him, tackling, it's doing the 4-Qtr effort stuff which generates the opportunities to let you dominate when the bounce starts to favour you. When you are hard to play against for 4-Qtrs, your opponents aren't so fresh and eager as to easily stop your momentum when you get it. So last night, for me Dow's major highlight was probably his last quarter, when he dealt himself back into the game after losing momentum! Same for Walsh and Kennedy. It has not been a trait of our club for a long time, we were a one effort team.
I understand that perspective, but a lot of the peak 1st Qtr highlight is down to chance in the moment, a bounce going the right way.
For me last week's consistency of effort is not about chance, which is why I rate it higher. Last week had 4-Qtr effort and sacrifice, it's doing the 4-Qtr effort which generates the opportunities that let you dominate when the bounce starts to favour you.
So he is the luckiest player on the ground? Gimme a spell.
He dominated.
He showed solid efforts later on too.
This is the same thing he showed in the pre-season games before it disappeared.
You think last week was better....i disagree.
So he is the luckiest player on the ground? Gimme a spell.
No as usual you've taken to asserting an unrealistic non-existent extremist view to try and win an argument that doesn't really exist, it's pointless recidivist behaviour you exhibit here week after week.
You are free to disagree, we are free to disagree, but you shouldn't resort to subterfuge to try and discredit the opinions of other forum members.
At least our best qtrs were bookends!
Glass half full:
Played with vigour, intensity, passion... and some of the tackling by us was ruthless.
Kennedy brings much needed hardness, work ethic and extroversion.
Speaking of work ethic - SOJ. He would be a real headache for opposition sides.
Whatever Crippa said to the lads at 3/4 time... bravo, they changed momentum which is a strong positive step. Hope they learn from just how they changed the tide, then do it sooner!
Paddy showed what he is capable of, again. With continued faith from the club, confidence, games under the belt he will become a key part of our midfield group.
To a man the backline stood firm with some pretty special efforts from each of them when called on.
Glass half empty:
Give 52 inside 50s/more scoring shots to the better sides and we get pummeled.
When the D1ckers beefed up there midfield in the 2nd we folded and were way too slow to respond.
Meat was a liability for 3 qtrs. Instrumental in the win with his last qtr effort.
The Pussycats will do their homework on us and make changes during the game which will test our ability to not only maintain passion/work rate but also make necessary in-game changes as well.
The TT has to do something about his hair style. Too much like Shemp Howard with that part down the middle!
Yeah, after last nights effort i've gone off Cerra.
Not worth the ransom they'll demand.
Same, missed a sitter and was less than impressive. If he came cheap no worries, but I wouldn't sell the farm to get him. Wouldn't even trade SPS for him and you you know what I think of him. Brayshaw on he other hand!
Best quarter of footy I've seen from any player in a long time.....
All the hoo-har about Serong, Cerra, Brayshaw etc.
The Wow turned up. now to turn 1 quarter into 3 or 4 and he'll be juddy v2! (no pressure)
He cracked in, burst from packs, burst from under packs, kicked a goal, set up many, you can see the confidence building. Once he gets the consistency, he and Walshy will be unstoppable.
Dow had 6 clearances and 11 touches...... in the first quarter last night.
No way he was going to keep that pace up for the whole game, but that was his best effort.
Last week it was more consistent, but did not dominate like he did in q1 last night.
13 contested, 7 score involvements, 8 clearances, 4 inside 50's. His inside work was very good.
He did fade in the 2nd half. Needs to works on his endurance. Missed pre-season with his knee won't have helped.
I could only get to see the 2H but was very pleased with how we went overall. Walsh = genius, rapt with the improvement shown by Dow and Kennedy. Could it be that these 2 guys will finally pay off the investment? :D
PS Loved Jack's game - worked his butt off.
Instead only gets criticised for his surname, busted an absolute boiler last night. Brings others into the game and runs all day. Kicked a couple last night which was handy, commentators said he was practicing set shots for about an hour before the game.
So he is the luckiest player on the ground? Gimme a spell.
He dominated.
He showed solid efforts later on too.
This is the same thing he showed in the pre-season games before it disappeared.
You think last week was better....i disagree.
me too
Considering we had a third of our playing list unavailable, last night was a pretty good effort. Freo has been playing well and they had all their good players in. The first quarter and a half we were on top, the next quarter and a half, they were on top and at three quarter time it was all equal. In the last quarter we just wanted it more. Winners win. There seems to be light at the end of the tunnel which isn't an on coming train.
Dow, Kennedy, SPS, Walsh and Stocker all did well. My one knock on Walsh has been that though he gets the ball a lot, and though he is pretty good user of the ball, I felt he hasn't really impacted on the games he is in or changed the direction of the game. I always believed he eventually would. Last night he created the opportunity, took the the opportunity and sealed the game. I believe we will see more of this.
I always worry when Newman, Plowman and Jones have the ball in defence as they will always stuff it up at least once and cost us a goal. Three of Freo's goal came directly form their stuff ups and they got one from a dodgy free kick. Considering they only four other goals for the night, and two of those were rippers, I thought our defence was pretty good.
We have changed our approach going into the forward line from the 'Kick it to Kernahan' (McKay) plan to actually separating out in the forward line and picking the best target. It seems to be working. Who would have thought.
I thought Silvagni was very good, DeKonning competed, Harry took his opportunities and Casboult stood up when counted. I also thought that with Cripps being unable to kick and therefore having to hand pass meant he was far more creative and brought more team mates into the game. It also meant that there were more players around him when he had the ball so he wasn't caught as much. I am also glad we have Saad.
A good win, we just need another six or seven for the year.
The lad tackles hard, you know if he tackles you, you'll feel it.
He finds the pill and space well.
And generally uses the ball well. Very good overhead too.
And he's not as 'slow' as many think....
If he can get 20-25 touches a week, that fills a void.
Kennedy:
The lad tackles hard, you know if he tackles you, you'll feel it. - Very true
He finds the pill and space well. - Finding space is something he does very well and it certainly fits into a desire to retain possession because he is strong enough and tough enough to mark less than ideal passes.
And generally uses the ball well. Very good overhead too. - Very true
And he's not as 'slow' as many think.... - Here I disagree - he is either very slow or lacks the desire to chase - I think he is very slow - - often becomes more competitive in the second half when opponents get slower
If he can get 20-25 touches a week, that fills a void. - Very true - IMO the main problem is that he has not been able to provide the midfield clearance role for which he was recruited because when he wins the ball he commonly gets caught with it.
At least our best qtrs were bookends!
Glass half full:
Played with vigour, intensity, passion... and some of the tackling by us was ruthless.
Kennedy brings much needed hardness, work ethic and extroversion.
Speaking of work ethic - SOJ. He would be a real headache for opposition sides.
Whatever Crippa said to the lads at 3/4 time... bravo, they changed momentum which is a strong positive step. Hope they learn from just how they changed the tide, then do it sooner!
Paddy showed what he is capable of, again. With continued faith from the club, confidence, games under the belt he will become a key part of our midfield group.
To a man the backline stood firm with some pretty special efforts from each of them when called on.
Glass half empty:
Give 52 inside 50s/more scoring shots to the better sides and we get pummeled.
When the D1ckers beefed up there midfield in the 2nd we folded and were way too slow to respond.
Meat was a liability for 3 qtrs. Instrumental in the win with his last qtr effort.
The Pussycats will do their homework on us and make changes during the game which will test our ability to not only maintain passion/work rate but also make necessary in-game changes as well.
The TT has to do something about his hair style. Too much like Shemp Howard with that part down the middle!
That's about the best post game summary I've ever read
@Baggers Too funny with the Shemp reference as well. I'm twice David's age and got way more hair than he does.
Kennedy:
The lad tackles hard, you know if he tackles you, you'll feel it. - Very true
He finds the pill and space well. - Finding space is something he does very well and it certainly fits into a desire to retain possession because he is strong enough and tough enough to mark less than ideal passes.
And generally uses the ball well. Very good overhead too. - Very true
And he's not as 'slow' as many think.... - Here I disagree - he is either very slow or lacks the desire to chase - I think he is very slow - - often becomes more competitive in the second half when opponents get slower
I'm not saying he's quick, but not certainly slow.
If he can get 20-25 touches a week, that fills a void. - Very true - IMO the main problem is that he has not been able to provide the midfield clearance role for which he was recruited because when he wins the ball he commonly historically has tended to get caught with it.
Yeah, after last nights effort i've gone off Cerra.
Not worth the ransom they'll demand.
His body of work is nothing to sneeze at. A straight trade for SPS, it's an easy decision.
Money though is a worry. Maybe he just wants to come home. And maybe we have higher priorities. And if you don't ask, you don't get
His body of work is nothing to sneeze at. A straight trade for SPS, it's an easy decision.
Money though is a worry. Maybe he just wants to come home. And maybe we have higher priorities. And if you don't ask, you don't get
Gets the footy and is a good prospect but his kicking needs work.
For big money you want the finished product, I was more impressed with Brayshaw...
Just wait for our development guys to get to work on his kicking ...
No as usual you've taken to asserting an unrealistic non-existent extremist view to try and win an argument that doesn't really exist, it's pointless recidivist behaviour you exhibit here week after week.
You are free to disagree, we are free to disagree, but you shouldn't resort to subterfuge to try and discredit the opinions of other forum members.
Well said!
Is it my imagination or has Dow, Kennedy and to a lesser extent SPS started to play better and with more freedom and confidence since Barker “resigned”
Playing in right positions and roles has helped but just maybe just a coincidence
Just wait for our development guys to get to work on his kicking ...
Seems we are alot better when blokes play in their best position. We are defending much better too.
Still had that little lapse, this time the 2nd half of the 3rd qtr after we got 23pts in front. Fortunately it was a 3.5 run, not 5 goals plus. Other than that we played a good, strong game. Great the way we -regrouped again in the last qtr when challenged.
Is it my imagination or has Dow, Kennedy and to a lesser extent SPS started to play better and with more freedom and confidence since Barker “resigned”
Playing in right positions and roles has helped but just maybe just a coincidence
Possibly.
But it’s not always so clear cut…
I’ve heard that the “jumperlady” changed from OMO to FAB.
Not many understand that FAB uses not only more surfactants but has a higher level of residual fabric softener which allows higher flexibility of the microfibres of today’s guernseys.
The fact that they smell nice also gives the players greater confidence…
Is it my imagination or has Dow, Kennedy and to a lesser extent SPS started to play better and with more freedom and confidence since Barker “resigned”
Playing in right positions and roles has helped but just maybe just a coincidence
I think being in the team would be the biggest factor.
On a very cold night, all players wore sleeveless jumpers. Normally Plowman, SPS and Silvagni minimum would have sleeves. A review recommendation or coach directive???
On a very cold night, all players wore sleeveless jumpers. Normally Plowman, SPS and Silvagni minimum would have sleeves. A review recommendation or coach directive???
I reckon it could simply be a lack of a white long sleeve jumper available ;)
Considering we had a third of our playing list unavailable, last night was a pretty good effort. Freo has been playing well and they had all their good players in. The first quarter and a half we were on top, the next quarter and a half, they were on top and at three quarter time it was all equal. In the last quarter we just wanted it more. Winners win. There seems to be light at the end of the tunnel which isn't an on coming train.
Dow, Kennedy, SPS, Walsh and Stocker all did well. My one knock on Walsh has been that though he gets the ball a lot, and though he is pretty good user of the ball, I felt he hasn't really impacted on the games he is in or changed the direction of the game. I always believed he eventually would. Last night he created the opportunity, took the the opportunity and sealed the game. I believe we will see more of this.
I always worry when Newman, Plowman and Jones have the ball in defence as they will always stuff it up at least once and cost us a goal. Three of Freo's goal came directly form their stuff ups and they got one from a dodgy free kick. Considering they only four other goals for the night, and two of those were rippers, I thought our defence was pretty good.
We have changed our approach going into the forward line from the 'Kick it to Kernahan' (McKay) plan to actually separating out in the forward line and picking the best target. It seems to be working. Who would have thought.
I thought Silvagni was very good, DeKonning competed, Harry took his opportunities and Casboult stood up when counted. I also thought that with Cripps being unable to kick and therefore having to hand pass meant he was far more creative and brought more team mates into the game. It also meant that there were more players around him when he had the ball so he wasn't caught as much. I am also glad we have Saad.
A good win, we just need another six or seven for the year.
I though Big H was ordinary, even poor.
But if he can chip in with three and play like that, all good.
The Betts- Owies combo is going from strength to strength.
Other teams have learnt they need to show Owies respect, otherwise he will kick a few....
Not sure where Fisher fits in when's he's right? Maybe for Fogarty?
I think being in the team would be the biggest factor.
Yes, that's a good start!
His body of work is nothing to sneeze at. A straight trade for SPS, it's an easy decision.
Money though is a worry. Maybe he just wants to come home. And maybe we have higher priorities. And if you don't ask, you don't get
I wouldn't do that trade, unless SPS says he wants to go.....
And Cerra's $$$ are modest.
ps Eddie Betts averaging 1.7 goals a game.
Combine his GA - goal assists, he's up there with any small forward.
He plays on in 2022.
ps Eddie Betts averaging 1.7 goals a game.
Combine his GA's assists, he's up there with any small forward.
He plays on in 2022.
Was thinking the same thing. Has been pretty good and i wouldn't drop him coz we don't have anyone better yet.
Before last night's game I believed that our lapses in concentration were caused by so much effort being used for very poor results on the scoreboard and physical fatigue setting in.
But last night was different. For once we kicked accurately and Freo didn't. We still looked fresh going into the halftime break but when the third quarter started it looked as though the players had spent the break smoking weed. Our mid field disappeared and too many players became spectators. In the main it was our backline and Freo's bad kicking that had us in front at three quarter time.
What worries me when we have these lapses is that we do dumb things without being under pressure. The turnovers by foot quickly appear and lack of confidence just lowers our ability to put pressure back on the opposition.
Clearly mental attitude is a factor but I don't know how to improve it.
I'm so pleased with the win but...
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I'm so pleased with the win but...
Yes, I tend to agree. A win is a win, but the reality of where we're at IMO is that they will be scratchy wins for a little while, with lots of ticker shown by the boys and some luck. Freo had more scoring shots and more I50's, and the game should have been a lot closer than it was through the 3rd and into the 4th. I was pleased that we won both the tackle count (we almost always lose this), and also the disposals and uncontested possessions. Those three combined are usually the signs of high work rate and good team cohesion, so well done there.
Winning ugly is a sign of an improving team.
Previously we could only win when everything went our way.
Now we have more injuries than any team....are under an external review....been bashed by the media....
Yet we have won our last 2 against opponents we should be beating despite all of the negatives above.
We might not have quite turned the corner yet, but we can touch it.
On a very cold night, all players wore sleeveless jumpers. Normally Plowman, SPS and Silvagni minimum would have sleeves. A review recommendation or coach directive???
Just getting em ready for Clarko who has a "no long sleeve jumper" policy :D
ps Eddie Betts averaging 1.7 goals a game.
Combine his GA - goal assists, he's up there with any small forward.
He plays on in 2022.
and he's an on field fwd line coach.
ps Eddie Betts averaging 1.7 goals a game.
Combine his GA - goal assists, he's up there with any small forward.
He plays on in 2022.
He's kicked 20 in his his last 9 games. At nearly 35yo that is great going.
Winning ugly is a sign of an improving team.
Previously we could only win when everything went our way.
Now we have more injuries than any team....are under an external review....been bashed by the media....
Yet we have won our last 2 against opponents we should be beating despite all of the negatives above.
We might not have quite turned the corner yet, but we can touch it.
Although, in Freo's case, a win would have put them in the 8. Not quite a top side but a good one still. Next week we'll soon know more about that corner. Win somehow and we are into this up to our necks. Be 7 wins from 16, better than last year's 7 from 17.
Before last night's game I believed that our lapses in concentration were caused by so much effort being used for very poor results on the scoreboard and physical fatigue setting in.
But last night was different. For once we kicked accurately and Freo didn't. We still looked fresh going into the halftime break but when the third quarter started it looked as though the players had spent the break smoking weed. Our mid field disappeared and too many players became spectators. In the main it was our backline and Freo's bad kicking that had us in front at three quarter time.
What worries me when we have these lapses is that we do dumb things without being under pressure. The turnovers by foot quickly appear and lack of confidence just lowers our ability to put pressure back on the opposition.
Clearly mental attitude is a factor but I don't know how to improve it.
I'm so pleased with the win but...
Freo's kicking for goal has been as bad as ours, really their forward line is a shambles and they were missing Taberner
who is their best option and has done ok on Weitering. Treacy is a newbie kid and Lobb is a disappointing player given his talent.
Walters is also off the boil and I though Stocker stitched him up nicely, not sure how Freo ever got into a position to be challenging for the eight this week because they are a very ordinary team IMO with a very ordinary coach.
Freo's kicking for goal has been as bad as ours, really their forward line is a shambles and they were missing Taberner
who is their best option and has done ok on Weitering. Treacy is a newbie kid and Lobb is a disappointing player given his talent.
Walters is also off the boil and I though Stocker stitched him up nicely, not sure how Freo ever got into a position to be challenging for the eight this week because they are a very ordinary team IMO with a very ordinary coach.
Agreed, gave Stocker a vote, regardless of Walters' form it's a scalp Stocker deserves credit for.
re: Eddie, been going ok but looking forward we need him to be nurturing an apprentice like he did at the Crows with Cameron.
Owies is a different type of player as is Fisher IMO and I'd like to see Eddie with a permanent apprentice like Durdin in the team who he can train up and fast track in the art of reading the play and creating for others...its the latter bit that makes Eddie so good IMO.The little tap ons, kicks around the corner when under pressure that find a man and knowing when to zig and not zag when you have a stoppage. A lot of it is natural talent like Cameron has anyway but Durdin has the raw tools with pace and nice kicking ability but just needs Eddie to teach him some smarts before Eddie gives it away.
He's kicked 20 in his his last 9 games. At nearly 35yo that is great going.
At any age, that is very good going.
At 35, extraordinary - but that is the incomparable Mr Betts.
re: Eddie, been going ok but looking forward we need him to be nurturing an apprentice like he did at the Crows with Cameron.
Owies is a different type of player as is Fisher IMO and I'd like to see Eddie with a permanent apprentice like Durdin in the team who he can train up and fast track in the art of reading the play and creating for others...its the latter bit that makes Eddie so good IMO.The little tap ons, kicks around the corner when under pressure that find a man and knowing when to zig and not zag when you have a stoppage. A lot of it is natural talent like Cameron has anyway but Durdin has the raw tools with pace and nice kicking ability but just needs Eddie to teach him some smarts before Eddie gives it away.
Durdin can't kick a goal in the 2s presently.
Owies did a lengthy apprenticeship, so should any other aspiring type?
Finest small forward since I don't know when.
re: Eddie, been going ok but looking forward we need him to be nurturing an apprentice like he did at the Crows with Cameron.
Owies is a different type of player as is Fisher IMO and I'd like to see Eddie with a permanent apprentice like Durdin in the team who he can train up and fast track in the art of reading the play and creating for others...its the latter bit that makes Eddie so good IMO.The little tap ons, kicks around the corner when under pressure that find a man and knowing when to zig and not zag when you have a stoppage. A lot of it is natural talent like Cameron has anyway but Durdin has the raw tools with pace and nice kicking ability but just needs Eddie to teach him some smarts before Eddie gives it away.
Fisher is the one.
He uses the tap on very well.
He has the baulking ability, the agility and the creativity.
Will he ever get to be as good as Eddie Betts? No.....but nobody really has in 125 years, so i'm not expecting him too.
He's kicked 20 in his his last 9 games. At nearly 35yo that is great going.
Get young Eddie new contact lenses and he'd have 2 MOTY nominations. He's flying at the Blues, and pumps up those around him.
Get young Eddie new contact lenses and he'd have 2 MOTY nominations. He's flying at the Blues, and pumps up those around him.
I think he needs an oxygen mask. He's losing consciousness he is up so high.
Just worked out that we kept Freo goaless in 2 qtrs.
Yes, i'm a bit slow...lol.
I was quite pleased with Willo's performance; a solid defensive effort with no brainfades and pretty good disposal.
Plowman's presence seems to help our defensive cohesion and Willo had a similar impact. If he can continue to play as he did on Saturday, Willo may be around for a while to come.
Our defence was so much better with more of a focus on an opponent and less on defending space. If it wasn't for some shocking turnovers and equally shocking free kicks, Jones getting lost in space and Owies ending up in a marking contest with Lobb, Freo would have been lucky to kick five goals.
I was quite pleased with Willo's performance; a solid defensive effort with no brainfades and pretty good disposal.
Plowman's presence seems to help our defensive cohesion and Willo had a similar impact. If he can continue to play as he did on Saturday, Willo may be around for a while to come.
Our defence was so much better with more of a focus on an opponent and less on defending space. If it wasn't for some shocking turnovers and equally shocking free kicks, Jones getting lost in space and Owies ending up in a marking contest with Lobb, Freo would have been lucky to kick five goals.
Best defensive game for a while, I'd be loathe to change that lineup and wouldnt be making Williams an automatic straight back in down back..
Best defensive game for a while, I'd be loathe to change that lineup and wouldnt be making Williams an automatic straight back in down back..
Who would you drop for Williams, assuming Cripps is OK?
I reckon Cottrell is the only one who didn't have an impact, so Williams for medical sub?
Who would you drop for Williams, assuming Cripps is OK?
I reckon Cottrell is the only one who didn't have an impact, so Williams for medical sub?
Bit hard to have an impact if you never get on the ground.
Williams, no question
Who would you drop for Williams, assuming Cripps is OK?
I reckon Cottrell is the only one who didn't have an impact, so Williams for medical sub?
Yep... Some will suggest Newnes but he was steady, tackled well and deserves to stay in IMHO vs the Cats who have some big bodies that need mature opposition.
Williams as sub isn't a bad idea but I think Cripps might struggle to get up this week and Williams would probably get picked to replace him.
Doing the ladder predictor, giving us the winnable games, hence losses against Geelong and Port, I have us 7th. Last game between Carlton v GWS decides who gets in of the two.
Bad news is that it relies on me getting 9 winners every week, which hasn't happened for a few years. Also relies on us maintaining a decent attitude to football for the rest of the year, a huge ask in our case. Steal a game against Geelong or Port then it puts us in a good position as i'm sure we'll manage to lose one of the more winnable ones.
Williams comes straight back in. He was very good when moved to half back. Think Cripps is in doubt.
Doing the ladder predictor, giving us the winnable games, hence losses against Geelong and Port, I have us 7th. Last game between Carlton v GWS decides who gets in of the two.
Bad news is that it relies on me getting 9 winners every week, which hasn't happened for a few years. Also relies on us maintaining a decent attitude to football for the rest of the year, a huge ask in our case. Steal a game against Geelong or Port then it puts us in a good position as i'm sure we'll manage to lose one of the more winnable ones.
Percentage, if nothing else, will kill us. But keep the faith brother
Here we go again……
‘ CARLTON defender Liam Stocker and forward Levi Casboult have both been charged by the Match Review Officer.’
Here we go again……
‘ CARLTON defender Liam Stocker and forward Levi Casboult have both been charged by the Match Review Officer.’
Fines
re: Eddie, been going ok but looking forward we need him to be nurturing an apprentice like he did at the Crows with Cameron.
Owies is a different type of player as is Fisher IMO and I'd like to see Eddie with a permanent apprentice like Durdin in the team who he can train up and fast track in the art of reading the play and creating for others...its the latter bit that makes Eddie so good IMO.The little tap ons, kicks around the corner when under pressure that find a man and knowing when to zig and not zag when you have a stoppage. A lot of it is natural talent like Cameron has anyway but Durdin has the raw tools with pace and nice kicking ability but just needs Eddie to teach him some smarts before Eddie gives it away.
Eddie is all flair and party tricks, Owies is a solid contributor who is dependable. Not flashy, wont kick a bags of goal but will kick truly more often than not when he gets an opportunity. He can learn plenty from Eddie, as can Fish and Fog (although I think Fog could be a decent mid).
Fisher is the one.
He uses the tap on very well.
He has the baulking ability, the agility and the creativity.
Will he ever get to be as good as Eddie Betts? No.....but nobody really has in 125 years, so i'm not expecting him too.
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
Where does he want to play??
Not many other options for him.
Bit hard to have an impact if you never get on the ground.
True, but Cottrell is still the only player who didn't have an impact. None of the 22 deserve to lose their place but you can't mount an argument that Cottrell should keep his on how well he warmed the pine.
Where does he want to play??
Not many other options for him.
Midfield I would think.
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
He may not be happy, but he has a long way to go before he has first dibs on a small forward role and even longer before he would be in contention for a midfield role ::)
He may not be happy, but he has a long way to go before he has first dibs on a small forward role and even longer before he would be in contention for a midfield role ::)
Yes, something to do with beggars and choosers I would think.
Still think he's a good player and wants to be more "involved" in the game. That's a distinct positive, but you first have to earn your stripes.
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
I wouldn't be at all surprised and wouldn't blame him for a second. He was recruited as a midfielder and IMHO is suited to that role. Trying to make him into a small forward is just another example of us playing blokes out of position.
Small forwards are a unique bunch. They signal their skill pretty early in their career and they love hanging around packs and creating something out of nothing. Once they've majored their craft you'll see them venture up the ground from time to time. Toby G, Milne, Edwardo... a few good examples.
But taking a natural midfielder and trying to mould him into a small forward just because he's small, is silly and counter-productive. Zachery is the kind of mid who creates something out of nothing around and in the roaming midfield pack. Plenty of very good mids have been runts. If The TT is serious about 'playing blokes to their strengths' then Zachery lines up around the midfield and is given license to drift forward - and back.
Baggers nailed it... Small forwards are specialists, when you try and manufacture players for positions it usually backfires. The good ones are also strong in the air and can take a really good mark vs bigger players.
Fisher isn't great overhead like Eddie, Cameron, Ryan, Papley etc.. Doesn't mean he won't contribute but it's like buying a Suzuki Jimny as an off roader when you really need a Land cruiser..
He may then need to go elsewhere to find a midfield role, depending on how others continue to develop.
He may then need to go elsewhere to find a midfield role, depending on how others continue to develop.
And maybe that's the harsh reality, Fluffy One. I'd like to see him have a fair-dinkum crack at being a mid but we've a few very promising mids on our development radar who are bigger bodied. What Zachery offers to the midfield, though, is creativity and unpredictable/clever moves. Many blokes move through the midfield these days... perhaps Zachery is a wingman with license to get into the action? But he aint a small forward... and I don't think Owies is either.
At the moment Owies is not getting the no.1 small forward defender. Edwardo is... We have to be aggressive in the trade period and get a bona fide small forward. I wonder if Owies might actually be a better defender on small forwards (which would free up Stocker to get into the midfield)? Owies does read the game well, and has a dash of mongrel.
You cannot manufacture a small forward - they're a unique, instinctual breed.
Needs to get on the park first. Fish spends more time injured than playing these days.
Needs to get on the park first. Fish spends more time injured than playing these days.
He aint Robinson Crusoe in that regard!
@ Baggers
Yes, maybe a wing role would suit him.
@ Baggers
Yes, maybe a wing role would suit him.
The problem is that Fisher hasn’t had much impact when he has played on the wing. As EB mentioned, he’s not a strong mark and that’s an attribute midfielders/wingers need. Cottrell may lack Fisher’s finesse but he’s a strong mark and works harder defensively. Newnes, Docherty, Martin, Kennedy, Dow, Walsh, Williams, Williamson, et al are ahead of Fisher in terms of midfield/wing attributes.
I think that playing him as a small forward and occasional midfielder is the best use of his skill set.
Here we go again……
‘ CARLTON defender Liam Stocker and forward Levi Casboult have both been charged by the Match Review Officer.’
Got 2k and 3km fines respectively.
Is it just me but I reckon we may hear today that Cripps will miss the remainder of the season with a fracture or same issue as Docs requiring surgery.
His so tough him playing the game out means little.
Hope I’m wrong and there is no structural damage and maybe just a bad sprain. 😑
Dangerfield and Selwood will be a tough duo for our young mids without Cripps. Walsh will cop all the attention if Cripps is out.
I'll reiterate what I've said many times.....Pittonet hugely under-rated. Plenty on here have been quick to bag him and say he's just a backup....but that's exactly what he was brought in to do. But has been pretty much number 1 ruckman since round 2 last year. Very important when you consider TDK has barely played 20 odd games and still needs more time to develop. It's not Pittonet's fault that planning a bit longer term for ruckmen hasn't been something we've considered.
Similary, Jack Silvagni's game can't be underestimated either. Next to Walsh, I'd say there's none who works as hard both ways.
Agree with other comments on some of the lesser/younger blokes starting to find some confidence and belief.
Taking the glass half full approach.....it is enticing to think "what might be" if we can get the following blokes fit and healthy and back in the side in form:
Curnow
Williams
Docherty
Pittonet
Fisher
Cunningham
@ Baggers
Yes, maybe a wing role would suit him.
Dunno cookie, his biggest strength is his dancing feet and side step/evasive skills. I cant see how he can use that to advantage on a wing. Its either in the guts or in the fwd line (rotating).
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
You've said this multiple times....and i've responded a few times.
This was covered in the Marking Their Mark documentary.
Fisher was being asked for a while about becoming a small forward, and wasn't into it.
Then he had time off and called the coach and said, he's ready to be the small forward they wanted and wants to be the best small forward he can be. Has been working closely with Betts to do that.
So he was NOT happy....18 months ago.
Maybe, 12 months ago, he WAS happy.
Now if somerthing has changed in the past 6 months or so....fair enough. Otherwise, its old news.
You've said this multiple times....and i've responded a few times.
This was covered in the Marking Their Mark documentary.
Fisher was being asked for a while about becoming a small forward, and wasn't into it.
Then he had time off and called the coach and said, he's ready to be the small forward they wanted and wants to be the best small forward he can be. Has been working closely with Betts to do that.
So he was NOT happy....18 months ago.
Maybe, 12 months ago, he WAS happy.
Now if somerthing has changed in the past 6 months or so....fair enough. Otherwise, its old news.
We have an excellent PR dept.
We have an excellent PR dept.
This had nothing to do with our PR department. This was from the AFL organised doco.
Just watched some of the replay again. I absolutely loved the audacity in Paddy Dow's game. He laid tackles with fair dinkum grunt, looked his oppo in the eye while he disappeared in the distance, and stole the ball out of their hands with total disrespect. He's developing a real edge and I like it a lot. Dare I say, there's a hint of Judd about him. He played very well with Kennedy. Their time together in 2's was on show.
Great stuff Paddy, take a bow👏
Just watched some of the replay again. I absolutely loved the audacity in Paddy Dow's game. He laid tackles with fair dinkum grunt, looked his oppo in the eye while he disappeared in the distance, and stole the ball out of their hands with total disrespect. He's developing a real edge and I like it a lot. Dare I say, there's a hint of Judd about him. He played very well with Kennedy. Their time together in 2's was on show.
Great stuff Paddy, take a bow👏
I made some comment about his game in the pre-season where i was giving him a wrap and said he broke away from a pack like Judd.
He does a few Judd-like things.
Not quite the size, speed, endurance of Judd, but certainly has a few of Juddys tricks which are more than handy.
Thats why the boys called him Paddy WOW in his first pre-season.
Now his confidence is starting to match his potential and we are seeing results.
Starting 4 of Cripps, Walsh, Dow and TDK looks to hold us in good stead for 2022.
I made some comment about his game in the pre-season where i was giving him a wrap and said he broke away from a pack like Judd.
He does a few Judd-like things.
Not quite the size, speed, endurance of Judd, but certainly has a few of Juddys tricks which are more than handy.
Thats why the boys called him Paddy WOW in his first pre-season.
Now his confidence is starting to match his potential and we are seeing results.
Starting 4 of Cripps, Walsh, Dow and TDK looks to hold us in good stead for 2022.
Pretty much the same height as Juddy.
Judd added a few kg & muscle bulk as he matured....Dow will too.
As has been said many a time, when you're taken at #3, the expectations are high and patience is thin.
Good luck to the lad, looks a very likeable type.
Coaches' votes, R16 :