The 2nds play Brisbane in Brisbane this weekend.
We had a couple of injuries, any ideas on the team?
Team published today.
Backs: Tyreece Leiu Sam Durdin Liam Stocker
Half-backs: Heath Ramshaw Stefan Radovanovic Alex Cincotta
Centreline: Tom North Will Setterfield Matt Shannon
Half-forwards: Will Hayes Jesse Glass-McCasker Ned Cahill
Forwards: Brodie Kemp Ben Crocker Jesse Motlop
Followers: Alex Mirkov Paddy Dow Jack Carroll
Interchange: Dom Akuei Joel Trudgeon Michael Lewis Mitch Moschetti Archie Stevens
Josh Cripps was dropped, but will probably make the trip. He played his most effective game as a ruckman last week. Still, happy to see Mirkov back.
Wishing our boys all the best for tomorrow. It's been a while since we've had some finals fun.
We have a ruck this week. Nice.
Maher and Handley out of the team is a big loss. Hope their injuries is not serious if we progress because we will need them.
Josh Cripps was dropped, but will probably make the trip. He played his most effective game as a ruckman last week. Still, happy to see Mirkov back.
Yes, young Cripps played his best game of the season last week but there’s no way that he could keep Mirkov out of the team.
I reckon that we’ve cobbled together a half decent team and it’s to our advantage that Brisbane are still alive in the firsts. Quietly confident 🙂
As for young Josh, last week’s effort may see him played more as a ruck/forward than as key forward. That may be his best chance of playing footy at the highest level.
On tv?
Time?
Luckily for us it sounds like the Lions will put some of their rucks in cotton wool, their VFL side is normally over-loaded with blokes over 205cm x 110kg.
On tv?
Time?
From CFC website
The game kicks off at 12:05pm tomorrow, with the game to be broadcast live on Channel 7.
Terrible conditions. Very wet under foot. BrisVegas favoured by the wind in the first.
A major negative for our club is that we seem to have not adjusted to the conditions very well thus far. Trying to hit targets with precise kicking in blustery conditions. They should be playing surge football.
A major negative for our club is that we seem to have not adjusted to the conditions very well thus far. Trying to hit targets with precise kicking in blustery conditions. They should be playing surge football.
Couldn't agree more. BrisVegas are surging hence their early lead. Gotta get it into our heads to knock forward, kick off the deck and others up-field ready for this kind of approach.
A major negative for our club is that we seem to have not adjusted to the conditions very well thus far. Trying to hit targets with precise kicking in blustery conditions. They should be playing surge football.
Yes and no.
Inch the ball up by hand or by foot achieves the same result.
If you do it by hand, and you miss a target, 1 kick the other way is equivalent to 10 handballs into the wind.
Do it by foot and you have more chance of missing, but less targets required to make the same distance.
I think we've just been unlucky deep forward. Shots on goal are missing everything.
Two bad umpiring decisions in a row gifted BrisVegas their 3rd goal. One of their blokes (in their foward line) took on the tackler and was pinned - ball up, should have been holding the ball. Then almost immediately after it one of their blokes ducks into a tackle and is awarded a free. Amateur hour stuff.
Mirkov needed to compete when they got there second goal and then tap it forward on the ground instead of trying to pick it up.
Watching now. Was watching Ajla Tomljanovic v Serena Williams.
How did the first qtr look? Said we were kicking against the wind. If it going to crappy weather at least it is Qld so it is at least warm.
Quite a "breeze" too, not the zephyr the commentators are making out, they are playing in wet weather and it's still blowing around the players locks.
Probably 3 or 4 goals, about the 1st-Qtr margin.
Don't think the umpires have caused much grief, those sorts of decision go both ways. Interesting watching last night, the Dees and Ducks so professional, both teams trying their best to milk free kicks, yet both defences were too professional hardly ever giving away a free.
Commentators said breeze was 2-3 goals.
I reckon its more of a 5 goal breeze.
Either way, we are (at worst) on a par with where we should be.
Classy goal from Motlop. Margin back to 8pts.
Liking Stocker today with his physicality and defensive efforts
Kemp uses his brain (and a bit of luck) to hit the front.
Have a rest.
Start again after half time.
Liking Stocker today with his physicality and defensive efforts
He certainly didn't appreciate that dog Cockatoo Collins dropping the knee in the back of our bloke.
Entertaining game, considering the conditions. All square at half time.
BrisVegas with the wind in the 3rd, though I don't think the wind is worth more than a goal or two.
Entertaining game, considering the conditions. All square at half time.
BrisVegas with the wind in the 3rd, though I don't think the wind is worth more than a goal or two.
I haven't seen water on the ground splashing around like that in a long time.
19pts behind, we could be in strife if we dont get a wriggle on.
19pts behind, we could be in strife if we dont get a wriggle on.
Looking in big trouble now. Brisbane's intensity has really lifted. We are not matching.
60-28, gonna take a massive effort to win from here.
Commentators just said we have taken 2 marks for the whole qtr.
Oh dear. Take something Herculean to win from here.
Pegged one back before 3/4 time 60-34
Dow and Carroll 27 each
Ben Crocker having a Barry Crocker
Pretty tall order to out score them by 5 in the last. Here's hoping.
Ben Crocker having a Barry Crocker
Yep, been very disappointing by his standards.
Wouldn't mind kicking it through the big ones. We've done everything right about from that.
Any danger we can give this bloke a spot on the list now?
He is a footballer, and a match winner.
You can hold him. but you can't stop him.
Crocker had the last 3 shots on goal, and kicked 2.1
3-8 for the qtr
Bris Goal, all over I think
Another goal, nighty night.
Great last qtr from the boys... straight kicking and...
The large lady has started singing.
Totally forked it by being wasteful in the last.
Another game, another heartbreak.
Such a carlton like performance isn’t it.
Controlled the play in our half of the ground for a good 6-7 mins a when scores were equal and had all the momentum but couldn’tt score. Ball goes down there way and they kick 2 in the last min to ice it.
Like the seniors handling pressure and making the right decisions when it matters is our biggest area we need to improve on.
We could fall into a barrel full of nipples and still stand and walk out sucking our own thumb.
Yep!
Another come from behind and another shortfall.
So frustrating 😤
We could fall into a barrel full of nipples and still stand and walk out sucking our own thumb.
:)) :)) :)) haven't heard that one, Green Stick. A good belly laugh here. And, sadly, so very apt.
I wonder what we'll be focussing on pre season?
Yep!
Another come from behind and another shortfall.
So frustrating 😤
Strangely familiar.
Great fight back though. Takes home ground advantage to another level. Not quite good enough in the end.
We lost but that was a good game to watch. Pity we were so wasteful.
Any danger we can give this bloke a spot on the list now?
He is a footballer, and a match winner.
You can hold him. but you can't stop him.
Crocker had the last 3 shots on goal, and kicked 2.1
He nearly won the game but had zero help down forward.How we expect to win games without a KP player or two down forward is mind boggling.
Clearly a level above his teammates is Crocker and could be that player that ignites a few wins in the seniors if given the chance.
He is battle ready and just needs opportunity...
Feedback on Carroll's game?? The stats would indicate it was a good one....
Feedback on Carroll's game?? The stats would indicate it was a good one....
He was good - could have done a little more in the coal face though. Dow was supreme - hopefully this was a breakout moment for him.
Draw level, kick with a decent wind. How do we not win from there?
Now that it's done and dusted it could be an interesting week as some fates are decided....including the runner's.
Draw level, kick with a decent wind. How do we not win from there?
...and how many times did we say that this year... took the lead, had control... and...
...and how many times did we say that this year... took the lead, had control... and...
The effort comes too late, it's always after the fact.
The problem isn't really the finish, it's the poor use of the wind the first time around, the same applied to the AFL side.
We only chase when we have no choice left but to chase, then when we hit the front we relax and lose!
...and how many times did we say that this year... took the lead, had control... and...
We just professionally choke...lol.
We badly have to work on this.
24 inside 50s for 3.8 in the last qtr.
They had 3 for 2 goals AFTER we drew level and kicking with a big wind.
Getting a bit sick of it. We have to improve on this "typical Carlton" crap.
Haven't seen the game yet; I was at a wedding. To kick 3 goals 8 in the last quarter to lose ... this is too much like the Carlton of 2022. It really does break the heart.
From the stats:
[1] Dow showed how good he could be. 41 possessions and 15 clearances! Can he do it in the seniors? Damned good question.
[2] We struggled all year without a key forward. Crocker did the job, but he isn't 195 cm+. Really amazing, considering the structural issues our team had.
[3] Mirkov really won the rucks. He had 52 taps!
[4] Ned Cahill wants a chance. Can we give it to him? He had 10 tackles as a small forward.
Haven't seen the game yet; I was at a wedding. To kick 3 goals 8 in the last quarter to lose ... this is too much like the Carlton of 2022. It really does break the heart.
From the stats:
[1] Dow showed how good he could be. 41 possessions and 15 clearances! Can he do it in the seniors? Damned good question.
[2] We struggled all year without a key forward. Crocker did the job, but he isn't 195 cm+. Really amazing, considering the structural issues our team had.
[3] Mirkov really won the rucks. He had 52 taps!
[4] Ned Cahill wants a chance. Can we give it to him? He had 10 tackles as a small forward.
Crash the conditions weren't ideal, whilst it wasn't raining, there was a QLD style downpour before the game and it was wet and slippery. There was a 3-5 goal wind blowing to the end we had in the 2nd and 4th. We were 26 odd points down at 3/4 time and reeled them in to level. As Jim said, we had a gagillion inside 50s in the 4th for 3.8, they had 3 and was enough to win. Lots of turnovers but they seemed cleaner with the ball for the majority of the game. This is huge call but if we as a club could kick the regulation goals we get as opportunities and always seem to miss, our 1s and 2s would be premiers.
The ground wasn't VFL standard.
We must resign Stocker he is hard at it ,never shirks a contest, flies the flag when teammates are roughed up and knows how to get his own ball. Kicking needs tidying up but the rest of what he brings is something we don’t have a lot of. Toughness.
We must resign Stocker he is hard at it ,never shirks a contest, flies the flag when teammates are roughed up and knows how to get his own ball. Kicking needs tidying up but the rest of what he brings is something we don’t have a lot of. Toughness.
He's the master of the old fashioned hip n shoulder. Tonka Tough 💪
Stocker is a required player and as the finals have shown it's a contested players game these days and being able to win your own ball, tackle and stand up in tackles is king and we need more of that and a few hombres like Stocker who can mix it when necessary.
Stocker actually relishes the hard contest. You only have to look at his face as he gets into it. Very much a required player imo.
I'd actually like to see Stocker on the half forward line....at the very least he'd be a 'distraction' for the opposition. ;D
Haven't seen the game yet; I was at a wedding. To kick 3 goals 8 in the last quarter to lose ... this is too much like the Carlton of 2022. It really does break the heart.
From the stats:
[1] Dow showed how good he could be. 41 possessions and 15 clearances! Can he do it in the seniors? Damned good question.
[2] We struggled all year without a key forward. Crocker did the job, but he isn't 195 cm+. Really amazing, considering the structural issues our team had.
[3] Mirkov really won the rucks. He had 52 taps!
[4] Ned Cahill wants a chance. Can we give it to him? He had 10 tackles as a small forward.
Big Yes to Cahill - I'm a fan of his but need to let one go I don't like the idea of having four small forwards on the list takes up too much real estate.
Big Yes to Crocker - need more medium/small forwards that can take an overhead mark - lost count how many times our small forwards were outsized.
Big Yes to drafting a young tall forward on the slow cooker.
Big Yes to Cahill - I'm a fan of his but need to let one go I don't like the idea of having four small forwards on the list takes up too much real estate.
Big Yes to Crocker - need more medium/small forwards that can take an overhead mark - lost count how many times our small forwards were outsized.
Big Yes to drafting a young tall forward on the slow cooker.
Cahill is an ok player but I think we need that Elliott, Weightman, Papley, Cameron type who is also a marking threat even vs taller players, ours are all one trick pony crumbers with maybe Owies being a bit different as he also leads up for the ball.
For me Cahill is more of the same as what we have and any players we get from now on in should have a point of difference to their game that we dont already have ie Acres is a tall marking winger which we dont have so for me thats an ok move to get him.
Getting Hayes however was a complete waste of time, you look at Collingwood and they got Johnson who has been a point of difference for them and given them something new but Hayes is just another small winger mid which we have in numbers...
Cahill has already been in the system hasn't he, struggled to develop an AFL level tank?
FWIW, as much as I love to watch Crocker and hate to say it, the same applies.
Believe me, I would like nothing more than AFL to be a footballers game, but it's further from that now than it has ever been and the way it is heading it's never going back!
Cahill has already been in the system hasn't he, struggled to develop an AFL level tank?
FWIW, as much as I love to watch Crocker and hate to say it, the same applies.
Believe me, I would like nothing more than AFL to be a footballers game, but it's further from that now than it has ever been and the way it is heading it's never going back!
Same could be said about Jack Silvagni when you do all the AFL testing.
However, throw a ball in front of him and all that testing goes out the window.
Crocker is a footballer, not an athlete. Sure his numbers might not stack up against some 18yo kid coming through with his repeat sprints and agility levels etc. Put a football out there and see how little those numbers matter.
Was the same with Cripps. I said at the time that after seeing his first 3 minute highlight video that he was a footballer who could play and i wanted him.
Bombers laughed when we got him.
Numbers mean squat when there is a football in front of him.
Draft by vision, effort and performance, not by numbers on a stopwatch.
Same could be said about Jack Silvagni when you do all the AFL testing.
However, throw a ball in front of him and all that testing goes out the window.
So we'll have a team full of them, let's go!
We already struggle just fitting in one or two!
You and I spent a lot of last season discussing the various for or against of various players who chase or won't, either because they refuse or because they simply can't. Let's not ignore that history of debate just to pose an argument for or against some favourite.
Half of the game is chasing, catching and stopping, it's not just about what you can do when you already have the footy, it's also about getting the footy or getting it back.
Everyone wants a mid sized creative player who knows where the goals are and takes a high mark.
Someone like Mitch McGovern maybe? We put him back this season, but he goes well up forward and I'd be interested in see him take the 3rd forward role.
Half of the game is chasing, catching and stopping, it's not just about what you can do when you already have the footy, it's also about getting the footy or getting it back.
Ultimately the game is about kicking it through the big sticks more than the opposition.
If player A kicks a goal for every 5 touches he gets and might miss 1 tackle through lack of chasing.
and
Player B kicks a goal for every 10 possessions he gets and gets an extra tackle through chasing.
Who are we better off having?
Even if that tackle leads to a free kick (keep in mind 'tackles = free kicks' is almost laughable in the modern game) then they still need to translate that into a goal to break even.
So much for the Stocker fans - what do we know?
We must resign Stocker he is hard at it ,never shirks a contest, flies the flag when teammates are roughed up and knows how to get his own ball. Kicking needs tidying up but the rest of what he brings is something we don’t have a lot of. Toughness.
Tommy, If they are hard at , dont shirk contests and fly the flag then they dont usually last long at the modern Carlton.....we quickly weed them out and get rid of them before they have time to infect the other players.
We prefer the softer gentle Von Trapp types...there was this bloke called Mitch Robinson, terrible individual...wouldnt shirk contests, always flew the flag, dragged the whole team down with his tough attack on the ball and constant habit of tackling opposition hard so he had to go. Liams best hope is to play VFL for the Bulldogs and hope for redemption......
Tommy, If they are hard at , dont shirk contests and fly the flag then they dont usually last long at the modern Carlton.....we quickly weed them out and get rid of them before they have time to infect the other players.
We prefer the softer gentle Von Trapp types...there was this bloke called Mitch Robinson, terrible individual...wouldnt shirk contests, always flew the flag, dragged the whole team down with his tough attack on the ball and constant habit of tackling opposition hard so he had to go. Liams best hope is to play VFL for the Bulldogs and hope for redemption......
Not sure Stocker will play anywhere at the top level again.
But I always get a little smile when you refer to the Von Trapp mindset, I see it as a play safe work safe attitude, like our club seems to conduct itself in the war of AFL as if it was commanded by officers qualified in OH&S. Tread lightly, hurt no-one, be at peace, live in harmony!
Tommy, If they are hard at , dont shirk contests and fly the flag then they dont usually last long at the modern Carlton.....we quickly weed them out and get rid of them before they have time to infect the other players.
We prefer the softer gentle Von Trapp types...there was this bloke called Mitch Robinson, terrible individual...wouldnt shirk contests, always flew the flag, dragged the whole team down with his tough attack on the ball and constant habit of tackling opposition hard so he had to go. Liams best hope is to play VFL for the Bulldogs and hope for redemption......
Do you really think that coaches, who played as hard as Voss and Hamill did, want soft, gentle players?
Stocker wasn’t delisted because he has tattoos and delivers a mean hip and shoulder. He was delisted because he wasn’t able to replicate his VFL form at AFL level.
Do you really think that coaches, who played as hard as Voss and Hamill did, want soft, gentle players?
Stocker wasn’t delisted because he has tattoos and delivers a mean hip and shoulder. He was delisted because he wasn’t able to replicate his VFL form at AFL level.
Rather debateable considering he played 17 very good games last year.
Do you really think that coaches, who played as hard as Voss and Hamill did, want soft, gentle players?
Stocker wasn’t delisted because he has tattoos and delivers a mean hip and shoulder. He was delisted because he wasn’t able to replicate his VFL form at AFL level.
Voss screwed up the Brisbane list with bumbling list management and what did Hamill do at the Saints to make them a remarkably successful team?, its not like we have a plethora of overly physical players either and Stocker was a breath of fresh air in that regard.
Josh Honey was rewarded with another season and he has hardly replicated his VFL form in the seniors so it must be different criteria he was booted for IMO....maybe more personal reasons.
Josh Honey was rewarded with another season and he has hardly replicated his VFL form in the seniors so it must be different criteria he was booted for IMO....maybe more personal reasons.
Yes, that's how I see the Stocker events.
If it was about football then that would be even more perplexing relative to Honey, because Honey barely even had VFL form of any note.
I was thoroughly gobsmacked when Honey got an AFL gig this season, I'd mentioned he looked weeks away, but he got a gig off the back of a couple of cheap goals, one or two Joe the Goose type scores. Actually I told a friend at the time and may have even posted here, that I thought it was because we were putting Honey on the market! Perhaps in hindsight it was purely an issue of injuries.
Yes, that's how I see the Stocker events.
If it was about football then that would be even more perplexing relative to Honey, because Honey barely even had VFL form of any note!
I was thoroughly gobsmacked when Honey got a gig, actually I told a friend at the time, and may have even posted here, that I thought it was because we were putting him on the market!
A lot of inconsistencies in our list management, Im no real advocate of Setterfield but I was shocked to hear he has to wait till the end of the trade period for word on a new deal which really means he would be silly to knock back any offer from another club because there are no guarantees with us. Yet we sign Honey, promise the ageing Ed Curnow a deal and it was Setterfield who played his best games late in the season...fattening him up for trade?...maybe but lets get realistic he will be at the cheap end of the trade scale.
A lot of inconsistencies in our list management, Im no real advocate of Setterfield but I was shocked to hear he has to wait till the end of the trade period for word on a new deal which really means he would be silly to knock back any offer from another club because there are no guarantees with us. Yet we sign Honey, promise the ageing Ed Curnow a deal and it was Setterfield who played his best games late in the season...fattening him up for trade?...maybe but lets get realistic he will be at the cheap end of the trade scale.
Understand that EB but if we knew who we may be likely to bring in these events may make a lot more sense?
My view on all this is that Voss took a year to have a look at everyone and now is getting rid of the who he thinks are the "cannots" and keeping who he thinks are the "cans". Simple as that.
My view on all this is that Voss took a year to have a look at everyone and now is getting rid of the who he thinks are the "cannots" and keeping who he thinks are the "cans". Simple as that.
I think that is exactly what is going on G2C. Perhaps there is a bit of "we can bring in X as an improvement on Y" too.
Some players may be fortunate in that their contract status may give them another year to try get a place among the "cans".
I think that is exactly what is going on G2C. Perhaps there is a bit of "we can bring in X as an improvement on Y" too.
Some players may be fortunate in that their contract status may give them another year to try get a place among the "cans".
Voss wants them to play a specific way which is very different to how many in this group have ever played. This year was about finding who was committed enough to play his way. This preseason will be utterly brutal.