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Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #60

agree totally. Team looked spooked early and never shook it off. Even when we brought them to a standstill. Cats weren't really that good. It was hugely disappointing. Seemed to be panicking when we needn't. Guess we're a couple of years away from totally crushing others. Nice that it seems the boys look staunch. Gee I hope so.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #61
The pace of the game and the continued intensity of pressure caught out quite a few of the players - Newman being one of the worst offenders with his turnovers but I was buoyed by the way we fought out the game - especially without winning centre clearances and a number of easy goals that we (or the umpires) gifted to the pussies.
I reckon Father Time is catching up to Newmy quicker than he thinks. Its been a number of weeks now where I reckon he gets caught with the ball a lot easier than in the past, looks extremely slow at times.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #62
I reckon Father Time is catching up to Newmy quicker than he thinks. Its been a number of weeks now where I reckon he gets caught with the ball a lot easier than in the past, looks extremely slow at times.
In fairness you could say the same about Walsh, Kennedy and Hewett as they are all getting pegged more often recently.

The problem isn't the ball carrier, it's the lack of free options around the ball carrier. But this is expected in the 2nd half of the season after opposition clubs have had the chance to dissect the Voss tactics. The next question is how does Voss tweak the style to make the required corrections.

An effect is that as a group we've lost some confidence, that causes indecision and it shows when players get caught holding the ball.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #63
I thought Newman was better than Docherty.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #64
I thought Newman was better than Docherty.
I thought quite a few of our players did not look 100% in the headspace, Docherty, SoJ, Cripps, it looked like they had let the Handbaggers get under their skin and never got back on track.
 
That 22 is a real problem for us, he even rules against us from remote distances! I suspect someone at our club must be asking a few questions today, because the difference in the umpiring stands out like a sore thumb! This season it seems worse than before. For example, Cripps can have his head ripped off and 22 won't budge, but if Cripps even dusts an opponent's hairdo 22 won't hesitate to blow the whistle. It must be infuriating for our players, it's not the free being paid it's the frees not being paid that are the problem. I thought Leigh Fisher was pretty harsh on us, but 22 takes it to a new level!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #65
I thought quite a few of our players did not look 100% in the headspace, Docherty, SoJ, Cripps, it looked like they had let the Handbaggers get under their skin and never got back on track.
 
That 22 is a real problem for us, he even rules against us from remote distances! I suspect someone at our club must be asking a few questions today, because the difference in the umpiring stands out like a sore thumb! This season it seems worse than before. For example, Cripps can have his head ripped off and 22 won't budge, but if Cripps even dusts an opponent's hairdo 22 won't hesitate to blow the whistle. It must be infuriating for our players, it's not the free being paid it's the frees not being paid that are the problem. I thought Leigh Fisher was pretty harsh on us, but 22 takes it to a new level!
Wow, based on this he should get the sack today. Oh sorry forgot, its all part of the AFL's agenda to keep us out of the 8 and down the bottom of the ladder.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #66
Geelong are better without Dangerfield and Selwood as their leading lights.
They don't play the old Cat way anymore and are aggressive tacklers and chasers.
None of our key play makers had the time to break clear or create any method going forward.We seemed under constant pressure and the scoreboard flattered us imo, I don't buy into junk time late goals either. Our mids got plenty of ball but the stats inflated their effectiveness, good reality check for us and the coach who didn't have a great night imho.

 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #67
The one saving grace about the stage fright phenomenon is that it happened during the Home & Away.  I would like to think we will be far better prepared next time (assuming we get another crack!).

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #68
The one saving grace about the stage fright phenomenon is that it happened during the Home & Away.  I would like to think we will be far better prepared next time (assuming we get another crack!).
Was thinking the same thing watching the game on Saturday night, a reality check for what happens when you're not 100% switched on.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #69
I thought quite a few of our players did not look 100% in the headspace, Docherty, SoJ, Cripps, it looked like they had let the Handbaggers get under their skin and never got back on track.

Each of the three players you've mentioned have had to shoulder extra responsibilty for a number of weeks because of players missing.
Pittonet being absent means Cripps and Silvagni have had harder tasks.
Docherty has suffered a bit with Weitering, Williams and other defenders out of action.

You hold up well for a while but in the end it does wear you down, and frustrations start to show.
Jack, in particular, could probably do with a week off but it's a luxury we don't have at the moment.

It's not that they're not up to the task...it's more that the task has been formidable....perhaps a bit more than we realise.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #70
Im a bit more concerned by our MCG form to be honest.

The matches at the MCG have been the ones we have shown the patchiest form where we have played good footy for less than half the game (if that).

Against Geelong we went with them until they got some freebies, and then never looked likely which was the most frustrating part of it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #71
Here's a crazy stat I read, when Kennedy plays and gets 14 handballs, we are 9W-0L. When doesn't, we are 2W-4L.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #72
Wow, based on this he should get the sack today. Oh sorry forgot, its all part of the AFL's agenda to keep us out of the 8 and down the bottom of the ladder.
I think you have conflated and confused multiple different issues covering both off-field and on-field events into a single perspective. Whether you do that innocently or deliberately only you can know, but it is invalid to de-value multiple debates by conflating several issues into the single perspective, that's the sort of stuff the media do when they attempt to deride an opinion. There is a philosophical term used to describe that sort of tactic/error, whether it's innocent or deliberate, it is called an Association Fallacy.

Like it or not we as a club have an issue with 22, why that exists is a very separate debate but there is clearly a difference in how he officiates when he is part of our umpiring panel.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #73
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by EB1
I thought Cameron and Hawkins contributed to other goals as well which was the difference.
Geelong are playing a different game style now, I even saw Hawkins in the back pocket, the reliance on Dangerfield, Selwood etc is now over and more of their players are playing in a non traditional way and taking on more responsibility rather than relying on a couple of stars to ignite the rest..

I posted these stats in another thread pre-game last week.

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Score involvements

Curnow 7.4
McKay 6.4

Cameron 7.8
Hawkins 8.2

The difference here is probably in some part  due to the fact that Geelong are producing a few more scoring opportunities.

Goal Assists

Curnow 0.4
McKay 0.3

Cameron  0.8
Hawkins 1.2

I put some of the difference down to the fact that Geelong have had more scoring opportunities, but the real takeaway is that Cameron and Hawkins are a big influence in those scoring opportunities
The real strength of the Geelong forwards is their contribution to other goals.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798737/nine-things-we-learned-the-tigers-have-forgotten-how-to-win

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5. There's more to goals than kicking them
The 'goalkicking gunfight at the 'G' may have seemed an anticlimax with eight goals spread between Jeremy Cameron, Tom Hawkins, Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay, but it's the hidden statistics that show the difference between the pairs. The Cats duo combined for 20 score involvements, making sure goals were being kicked no matter whose boot the ball came off, while the two Blues totalled just nine. So far this season Hawkins and Cameron have totalled 33 goal assists compared to Curnow and McKay's 10. As good as the Carlton combo is, their Geelong counterparts know how to share the spoils up forward just a little bit better. - Howard Kimber


Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #74
I think you have conflated and confused multiple different issues covering both off-field and on-field events into a single perspective. Whether you do that innocently or deliberately only you can know, but it is invalid to de-value multiple debates by conflating several issues into the single perspective, that's the sort of stuff the media do when they attempt to deride an opinion. There is a philosophical term used to describe that sort of tactic/error, whether it's innocent or deliberate, it is called an Association Fallacy.

Like it or not we as a club have an issue with 22, why that exists is a very separate debate but there is clearly a difference in how he officiates when he is part of our umpiring panel.
Soooooo? Too many big words for a dummy like me, just tell me why he hasn't been fired for all these deliberate bad calls against us? I love this bit: Like it or not we as a club have an issue with 22.
By the this you the CFC or the CSC?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time