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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #90
Pride is a deadly sin.

Pride in ones country is something that can be had without forcing it upon others with the introduction of a flag. This is where the issue is.

Support your player, but just like the US and Old Glory, shoving your national flag in peoples faces constantly will lead to issues and it all stems back to pride.

Read the room at least.

So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #91
So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

I've got no problems with banning them all, yes.

Yes it can be good to see your own flag waved in victory, or support, but it also highlights a divide. "THAT person is different."
Without descending into another racism debate, we need to stop highlighting differences and realise we are all humans.

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #92
Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #93
So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Other tennis competitions, as I mentioned previously, are national team competitions and I think it's fair enough to allow flags or other symbols at those event, provided that they won't cause offense/distress.

"Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi" should definitely be banned at all events.  Surely we can come up with something better ::)

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #94
Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Other tennis competitions, as I mentioned previously, are national team competitions and I think it's fair enough to allow flags or other symbols at those event, provided that they won't cause offense/distress.

"Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi" should definitely be banned at all events.  Surely we can come up with something better ::)


I take your point about allowing flags at national team competitions, and the Olympic Games is one example

Flag waving in support of individuals has caused problems for the AO in the past, and I recall some years ago trouble between supporters of individual Croatian and Serbian  players spilling out of the stadium into surrounding areas.

As for "Aussie Aussie Aussie...Oi Oi Oi" don't get me started.  It seems to me that the limited intelligence of the person who coined the saying caused him to run out of ideas after the third "Aussie" .

  I wince every time I hear it.  We present to the world as a nation of bogans.







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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #95
its unaustralian to NOT be a bogan...
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #96
Sad but true.

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #97
We're in a bit of a lull at the moment.
There's little movement in the front lines, a gain here, a loss  there.
Both sides are hibernating and people are are going about their business with just an occasional thought about the conflict.

But both sides are building...It's going to erupt again big time in the near future.
Dangerous times ahead.

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #98
We're in a bit of a lull at the moment.
There's little movement in the front lines, a gain here, a loss  there.
Both sides are hibernating and people are are going about their business with just an occasional thought about the conflict.

But both sides are building...It's going to erupt again big time in the near future.
Dangerous times ahead.

Unless the provision of state of the art MBTs gives Ukraine too great an advantage and Russia backs down.

Without going into too much detail, Soviet/Russian tanks used by both sides are line of sight.  The Leopards, Challengers and Abrams are better armoured and have “over the horizon” offensive ability and can destroy enemy armour that’s out of sight.

In the Iraq war, a Challenger 1 destroyed a T-72 with one round at a distance of 4,700m.  The Challenger 2, as gifted to Ukraine, is more lethal than its predecessor.

There is a report of a Ukrainian T-64BV destroying a Russian tank at a range of 10,600m but that was with 20 rounds of indirect fire.
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #99
Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Would that include the Aboriginal flag?
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #100
Unless the provision of state of the art MBTs gives Ukraine too great an advantage and Russia backs down.

Without going into too much detail, Soviet/Russian tanks used by both sides are line of sight.  The Leopards, Challengers and Abrams are better armoured and have “over the horizon” offensive ability and can destroy enemy armour that’s out of sight.

In the Iraq war, a Challenger 1 destroyed a T-72 with one round at a distance of 4,700m.  The Challenger 2, as gifted to Ukraine, is more lethal than its predecessor.

There is a report of a Ukrainian T-64BV destroying a Russian tank at a range of 10,600m but that was with 20 rounds of indirect fire.

Russia isn't backing down. They will nuke before they lose.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #101
Russia isn't backing down. They will nuke before they lose.
Russia and Russian's pride themselves on being strategic managers, that is why chess is so popular in the soviet block.

If Russia is pressed it will realise the way to end this current battle is to concede enabling them to live to fight another day, which they can do by knocking over the King! If the King is stupid enough to think his followers naivé then he'll be sacrificed to end the conflict.

I greatly doubt anybody in modern politics, with even a miniscule outlook beyond the next 5 minutes or so, would be stupid enough to be the first to press the nuclear button, doing so is a license to let your enemies make you the next Japan! The bigger issue is that a nuclear weapon might fall into the hands of a terrorist as opposed to a state, but even so a terrorist isn't going to get their hands on multiple warheads and be able to store and maintain them as viable for any length of time. The half-life of the fissile material guarantees a device becomes redundant within a few years, at which time they are more dirty bomb than destructive. It's called critical mass for a reason, and it is very critical to be at just the right mass to detonate efficiently, just a few tens of grams too much or two little and the yield falls massively.
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #102
Then why aren't we obliterating them?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #103
Then why aren't we obliterating them?
Because most of the people being forced to fight, and by far the biggest allocation of victims of any war, are the innocent!

There are just as many innocent on one side as the other.

There are lessons to be learned from Korea, Vietnam, etc., etc., and the world doesn't want to create a new version of the never ending and unwinnable conflict.
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Re: Russian Ukraine War

Reply #104
Because most of the people being forced to fight, and by far the biggest allocation of victims of any war, are the innocent!

There are just as many innocent on one side as the other.

Why isn't anyone helping the Ukraine defend their own country?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!