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Reply #90 –
Quote from: LP on
Yes, and I fear the even tougher times ahead will only cause this waste to become a bigger and bitter issue. It's not going to be fun to be at either end of the spectrum, retirees self-funded or otherwise and those new to the workforce are really going to suffer.

I've associates in Peru who having just been slammed by the pandemic then coped it in the neck over industrial and social reforms coming out of what they describe as communist rule (Left Wing). What is / has happened there I believe is not so much a Peru specific issue but a precursor to what is about to happen to large portion of the global population. Peru is quite liberalist and as such it makes a good model for the west.

In some regard the referendum itself and it's fall is a failure of many to read the room!
Think they read the room with the polls giving a clear indication of the likely result but still wasted the money when they should have just legislated instead and at least had something working moving forward and not leaving this division we seem to have now due to politics being the priority rather than people. Albanese got voted in to Govern not throw responsibility and blame back to the Electorate and Dutton's only interest was getting political milage out of Labor fails so none of it was a recipe for success.
Everything major gets politicised in Aus which never leads to good outcomes......

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Reply #91 –
Quote from: dodge on
For me, GTC, sick of politicians not working together for the betterment of the country.  Can't generally be bothered with political - and unfortunately the voice was - discourse.  That, the well organised far left and right and lack of respectful debate (although this suite is pretty good) turn me right off.
Yep. Couldn't generate bipartisan support during a global pandemic which killed thousands, you expect them to work together now? They are a joke.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #92 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Ironic that the rich white suburbs voted yes.
The Banks and Big Mining companies were also supporters of the Yes campaign which probably didnt do much for the Yes vote in the struggling mortgage belt areas either.

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Reply #93 –
Quote from: PaulP on
You can look through our history and see that we are resistant to change at the best of times.

We're a paradox in the area of change.

Deeply progressive, even far-sighted in some areas yet feverishly fearful and conservative in others. SA was one of the first  states in the world to give women the right to vote and our nation one of the first (just behind the Kiwis) globally, yet indigenous folks were not given the right to vote until the late 60s! And the White Australia Policy wasn't given the kibosh (in writing, ie) until almost the mid 70s!

Generally, we are near the front of the pack to embrace technological change but not so much EVs? Such a fascinating little box of contradictions are we.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #94 –
At the risk of creation a furore, and feeling a gentle tap on the shoulder from the trunk of an elephant... I wonder what the % of the respective voting sides would be if you eliminated the racist vote? I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #95 –
Quote from: Baggers on
We're a paradox in the area of change.

Deeply progressive, even far-sighted in some areas yet feverishly fearful and conservative in others. SA was one of the first  states in the world to give women the right to vote and our nation one of the first (just behind the Kiwis) globally, yet indigenous folks were not given the right to vote until the late 60s! And the White Australia Policy wasn't given the kibosh (in writing, ie) until almost the mid 70s!

Generally, we are near the front of the pack to embrace technological change but not so much EVs? Such a fascinating little box of contradictions are we.

I suspect we are like most countries, with forces, beliefs, views pulling us in different directions. Most countries, in times of relative stability, do develop a certain character, a certain way of behaving, certain ideas, that give those countries a certain identity. I think it's also worth noting the global trends to which many countries fall prey. We are at a point now where the left is pretty much dead. Most countries are drifting towards the right. And I don't mean the Murdoch idea of left, which is laughable. I mean a legit alternative to the corporate forces and ideologies which have dominated far too long. 

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Reply #96 –
Quote from: Baggers on
At the risk of creation a furore, and feeling a gentle tap on the shoulder from the trunk of an elephant... I wonder what the % of the respective voting sides would be if you eliminated the racist vote? I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o

A question that is tempting to ask, but is for sure a dead end in terms of trying to get a genuine answer.

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I bet no-one is surprised that the Qld Yes vote struggled to get close to a third (of the vote)? :o

Is that actually a 'Statist' generalisation. :D  :D  :D  :D

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Reply #98 –
Quote from: Lods on
Is that actually a 'Statist' generalisation. :D  :D  :D  :D

Sprung!  :-[
Yes, we Statists are known to meet monthly, deep in darkly treed forests, wearing our white dust coats emblazoned with numbers praying to the gods, Divisionist, Plus, Multiply and Minus. The great god's name, Graph, is only whispered, with bowed heads.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #99 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Sprung!  :-[
Yes, we Statists are known to meet monthly, deep in darkly treed forests, wearing our white dust coats emblazoned with numbers praying to the gods, Divisionist, Plus, Multiply and Minus. The great god's name, Graph, is only whispered, with bowed heads.
Graph is but one of the minor supreme beings.  The true messiah is Correlation.......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #100 –
That's OK.
Come the revolution, we'll need good Mathematicians ;)  :D

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Reply #101 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Everything major gets politicised in Aus which never leads to good outcomes......


This craps me to tears.  You get the feeling that if one party says "up" the other party just says "down" as a knee-jerk reaction.  doesnt get us anywhere.

The amount of playing the man rather than the issue during the pandemic was shameful.  as others have pointed out on here, it was more about point scoring, rather than any thought of saving lives

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
The Banks and Big Mining companies were also supporters of the Yes campaign which probably didnt much for the Yes vote in the struggling mortgage belt areas either.

I hadnt realised this, until did a bit of reading recently.  does make sense they would be worried about this (even if no effect on them in the short term) - and now makes a lot of sense as to the deep pockets (and long reach) of the No campaign
 

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Reply #103 –
Ill just add two more cents worth:
1. When there is debate, people seem to forget this country is made up of many diverse cultures, backgrounds, varying education levels, ideologies so on and so forth. Some people need to be spoon fed more than others. I felt like there was too much "why would you vote No?" commentary and not enough "here's why you should vote Yes" (if that makes sense). When it's all said and done, the democratic process of the day resulted in a decision that is representative of the entire country, like it or not. By the way, I found the whole "silence for a week thing" extremely childish given how much work there is to do, poor leadership IMO. Imagine Vossy and Crippa sooking it up after loss and not speaking to anyone. We all dust ourselves off, roll up the collective sleeves again and get to work in making this country better, pedal to the metal.
2. As for playing the man, I felt the "Yes" campaigners were far more aggressive, intimidating, arogant and dismissive. I think these are also factors that went against the "Yes" vote.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #104 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I found the whole "silence for a week thing" extremely childish given how much work there is to do, poor leadership IMO. Imagine

I get it. They have put in years of hard work of trying to get a solution, one presents and it is not accepted by the public.  This is a big knock back for them.  They need some time to digest, process and think about 'what next'.

They could have presented it in a better way than they did.