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Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #30
... and Abbott gives Flannery gets the a5se ... finally .....

Party's over and time to clean out the pig trough.


Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #31
Laugh, Palmer might win a seat despite trying his very best to prevent it from actually happening late in the election.

There are some interesting sackings in recent days. Quite a few seem to be more related to silencing the supporters of any emissions trading scheme or carbon tax rather than changing the economic management.

I am not really that fussed, but I am concerned about a change in a major promise already. I was under the impression Abbott had said he would not stop or cut projects that were already sign off or funded. Yet it seems he rolled out the henchmen to axe several innovation and industry initiatives staff halting projects that had already begun, all this while the press were busy watching him get sworn in at government house.

These were not recent projects, not like the Bracks appointment, some of the projects employed hundreds of people and had been underway for 2 or 3 years with another 10 or 15 years to go! In some cases whole centres had been built to house the project staff.

Retrospectively it seems this was an Abbott weasel word promise, because they haven't cut or stopped the project or funding. They have just sacked the administration staff which effectively halts all the projects and spending indefinitely. Several industrial / commercial partners have already made staff redundant as a result.

This is a horrible way for a countries leaders to behave, irrespective of their political background. There is no excuse for deceptive behavior from any public office bearer.

Yep. Exactly.
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Reply #32
Not much point winning an election if you run a vendetta against public servants and settle some scores. That's pretty much step 1. Poor old Bracksy nearly had the keys to the apartment in New York. What a sweet gig that would be.

Step 2 is to "discover" something that can be blown up into a "blackhole". Then repeat the word "blackhole" for 12-18 months.


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Reply #33
So here we are in the utopian haze of an Ablett led government.

No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.
 Tony Abbott, SBS NEWS – September 6, 2013

Fail!!

"We are about reducing taxes, not increasing taxes. We are about getting rid of taxes, not imposing new taxes. This is my whole reason for being in politics, in the Parliament."

 Tony Abbott, November 20, 2012.

Fail!!!

This is a fair budget, everyone is doing his or her bit, including, dare I say it, politicians.”
Tony Abbott, Channel Ten, May 14.

LOL!!

If Labor had brought in a "deficit levy" on the wealthy – yes, another tax – the Tories and their claque of media toadies would have shrieked blue murder about socialist class warfare. Instead, they portray Abbott as a strong leader taking tough decisions to end a budget "emergency" they themselves invented.

Actually, someone on $200,000 a year would pay around an extra $210 in tax, the cost of a business lunch. And the politicians' wage freeze is derisory. On $507,000 a year, Abbott is one of the world's best paid leaders, doing rather better than Barack Obama earning the equivalent of $425,000 or, say, the Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, who scrapes by on $161,000.

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Reply #34
trouble is with governments is theirs no transparency on treasury. This gives opposition leaders an out when they come in.
Figures have been fudged for incumbents to try and get re elected, and more than always, promises aren't able to get funded. Treasury should be bi partisan, independent, and transparent in this over governed country

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Reply #35
trouble is with governments is theirs no transparency on treasury. This gives opposition leaders an out when they come in.
Figures have been fudged for incumbents to try and get re elected, and more than always, promises aren't able to get funded. Treasury should be bi partisan, independent, and transparent in this over governed country

The Victorian Constitution contains a provision compelling the incumbent Governing party to abide by promises made pre election. whilst they're not compelled to deliver on those promises, there is an obligation to take reasonable steps to do so. This doesn't exist at federal level.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

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Reply #36
Let's see what's happened in 9 months.

NBN - which is essential to Australias international welfare, has been bastardized more severely than any whore from Game of Thrones. Tests coming from sites with the FTTN Liberal Solution are showing no better that half of the proposed speed. While both the US and UK governments pledging a gigbit broadband network.

We are already seen as backwater as far as IT / communication goes and by doing this we are making sure that there will be no IT investment in Australia. Even the Labour proposed FTTP at a top speed of 100/40 was slow by Asian standards but the infrastructure of fibre optics to buildings allows upgrades in the future.

By FTTP we would finally take away the monopoly away from Telstra who rides roughshot over the telecommunication industry with their copper infrastructure. Now the Libs have placed a former Telstra CEO to investigate and implement the "new" NBN and surprise surprise he's found that the copper is still needed and now Telstra is happily negotiating a rental of their lines, but there is no agreement as yet so how can the Libs have accurate costing.

Labour had the right idea just went about it poorly with the sub contracting. Now thanks to the Liberal way we have more people going bankrupt who were given assurances that the would have 5-10 years work and bought plant equipment to run the FTTP cabling which will become useless but they still have loans owing money equipment bought.

I've had many arguments with older people who complain that the NBN will only be useful for those wanting to download movies / TV / Music faster. This short sighted opinion is what is preventing an out roar.

Imagine when registering your car you get access to the "roads network" which can regulate traffic congestion by talking to the cars GPS/phone, alert you of any accidents either by LCD signage or again to your GPS/phone, plus track cars stolen much the same way you can track your phone. The technology is there but the amount of information coming into servers and sending back out would create a bottleneck and the communication would not be fast enough during peak traffic times. That's just one example. Education and health are two would would benefit greatly from a fast NBN reducing costs. Any doctor around the country could communicate in true high definition with specialists from all over the world, schools could have real time conversations with experts.

The possibilities are endless but because of the ignorance and pigheadedness of the government we are going to be pushed even further backwards.

We will go into a recession within the next 10 years, the only exports that are excelling is mining and once China stops its boom then where is the international money coming from? We import food from overseas that we are capable of growing here because Coles / Woolworths want to make 10c more an apple. We don't manufacture 10% of what we used to 30 years ago because of the unrealistic wages set by unions and the greedy CEOs of companies.

The economy is stalling and many of you in the big cities don't see it yet. I'll give you an example of the last 25 years in a town down here in Tassie call Scottsdale in the north east just 20kms away from Barnboogle golf course. This was a town of around 7,500 people that grew hops, veggies, livestock, milk products and processing and had 4 sawmills with a rich forest industry.

Hops were the first to go, big industry now import them so that the international companies that own Australian beer can make 5c extra a beer.
When international interests bought out our vegetable companies and supermarket chains they started to low ball the vegetable and milk producers making it now viable for some farmers to stay in business with many turning to tree farms for their land. So once a big chunk of farms stopped producing vegetable and milk they closed down the processing plants in the area as transporting vegetables to the area is costly as you have to go through a mountain range to get there.

So the farmers planted trees with promised returns from companies like Gunns, who were no where near as evil as the media made out to sell newspapers, ironically printed on what Gunns were trying to produce. Then the Greens held the balance of power in Tassie and they blocked anything Gunns wanted to do, Gunns went bankrupt and all these farmers now have paddocks of trees that are worthless, sawmills have closed down as well and Scottsdale, this small town in the North East of Tasmania that once was a thriving community is like a ghost town.

This is the story of many small towns in Tassie and I'm sure around the country, the flow on effect has hit Launceston where I'm from which is the closest city to Scottsdale and the two other major centres up the North West in Devonport and Burnie have been even harder hit which again effects Launceston which in turn will start to effect Hobart more and more.

What Abbott has done with this budget is easy slash and burn everything that does not effect the Liberal party supporters way of life. Don't worry about planes, paid maternity leave, education cuts. Worry about government departmental spending, worry about wages (which is governed by the public sector) and worry about manufacturing and ingenuity, that's how we save the country because at the moment my kids are going to inherit a total basket case.

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Reply #37
I don't mind the Government providing the infrastructure for the NBN.

I do think that if people want to hook in they should pay for it to be hooked directly to their home.


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Reply #38
@Raydan

My concern is primarily with the changes to education. One of the unique Australian traits is 'a fair go for all'- regardless of socio-economic background. The ability to change ones circumstances, through which education is a primary mechanism, has until now been limited only by an individual's own personal will. We went from the lucky country to the country of opportunity. The changes to education will alter Australia forever, Its a stupid and short sighted solution to economic reform. Even Hokey has admitted that, as the son of migrant, he was fortunate to have been able to go to university and gain an education. To restrict it to those that can afford it will only emphasize class divide. This is not the Australian way. 
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #39
@Raydan

My concern is primarily with the changes to education. One of the unique Australian traits is 'a fair go for all'- regardless of socio-economic background. The ability to change ones circumstances, through which education is a primary mechanism, has until now been limited only by an individual's own personal will. We went from the lucky country to the country of opportunity. The changes to education will alter Australia forever, Its a stupid and short sighted solution to economic reform. Even Hokey has admitted that, as the son of migrant, he was fortunate to have been able to go to university and gain an education. To restrict it to those that can afford it will only emphasize class divide. This is not the Australian way.

People can still go to uni?


Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #40
@Raydan

My concern is primarily with the changes to education. One of the unique Australian traits is 'a fair go for all'- regardless of socio-economic background. The ability to change ones circumstances, through which education is a primary mechanism, has until now been limited only by an individual's own personal will. We went from the lucky country to the country of opportunity. The changes to education will alter Australia forever, Its a stupid and short sighted solution to economic reform. Even Hokey has admitted that, as the son of migrant, he was fortunate to have been able to go to university and gain an education. To restrict it to those that can afford it will only emphasize class divide. This is not the Australian way.

Not only that but this is making us a more stupid country. Going to uni costs a left testie at the moment now with this they want the set.

The people without the financial means have to look for work but due to the lack of qualifications will have to settle for lesser jobs which are becoming few and far between. They are changing the dole requirements, so who knows what happens to kids coming out of year 12 for their future?

Pollies in general and Liberals specifically, always look after the top 1% and basically offer false promises to the rest of us around election time. Unfortunately we will never be able to fix it as it will only get worse.

Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #41
@Raydan

My concern is primarily with the changes to education. One of the unique Australian traits is 'a fair go for all'- regardless of socio-economic background. The ability to change ones circumstances, through which education is a primary mechanism, has until now been limited only by an individual's own personal will. We went from the lucky country to the country of opportunity. The changes to education will alter Australia forever, Its a stupid and short sighted solution to economic reform. Even Hokey has admitted that, as the son of migrant, he was fortunate to have been able to go to university and gain an education. To restrict it to those that can afford it will only emphasize class divide. This is not the Australian way.

Not only that but this is making us a more stupid country. Going to uni costs a left testie at the moment now with this they want the set.

The people without the financial means have to look for work but due to the lack of qualifications will have to settle for lesser jobs which are becoming few and far between. They are changing the dole requirements, so who knows what happens to kids coming out of year 12 for their future?

Pollies in general and Liberals specifically, always look after the top 1% and basically offer false promises to the rest of us around election time. Unfortunately we will never be able to fix it as it will only get worse.

So oyu can still go to uni, but you have to pay more back? 

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Reply #42
I don't mind the Government providing the infrastructure for the NBN.

But it's the wrong infrastructure. FTTN means a box on a street that the fibre optic cable is connected to then copper from the box to your home. If the box is outside your house you will get a better service that someone 100m away. If you have poor or old copper then your speed will be no better than now and bottlenecks will be created all over the country.
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I do think that if people want to hook in they should pay for it to be hooked directly to their home.

I'd be happy for that to happen too, do know how easy it would be for most houses? Have a connection for the cable to fibre, disconnect from the house and pull the cable through it would be a half hour job per premiss.

Unfortunately with the Liberals implementation that is not an option as the cable running along the roads will not have the connection points.

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Reply #43
An associate in HK was complaining about his slow fibre broadband speeds, he only gets 400Mbps, he thinks something is wrong because his neighbour gets 1000Mbps. Apparently HK stripped out 25Mbps FTTN hardware years ago as obsolete technology.

FTTH (Fibre to the Home) = 400Mbps up to 1000Mbps
At least 16X faster than the best Australian ADSL2+ connections!

FTTN (Fibre to the Node)(Copper to Home) = 5Mbps up to 25Mbps.
Just equal to or slower than the best Australian ADSL2+ connections!

Rumors are that Brandis and Abbott barely even know how to use a PCs for basic email but are making IT policy!

My colleagues in the UK get 300Mbps 4G cheaper than we get 25Mbps ADSL2+ connections here, some UK areas already get 3000Mbps fibre connections to home at about the same price as Australia's ADSL2+!

Many 3rd world countries have started rolling out fibre, because not only is it superior, it is cheaper than copper and has no value on the black market unlike copper which gets stolen all the time!

Over the life of a copper conductor, the energy need to send the signal, compared to the same for fibre, means the copper network uses more than 20X the power to operate! Conspiracy theorists claim the retention of copper is being driven politically by the energy providers, but I think that is extremists as both are low but one is much lower than the other! However 4G uses far less energy than copper phone lines, so maybe there is something in it!
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Re: Federal Election 2013

Reply #44
I don't mind the Government providing the infrastructure for the NBN.

But it's the wrong infrastructure. FTTN means a box on a street that the fibre optic cable is connected to then copper from the box to your home. If the box is outside your house you will get a better service that someone 100m away. If you have poor or old copper then your speed will be no better than now and bottlenecks will be created all over the country.
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I do think that if people want to hook in they should pay for it to be hooked directly to their home.

I'd be happy for that to happen too, do know how easy it would be for most houses? Have a connection for the cable to fibre, disconnect from the house and pull the cable through it would be a half hour job per premiss.

Unfortunately with the Liberals implementation that is not an option as the cable running along the roads will not have the connection points.

I had the old copper wire replaced about a year ago as my internet connection kept dropping out.

Works perfectly now.

They guy told me it was NBN ready too.

It did cost 400 bucks though (but that included installing a new plug.

No regrets here though.