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Quote from: thrunthrublu on January 19, 2014, 08:23:35 pm

Quote from: Baggers on January 19, 2014, 04:49:09 pm

The media and the public got on his back because we could all plainly see that he's a knob.

If someone like monfils was Australian, he'd get the royal treatment from the media.
Tomic needs an international former slam coach - move away from his dad -and apply himself 100%
kids definitely got talent.
ATM - it looks ominously similar to scud - more slams than grand slams

The silly thing is he has far more potential than the Scud. He has the ability to win points from his ground strokes and not rely on his power serve. He just needs to work harder than he has before and stay out of trouble. Start winning more often and appear to be the good guy like Federer and Djokovic and the media will get off his case. So will his fans. He has to decide things need to change first.

Hes not my pin up boy it just annoys me so typical of the media to get on his back and Australians to follow suit. We've seen it all before.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on January 19, 2014, 11:18:26 am

So let me guess? You both bagged the sht out of him the other night, are proven to be wrong and perhaps look a little foolish and this is your way of cleaning things up? But of course Tomic cares that much about what people like yourselves think that he would pull himself out of tennis and have surgery he doesn't require just to appease the haters.

Just cop it on the chin like men and move on.

It is elective surgery, just in case; Elective (of surgical or medical treatment) chosen by the patient rather than urgently necessary

I don't see anywhere someone posted that he didn't need or want the surgery, PI2C you made that assumption wrongly and incorrectly accused Baggers and myself.

I said it was a condition he had been playing with for years at least and in my opinion the timing is at best lucrative so I remain cynical!

Does he care about us, you bet he does! What the general public think of him determines the price his sponsors are prepared to pay for his name! His name plunged in value faster than the stock market this week, and his PR people know it! I think he needed the surgery now more to save face with sponsors than to improve his game or health!

But as I said, Tomic should be cut loose as a lost cause, no more public money for him. The Special Ks are already showing more than Tomic has offered in total so far!

PS: If you scan through the media you will find a number of true champions of the past raising the same doubts. It is valid to remain a skeptic based on his past!

The silly thing is he has far more potential than the Scud. He has the ability to win points from his ground strokes and not rely on his power serve. He just needs to work harder than he has before and stay out of trouble. Start winning more often and appear to be the good guy like Federer and Djokovic and the media will get off his case. So will his fans. He has to decide things need to change first.

Listen to thjs spin. It's elective surgery now. Haha! You're a first class knocker, and now proven wrong once again bagging an injured bloke you can't admit it...weak! You called him soft and he was injured now  admit you were wrong...yet again! Otherwise you'll never get any respect.

Where did he find these doctors who perform surgery on people who don't need it? Fully disclosed on TV no less?

Quote from: ItsOurTime on January 20, 2014, 10:05:32 am

Where did he find these doctors who perform surgery on people who don't need it? Fully disclosed on TV no less?

Again IOT, nobody stated that he did not have a condition that could be corrected by elective surgery, but lets not turn a voluntary procedure into urgent medical condition! FAI is a condition takes decades to develop and is not made worse by exercise or physical stress.

So that appears to me to leave two Tomic camp scenarios;

1/ They only just found it while looking at something else as they reported in the press. That means he was playing all his career with it without knowledge or problems.

2/ Or they have known about it for a long time, and have only now decided to have the work done, which is to say the least convenient!

Both scenarios raise equally valid questions about the validity of the announcements.

As for that TV skit I firmly agree with Baggers, FFS what a stunt! If the kid doesn't want to play Davis Cup again just say so and wear the financial consequences, don't blame a MRI or X-Ray! He can go off and have his "elective surgery" and nobody will gives a feck!

As for the behavior of fans, I hear little from the defenders of Bernard about the public treatment of his little sister. I assume this means they think she doesn't need or deserve protection, why isn't she a good enough player? That crowd behavior was blatant bullying and should be widely labeled a disgrace.

I feel sorry for his little sister, but I feel disdain for Bernard, his reputation precedes him!

"FAI is associated with cartilage damage, labral tears, early hip arthritis, hyperlaxity, sports hernias, and low back pain.

FAI is common in high level athletes, but also occurs in active individuals."

The diagnosis can be straightforward or a diagnosis of exclusion.  Most patients can be diagnosed with a good history, physical exam, and plain x-ray films.  A patient’s history will generally involve complaints of hip pain (front, side, or back) and loss of hip motion.  The physical exam will generally confirm the patient’s history and eliminate other causes of hip pain.  The plain x-ray films are used to determine the shape of the ball and socket as well as assess the amount of joint space in the hip.  Less joint space is generally associated with more arthritis.

Often an MRI of the hip is used to confirm a labral tear or damage to the joint surface.  The MRI is most helpful in eliminating certain causes of non FAI hip pain including avascular necrosis (dead bone) and tumors. A normal MRI does not preclude cartilage injury, labral tears, or FAI.

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No one knows if FAI is a condition that begins at birth (congenital and genetic association) or develops during periods of growth (acquired).  It is likely a combination of one’s genetics and environment.

Some experts believe that significant athletic activity before skeletal maturity increases the risk of FAI, but no one truly knows.

Nonoperative management of FAI is possible; however, it involves a change in lifestyle from active to less active and a commitment to maintaining hip strength. Nonoperative management will not change the underlying abnormal hip biomechanics of FAI and may contribute to further hip degeneration..

Operative management of FAI can be addressed via hip arthroscopy or open surgery.  In hip arthroscopy, the hip is distracted and an arthroscope is used to make an assessment of the hip joint and treat damage that is found through two to four 1 cm incisions.  Often, all of the components of FAI such as the labral tear, damaged cartilage, and friction between the ball and socket can be treated through the arthroscope.  Repair of a torn labrum as well as stimulating new cartilage growth (microfracture) are often possible with the arthroscopic approach.  A hip arthroscopy involving labral debridement (no repair) and no bony decompression usually takes less than one hour.  A hip arthroscopy involving labral/cartilage repair and FAI decompression may take between two and four hours, depending on the amount of work performed. Care must be taken to avoid damage to the hip's blood supply (the retinacular vessels) during the osteoplasty procedure.

The open surgical hip dislocation involves an incision (approximately 6 to 10 inches), an osteotomy or bone cutting of the upper thigh bone, and dislocation of the ball from the socket exposing all parts of the joint.  This exposure allows treatment of labral tears and abnormal contact between the ball and socket while protecting the blood supply to the hip.  The open approach can typically be done in a few hours.  The open approach is not generally recommended in older patients, in patients with significant hip degeneration, or in patients with significant athletic/activity demands..

Recovery time from most arthroscopic FAI surgical procedures is about 3 to 4 months to full, unrestricted activity.  Your postoperative activity level will depend on your surgeon’s recommendation, the type of surgery performed, and the condition of the hip joint at the time of surgery. Revision FAI surgery may involve a significantly longer recovery.

Sorry LP, but it looks like the facts dont help you in this argument at all.  You wont hear anyone apologising to Bernie.  Not even on a sports forum, but every single media person who has criticised him should be ashamed of themselves.

Femoroacetabular impingement (FAI) is a condition where the bones of the hip are abnormally shaped. Because they do not fit together perfectly, the hip bones rub against each other and cause damage to the joint.

How FAI Progresses

It is not known how many people may have FAI. Some people may live long, active lives with FAI and never have problems. When symptoms develop, however, it usually indicates that there is damage to the cartilage or labrum and the disease is likely to progress. Symptoms may include pain, stiffness, and limping.

In FAI, bone spurs develop around the femoral head and/or along the acetabulum. The bone overgrowth causes the hip bones to hit against each other, rather than to move smoothly. Over time, this can result in the tearing of the labrum and breakdown of articular cartilage (osteoarthritis).

Cause:

FAI occurs because the hip bones do not form normally during the childhood growing years. It is the deformity of a cam bone spur, pincer bone spur, or both, that leads to joint damage and pain. When the hip bones are shaped abnormally, there is little that can be done to prevent FAI.

Because athletically active people may work the hip joint more vigorously, they may begin to experience pain earlier than those who are less active. However, exercise does not cause FAI.

Treatment
Nonsurgical Treatment

Activity changes. Your doctor may first recommend simply changing your daily routine and avoiding activities that cause symptoms.

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications. Drugs like ibuprofen can be provided in a prescription-strength form to help reduce pain and inflammation.

Physical therapy. Specific exercises can improve the range of motion in your hip and strengthen the muscles that support the joint. This can relieve some stress on the injured labrum or cartilage.
Surgical Treatment

If tests show joint damage caused by FAI and your pain is not relieved by nonsurgical treatment, your doctor may recommend surgery.

Many FAI problems can be treated with arthroscopic surgery. Arthroscopic procedures are done with small incisions and thin instruments. The surgeon uses a small camera, called an arthroscope, to view inside the hip.

During arthroscopy, your doctor can repair or clean out any damage to the labrum and articular cartilage. He or she can correct the FAI by trimming the bony rim of the acetabulum and also shaving down the bump on the femoral head. Some severe cases may require an open operation with a larger incision to accomplish this.

Long-Term Outcomes

Surgery can successfully reduce symptoms caused by impingement. Correcting the impingement can prevent future damage to the hip joint. However, not all of the damage can be completely fixed by surgery, especially if treatment has been put off and the damage is severe. It is possible that more problems may develop in the future.

While there is a small chance that surgery might not help, it is currently the best way to treat painful FAI.