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Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #60 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
I would be very surprised if we started the year like we've played our last two games. If we did however wow. The torch will be well and truly applied to Mick.
You'd be hard pressed to to get support on that PI2C, pretty sure it'll be Ratts fault  :P
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........
 

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #61 –
"Carlton will be buoyed by what they saw before the clash with the Dogs, however, with big man Lachie Henderson playing for the Northern Blues against Footscray in the preceding VFL practice match.
 
Henderson, who had leg surgery in January, looked underdone but competed well in attack and is expected to be available for round one after getting through the contest unscathed."

AFL website

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #62 –
Wouldnt be worrying about losing preseason games but its fairly apparent we dont have the firepower up forward to kick enough goals.....Waite being the only target wont work even if he does stay on the park.
If we had recruited Jessie White for example and had Henderson at CHB our spine would look so much better, not bothering to find some solution to our ongoing forward problems is going to cost us again IMO.
Waiting for some kid to emerge from the end of the season draft wont work either, too many years to wait...the window is closing and we needed a solution for 2014......unless the club can pull off a big recuiting coup and tempt a decent KP forward away from some club next season I dont see how we can expect to make top 4 relying on Waite and perhaps Henderson.

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #63 –
Spot on EB1. Been saying it for years that we need a KPF and all we do is keep getting g midfielders. And even there we haven't been that good.

Anyway it's the preseason and we have hope for 2014 at least until round 1.
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #64 –
EB1. I was hoping Everitt was a solution for an extra forward or and extra defender to clear Henderson up forward, and have them switch during a game to give us match up options. I do agree we need another tall experienced forward who is capable to play as a forward. A decent defender with experience and one more capable mid. Lets just get these types to the club.

J Kennedy
Frawley
Sloan or a Cooney type

Top up with some good youngsters. Develop what we already have and trade out the list cloggers. Pray that Menzel becomes just what he needs to be. Pray that Robinson, Bell, and Cripps become superstars. Pray that Garlett and Yarran step up and become elite contributors each and every game without going missing at times. Pray Watson isn't a waste of space. Pray Kreuzer proves he was picked at pick one for a reason. Then the rest will just fall into place. I know EB1, I am a dreamer. ;D
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Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #65 –
We may have been waiting to see what happens with Levi and Rowe but I think it would be most unwise to continue with this hope. If one of those guys comes good it should be looked on as a bonus. We've been screaming out for KPPs now for years - time to do something about it for 2015 - start the planning NOW!.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #66 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Wouldnt be worrying about losing preseason games but its fairly apparent we dont have the firepower up forward to kick enough goals.....Waite being the only target wont work even if he does stay on the park.
If we had recruited Jessie White for example and had Henderson at CHB our spine would look so much better, not bothering to find some solution to our ongoing forward problems is going to cost us again IMO.
Waiting for some kid to emerge from the end of the season draft wont work either, too many years to wait...the window is closing and we needed a solution for 2014......unless the club can pull off a big recuiting coup and tempt a decent KP forward away from some club next season I dont see how we can expect to make top 4 relying on Waite and perhaps Henderson.

The reason for this appalling situation is because of our incompetent recruitment and list management over the years.

Now that Hughes has gone, his decisions ( as well as Mr Swan's decisions for keeping Hughes and Rodgers over the years) will continue to affect the Club for the next 5 to 10 years.

I remind everyone that Hughes 2nd best key position player recruitment decision over 10 years at Carlton was Bower after John Kennedy.

We will not make the 8 this year.....

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #67 –
The Kennedy vs Judd situation has been well discussed and I understand why the club traded Kennedy, the problem I have is that after that we didnt try and replace him until we had the tall draft where we got Mitchell, McCarthy etc...
Casboult and Rowe were the cheap gambles that have not paid off so far and dont look paying off either, they are not specialist KP forwards more just bit part players who are jack of all trades but masters of none and when it comes to KP forwards you need the real thing not cheap fill ins.
Its like buying a J11 Chery FWD or Great Wall FWD and expecting it to last and perform like a Toyota Landcruiser, either they fall part or just dont go at all...
There hasnt been a Podsiadly available as a low cost experienced player to cheat with like Geelong had and we are one short down the spine.....
Its going to be that one player that makes us midpack rather than top 4-6 IMO.



Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #68 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
The Kennedy vs Judd situation has been well discussed and I understand why the club traded Kennedy, the problem I have is that after that we didnt try and replace him until we had the tall draft where we got Mitchell, McCarthy etc...
Casboult and Rowe were the cheap gambles that have not paid off so far and dont look paying off either, they are not specialist KP forwards more just bit part players who are jack of all trades but masters of none and when it comes to KP forwards you need the real thing not cheap fill ins.
Its like buying a J11 Chery FWD or Great Wall FWD and expecting it to last and perform like a Toyota Landcruiser, either they fall part or just dont go at all...
There hasnt been a Podsiadly available as a low cost experienced player to cheat with like Geelong had and we are one short down the spine.....
Its going to be that one player that makes us midpack rather than top 4-6 IMO.

Take Talia instead of Lucas and Henderson can play forward. Bad Bad Bad selection.

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #69 –
Quote from: Raydan on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
The Kennedy vs Judd situation has been well discussed and I understand why the club traded Kennedy, the problem I have is that after that we didnt try and replace him until we had the tall draft where we got Mitchell, McCarthy etc...
Casboult and Rowe were the cheap gambles that have not paid off so far and dont look paying off either, they are not specialist KP forwards more just bit part players who are jack of all trades but masters of none and when it comes to KP forwards you need the real thing not cheap fill ins.
Its like buying a J11 Chery FWD or Great Wall FWD and expecting it to last and perform like a Toyota Landcruiser, either they fall part or just dont go at all...
There hasnt been a Podsiadly available as a low cost experienced player to cheat with like Geelong had and we are one short down the spine.....
Its going to be that one player that makes us midpack rather than top 4-6 IMO.

Take Talia instead of Lucas and Henderson can play forward. Bad Bad Bad selection.
Forget the past, put in place a plan to get Boyd. You've got two years to get it done CFC.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Mantis on
EB1. I was hoping Everitt was a solution for an extra forward or and extra defender to clear Henderson up forward, and have them switch during a game to give us match up options. I do agree we need another tall experienced forward who is capable to play as a forward. A decent defender with experience and one more capable mid. Lets just get these types to the club.

J Kennedy
Frawley
Sloan or a Cooney type

Top up with some good youngsters. Develop what we already have and trade out the list cloggers. Pray that Menzel becomes just what he needs to be. Pray that Robinson, Bell, and Cripps become superstars. Pray that Garlett and Yarran step up and become elite contributors each and every game without going missing at times. Pray Watson isn't a waste of space. Pray Kreuzer proves he was picked at pick one for a reason. Then the rest will just fall into place. I know EB1, I am a dreamer. ;D


Mants...Everitt is a good 3rd tall either down forward or down back.....he could be your Jack Gunston or your Ben Stratton but will always be your supporting actor not your star lead actor...Gunston needed Buddy and Roughy and Stratton needs Lake and Gibbo, we need another lead down forward actor so Everitt can be best supporting actor. He could be a very damaging player given the right structure but the danger is the club will try and cheat with him as a KP.
Freo have tried that with Chris Mayne...very good player, works hard but wont be a gun KP goalkicker and who is better suited to being a 3rd tall forward...it probably cost them the GF not having another decent marking tall down forward and allowed Lake to dominate.

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #71 –
That is why I think we need a key forward, and a key back first or second defender because Jamo won't last forever, and Watson isn't a certainty just yet. We also need another fast ball running mid. The inner types might develop to help support with Bell, Robinson and Cripps, with McLean while he still lasts. Judd is what I consider a bonus but he we only give this season and maybe one more at best.
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Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #72 –
I think the club at the time of the Judd trade thought that it would be relatively easy to secure another player of the ilk of Josh Kennedy yet as we now can see KPF's are rarer than hens teeth. Judd for Fev would have been ludicrous at the time, but now it would have been a major win as we would have retained JK. As good as Hendo is I'd be surprised if he could emulate the feats of the likes of Franklin, Roughead, Cloke, Brown, Riewoldts, Podsiadly or even Dawkins. I'd love it if he could prove me wrong but I doubt it and we've wasted time on Mitchell who was always to slow and Waite who is undisciplined and injury prone.

It would have been nice to know that the traitor in 19 was looking for a cash cow to ride home on so we could have traded him out a season ago when we could have looked at players like Taylor Walker, Kurt Tippett and John Butcher. Who knows maybe Wingard  could have found his way to us.

Remember when Elliott used the slogan "Best in the business"?  We are so far from that ATM!!
IN WADA WE TRUST

Re: Blues V Bulldogs @ Princes Park (Friday Arvo Match)

Reply #73 –
What a bunch of pussies. We lose a nothing scratch match by less than three goals and the sky is falling....

No Judd, no Carrots, no Gibbs (ditto Walker, Hendo, others) and (from what I gather) only 1 ruck?

It means jack.
Finals, then 4 in a row!