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Rather than dropping Brock I think one of Bell or Robbo is more likely - among others.

What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.

Quote from: madbluboy on March 22, 2014, 09:54:09 am

Hawthorn won a flag with inferior pure ruckmen but they worked it into an advantage.

Bailey was their best ruck but he was subbed off at 3 quarter time nearly every match for a midfielder to bring in more run.

Hale helped Bailey out and was probably their best contested mark up forward.

Roughead would go into the ruck in the final terms to bring even more run late in games.

Inferior than who, someone on our list?

Bailey(even as a cripple), Hale and Roughead are all a mile ahead of Rowe and Casboult.

Warnock and Kreuzer may break even in the centre circle, but as soon the ball moves out of the centre circle Bailey, Hale and Roughead all mark the ball or link up better than both our guys, actually all our guys. All three Hawthorn rucks could use their body and bulk well.

Your concept of inferior Hawthorn rucks seems to be coming from a very limited perspective! I assume by ruck you mean the centre tap, which explains your apparent perception of rucks and their value.

When I think of rucks I think of blokes who can drift across packs in D50 to take saving marks, guys who can sneak forward and mark deep in the F50. Guys who use their bulk to block defenders from tackling forwards. Players who create space around them for others. Guys who hurt the opposition physically, guys who take the front position. The tap is such a pissy component of the role ruckmen play that judging their value by it is almost a joke!

Quote from: bigblue on March 23, 2014, 01:52:03 pm

What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.

I so agree with this!

As for Robbo, he had 21 and 27 touches in our two finals last year and kicked 3 goals. He's not going anywhere and nor he shouldn't.

"pure ruckmen"

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 23, 2014, 03:21:23 pm

Quote from: bigblue on March 23, 2014, 01:52:03 pm

What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.

I so agree with this!

As for Robbo, he had 21 and 27 touches in our two finals last year and kicked 3 goals. He's not going anywhere and nor he shouldn't.

Yet he was voted worst on ground.

If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.

Quote from: madbluboy on March 23, 2014, 03:49:48 pm

"pure ruckmen"

Thanks for agreeing. 

Quote from: bignic on March 23, 2014, 04:43:23 pm

If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.

Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 23, 2014, 04:45:44 pm

Quote from: bignic on March 23, 2014, 04:43:23 pm

If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.

Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.

As we have shown in the past with any team. Come to play, and things just fall into place. Turn up flat and deflated, and your better off just going back home.

Quote from: Mantis on March 23, 2014, 08:32:41 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 23, 2014, 04:45:44 pm

Quote from: bignic on March 23, 2014, 04:43:23 pm

If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.

Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.

As we have shown in the past with any team. Come to play, and things just fall into place. Turn up flat and deflated, and your better off just going back home.

Not good enough though. We used to bury teams, yet now we struggle to get over the line.

This game on Thursday will define our season as far as I am concerned. If we win, then there is hope for us to at least make the 8. If we lose, we are gone.

The reason I say this, is because we will be facing a team who will be out to avenge their unexpected loss to us in the finals last year. They will be mentally and physically at their peak and will throw everything at us.

If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.

The season is going to be so tight this year, that we cannot afford to be 0/2 or 0/3 down. We will not recover from that.

I was around and didn't miss a game in 1964, our 100th. anniversary. The hype was unreal. I was far more heavily involved in the club at that time, through my fathers connections there, his friendship with the board and the players, in particular Big Nic who came to our home every week during his first 10 years at the club.

WE finished 10th!! In fact it was our worst year ever up to that point, in the VFL.

I haven't lived and supported the club this long, to see a repeat.

Unless modern medicine improves out of sight, I won't be around to see the 200th. anniversary, so I hope the boys that we have got, the coach and the coaching staff, can make this 150th year of our existence, a year to remember.

For all the right reasons

Quote from: LP on March 23, 2014, 04:09:47 pm

Quote from: madbluboy on March 23, 2014, 03:49:48 pm

"pure ruckmen"

Thanks for agreeing. 

You could have just apologised.