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Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #90
Let's be brutally honest with ourselves here ...... if we offer up the same woeful first half to the Pies like we did against the Dogs, it will well & truly be over at half-time.

They will make us pay for any lack of pressure, onfield indiscretions, skill errors & inaccurate kicking for goal.

Once they get a good lead, they pressure the opposition hard and never give them any opportunity of clawing their way back into the game.

The only way to beat them is attack, attack and then keep attacking. No lead is insurmountable in their eyes, when an opposition team tries to run the clock down or play safe, they smell the blood in the water and come at them even harder.

We have defenders coming out of our ying-yang so its time to rethink our options. Saad & Walsh to the wings all match gives us some serious running & clearance power that may be the edge we need to topple them. Whilst I never thought I'd say it but McGovern to the forwardline makes us less predictable too.


I like the Saad to the wing idea  so he is in the play more and being used as a weapon. Boyd can come in and play in his spot down back.Dont mind Walsh on the wing either, would give Sidebottom and J Daicos something to think about and change how Collingwood operate. Id use Kennedy down forward in a leadup role and try and leave Harry one out....presuming Moore will get Charlie and Id let let Charlie work up the ground more like Cameron of Geelong does.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #91
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #92
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.
Soft? What nonsense, they are the best team in the comp in just about every facet and they get their no 1 ruck back this week. Our blokes need to be at their very best (and then some) to beat them.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #93
Half their players are soft and the lads need to expose them in a tough brutal brand of footy where the pressure gauge is at its peak four quarter.
Nick Daicos has really got the treatment of late and surprised me with how he just picks himself up and carries on playing the game. Thought he would sook it up a bit but he seems to absorb the physical stuff well and I seem to remember his father was a bit the same.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #94
Would like us to try something radical, especially if Darcy is coming back. I would have Pittonet ruck himself into the ground. Just go for as long as he can and not give himself a rest. I honestly believe JSOS' game suffers as a result of him supplying a chop-out and think was the reason Young had such a poor game the week before. Hopefully Pitt can get to 3qtr time and then we bring on TDK for the last. Hawks used to sub McEvoy out in this way.
Just a thought

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #95
Nick Daicos has really got the treatment of late and surprised me with how he just picks himself up and carries on playing the game. Thought he would sook it up a bit but he seems to absorb the physical stuff well and I seem to remember his father was a bit the same.

I think they're soft and havent been exposed enough with unsocial footy.
Nick and Josh are soft recievers
Pendles, Sidebottom and Mitchell are soft
Hill, Markov, WHE, Ginnivan are all soft

But they play well as a unit and need to be disrupted.

Our lads need to be completely brutal

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #96
I think they're soft and havent been exposed enough with unsocial footy.
Nick and Josh are soft recievers
Pendles, Sidebottom and Mitchell are soft
Hill, Markov, WHE, Ginnivan are all soft

But they play well as a unit and need to be disrupted.

Our lads need to be completely brutal
We are not exactly the hardest team in the comp either...not sure it's our game style to be over physical.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #97
We are not exactly the hardest team in the comp either...not sure it's our game style to be over physical.

We were very hard for much of last year, brutal at contests. Need to return to that.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #98
We were very hard for much of last year, brutal at contests. Need to return to that.
Hard at the contest for sure at our best but I wouldnt call us unsocial or nasty.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #99
Hard at the contest for sure at our best but I wouldnt call us unsocial or nasty.
Jordan Lewis commented about us in one game last year, cant remember which one, said we added a brutal and ruthless edge to our game. He'd know as he was a kent when he played.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #100
Jordan Lewis commented about us in one game last year, cant remember which one, said we added a brutal and ruthless edge to our game. He'd know as he was a kent when he played.
So much of this comes down to confidence, with confidence you hesitate less, and everything seems easier, doubt breeds delay and then you act too late.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #101
So much of this comes down to confidence, with confidence you hesitate less, and everything seems easier, doubt breeds delay and then you act too late.

With the exception of maybe the Adelaide game, I haven't seen (to me eye at least) any issues with effort from our guys nor with our physicality. Sure they may take it easier at certain contests where there is risk to the opponent (and hence suspension) but in general, to suggest our blokes (or any AFL player for that matter) is soft is nonsense. I have always maintained his view and always will. It takes great courage to play at the highest level and being a thug like the old days is not being harder. I agree with you 100% about confidence, that applies to all facets of the game and once you get on a positive roll (like the Pies ATM), it is hard to stop. Ill say this about the Pies also, they seem to be enjoying their footy, each others company, training, etc. You saw the players reacting to the players mum giving a pre game address, they were in hysterics. Good on them. This is why whilst the results aren't going our way right now, its imperative they stay positive and enjoy all aspects of their footy whilst working their butts off to rectify their fortunes on the field.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #102
With the exception of maybe the Adelaide game, I haven't seen (to me eye at least) any issues with effort from our guys nor with our physicality. Sure they may take it easier at certain contests where there is risk to the opponent (and hence suspension) but in general, to suggest our blokes (or any AFL player for that matter) is soft is nonsense. I have always maintained his view and always will. Its take great courage to play at the highest level and being a thug like the old days is not being harder. I agree with you 100% about confidence, that applies to all facets of the game and once you get on a positive roll (like the Pies ATM), it is hard to stop. Ill say this about the Pies also, they seem to be enjoying their footy, each others company, training, etc. You saw the players reacting to the players mum giving a pre game address, they were in hysterics. Good on them. This is way whilst the results aren't going our way right now, its imperative they stay positive and enjoy all aspects of their footy whilst working their butts off to rectify their fortunes on the field.
My point is we don't have anyone like Maynard for example who wants to rip your head off if you go the knuckle on the Daicos kids.
We have a lot of nice boys playing for us who play nice polite football.Brave at the ball but in terms of brawling and being able to intimidate it's not how we play and hasnt been for a while.
The Crows exposed us last year when they went after the man and players like Walker and Fogarty think they can bully and intimidate us....
The old successful Carlton wouldn't tolerate it but we have been other teams bitches for a while.





Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #103
we are the soft team /players  can some 1 name a tough player at carlton

Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #104
we are the soft team /players  can some 1 name a tough player at carlton

Newman.
Crippa.
Hewett.
Owies.
JSOS.
Cottrell.
Cincotta.
Boyd.
...to name some...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17