Memo to Trigg and The Judge:
The good doctor has come into big bucks from an inheritance from his mother. WE DON'T NEED HIM, his money or his bimbos.
Culture and credibility!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/news-story/0dbe55c5f259c6a170f09aae584760b7
Memo to Trigg and The Judge:
The good doctor has come into big bucks from an inheritance from his mother. WE DON'T NEED HIM, his money or his bimbos.
Culture and credibility!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/news-story/0dbe55c5f259c6a170f09aae584760b7
whilst he embarrasses himself we as a club need to be inclusive of all. i dont respect his alleged business antics however i do respect that he has been a lifelong blues supporter and sponsor even when he was with the swans. lifes to short and we are not that big a club to not accept a member because they didnt fit our profile of whats right or good.
whilst he embarrasses himself we as a club need to be inclusive of all. i dont respect his alleged business antics however i do respect that he has been a lifelong blues supporter and sponsor even when he was with the swans. lifes to short and we are not that big a club to not accept a member because they didnt fit our profile of whats right or good.
I've said pretty much the same about Jack Elliott and have been shouted down.
Look on the bright side Townsendcalling, while we might find Edelsten's antics a bit uncomfortable at least he isn't James Hird! :D
I don't have an issue with him being a club member at all but not as a public face of the club. I just hope we don't see a shot of our coach's box with him sitting in the background again! ::)
I've said pretty much the same about Jack Elliott and have been shouted down.
Look on the bright side Townsendcalling, while we might find Edelsten's antics a bit uncomfortable at least he isn't James Hird! :D
or that other bumbling buffon triple chin mcguire
I don't have an issue with him being a club member at all but not as a public face of the club. I just hope we don't see a shot of our coach's box with him sitting in the background again! ::)
i dont think he holds any public position with the club, being in the box was either a raffle win or something he paid good dollars for. unless he has committed a heinous crime then lets all chill and bound him up in blue.
I don't have an issue with him being a club member at all but not as a public face of the club. I just hope we don't see a shot of our coach's box with him sitting in the background again! ::)
Agree, no issue with him being a member... just don't let him near any decision making involving the club.
Agree, no issue with him being a member... just don't let him near any decision making involving the club.
from memory i dont think he has ever been in a decision making position so really nothing to worry about.
also have all the legal actions against him concluded? if not whatever millions he gets will be chased by the lawyers.
i dont think he holds any public position with the club, being in the box was either a raffle win or something he paid good dollars for. unless he has committed a heinous crime then lets all chill and bound him up in blue.
If I recall, this was a gimmick available to corporates at a cost. I remember MM clarifying this in the media, as the hounds were quick to ask. I don't think our new way of going about business would support shenanigans, at least I hope not ::)
I believe we should be equitable, not like we haven't got members packs left over.
Welcome one, welcome all.
From memory, he paid 30k for the luxury of sitting in the coaches box
From memory, he paid 30k for the luxury of sitting in the coaches box
$30k of whose money? :D
Mummy's, because he was broke!!
30 k for two hours what a great hrly rate. as a long time non corp member i have absolutely no issue in this type of footy experience being made available for the highest possible dollar return. we unfortunately don't have enough members and debts so yes go out blues and get the good doctors cash before the lawyers get his mums cash or was that his cash originally and which has now come out of hiding.
Mummy's, because he was broke!!
His mum passed away and left him everything, he's rolling in dosh and needs to find ways to keep it from the creditors!
I'd say donating it to Carlton is a great way to start! :D
No problem with him giving money to the club. I just don't want to see him publicly associated with CFC. A bad look IMO.
No problem with him giving money to the club. I just don't want to see him publicly associated with CFC. A bad look IMO.
With the good doctor, one can't happen without the other unfortunately!!
With the good doctor, one can't happen without the other unfortunately!!
Then be strong and say "NO!". :)
Then be strong and say "NO!". :)
unfortunately we cant afford it. dont see the issue when the club is not responsible for the media he receives. have the pies commercial operations suffered due to have joffa associated with them?
or are we so superior / jealous that we cant tolerate an old person with cash who hooks up with younger consenting adults? or is it his dress standards we cant tolerate. as the great r pratt showed unity beats division so mine is a big YES for the wealthy doctor.
Then be strong and say "NO!". :)
It's unrealistic for us to be spurning the gift horse, we just need to be smart about it and prepare for when Caro attacks!
All we need to do is spruik the message that supporters are always welcome at the Carlton Football Club, and his presence has no bearing on the operation of the coaches box.
Problem solved, try and attack that. Even if you do it with an on field result, we will simply point to the opponent being better on the day and we know where we are at, and that we have a lot of work to do...
:D
It's unrealistic for us to be spurning the gift horse, we just need to be smart about it and prepare for when Caro attacks!
We're not paranoid at all - it's just that everyone (especially Caro) is out to get us! :D
who cares what he does in his private life (apart from the media )He supports carlton and if he wants to donate or get involved somehow why not . the doc not crim or been in jail we are so soft in this country let him support the blues.
who cares what he does in his private life (apart from the media )He supports carlton and if he wants to donate or get involved somehow why not . the doc not crim or been in jail we are so soft in this country let him support the blues.
I don't think anyone is arguing against that?
The club has never spruiked Edelsten to the media, it is the media that give him the exposure!
We're not paranoid at all - it's just that everyone (especially Caro) is out to get us! :D
I'm not naive either, just in case you think the negative press is purely an accident, you should go back and read the litany of CheatsFC reporting by Robbo, or Caro's bent on the Dusty saga!
the doc not crim or been in jail we are so soft in this country let him support the blues.
Maybe worth a fact check Mina!!
"Edelsten was a general practitioner, but was deregistered in New South Wales in 1988 and later in Victoria. In 1990, he was jailed for perverting the course of justice and soliciting Christopher Dale Flannery to assault a former patient."
Yeh, just our type.
Maybe worth a fact check Mina!!
"Edelsten was a general practitioner, but was deregistered in New South Wales in 1988 and later in Victoria. In 1990, he was jailed for perverting the course of justice and soliciting Christopher Dale Flannery to assault a former patient."
Yeh, just our type.
im pretty sure has completed his sentence so i don't something that occurred 26 + years ago is a deal breaker. for me the deal breaker regarding his involvement is conviction on major heinous crimes. its true that he is a controversial character however all clubs will have people involved that would be described as being "colorful". happy to reconsider if its proven that the media associating him to carlton materially hurts our brand.
Maybe worth a fact check Mina!!
"Edelsten was a general practitioner, but was deregistered in New South Wales in 1988 and later in Victoria. In 1990, he was jailed for perverting the course of justice and soliciting Christopher Dale Flannery to assault a former patient."
Yeh, just our type.
Together with his bankruptcy and outrageous partners, that's fairly compelling reasons to ensure that his association with the club is never publicised. Convicted felons in the coach's box isn't a good look.
Together with his bankruptcy and outrageous partners, that's fairly compelling reasons to ensure that his association with the club is never publicised. Convicted felons in the coach's box isn't a good look.
the club doesn't publicise so this is out of the clubs control. rather than have such narrow , conservative view of it consider the benefits of helping a member of the community help rehabilitate themselves. admire the fact that after his criminal indiscretion he has rebuilt his life. he is not alone in being bankrupt and re his partners well beauty is in the eye of the beholder - good on him for having a crack and some fun.
again i repeat the challenge show us some facts that his presence in the box has materially harmed the club?
There are other AFL clubs that have prominent players associated with cocaine dealing, bikie gangs, stand-over tactics, illegal weapons, mother-hunting, right wing activists that all receive far less attention than we get from Edelsten!
It seems it won't take much effort by Carlton to turn the heat back on the accusers, why should we be worried?
Disgraced businessman Geoffrey Edelsten says he fears for his life from irate Carlton supporters if he does not complete a payment he owes the football club.
Amid claims in his US court case that he has been repeatedly caught out misrepresenting his financial position and concealing assets from creditors, it has emerged Edelsten, a long-time Blues benefactor, owes the club $150,000 as part of a $1 million donation.
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even more reason to keep him interested in the club. hopefully now that he is cashed we will get that extra 150k. mind u he still donated 850k if u believe the report which is not a bad effort for someone we want nothing to with. give the doc a fair go.
He's a strange fellow, he's done some dodgy things...but in the end he's just another passionate Blues supporter.
If being a felon at one stage disqualifies you from contributing in whatever way we'd better do a thorough check of our history ;)
even more reason to keep him interested in the club. hopefully now that he is cashed we will get that extra 150k. mind u he still donated 850k if u believe the report which is not a bad effort for someone we want nothing to with. give the doc a fair go.
While he has been splashing his mother's money around, the ex-doctor is still in deep financial sh1t:
Bankrupt businessman Geoffrey Edelsten faces years of litigation in Australia and the United States, with creditors in both countries lining up to get a piece of his Victorian assets.
Edelsten is being chased by more than 40 creditors , including the Australian Taxation Office, for millions of dollars.
He also owes National Australia Bank, Bendigo Bank and AFL club Carlton among the 41 creditors, while court documents from 2014 say Edelsten owes more than $10 million to his former US business partner Rafael Mawardi.
Edelsten on Wednesday attended the Federal Court in Melbourne to observe a hearing involving his US bankruptcy trustee and the NAB.
Edelsten declared bankruptcy in the US in 2014, prompting his bankruptcy trustee to launch Federal Court proceedings which resulted in Edelsten's Australian assets being handed to an administrator.
NAB is one of three secured creditors owed money by Edelsten, who is being pursued by a further 38 creditors split between the US, Australia, the Dominican Republic and Singapore.
Counsel for the bank, Peter Collinson QC, said NAB are still working out how to navigate Edelsten's US bankruptcy, and litigation in Australia over unpaid loans.
"We face the high risk of having to litigate in two courts," Mr Collinson told Justice Jonathan Beach.
Justice Beach also questioned whether any orders he made would be recognised by the US Bankruptcy Court dealing with Edelsten's American debts.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/creditors-line-up-for-edelstens-assets/news-story/b3c685673b2b19d042aa38f778f05d53
The club should write off his debt and p1ss him off.
the news that creditors are trying to obtain some of his inheritance is not earth shattering news and is quite expected. the fact he is having business disputes should not disqualify him from a blues member/contributor - though they should get the cash upfront.
geez if we dont want people with current or previous financial issues or not repaid a debt then i shudder to think how low our membership base would be.
i would not write off his debt but rather try to leverage his clear love of the blues and try to eventually get it back.
the news that creditors are trying to obtain some of his inheritance is not earth shattering news and is quite expected. the fact he is having business disputes should not disqualify him from a blues member/contributor - though they should get the cash upfront.
geez if we dont want people with current or previous financial issues or not repaid a debt then i shudder to think how low our membership base would be.
i would not write off his debt but rather try to leverage his clear love of the blues and try to eventually get it back.
The guy OWES us money!! He's been a bad debt!! He received goods and services and wasn't able to pay!! He's a bafoon with serious history who is openly welcomed by us. Name of the swimming pool at the club???
How many undesirables barrack for Collingwood, probably pay dollars to the coffers but Eddie is smart enough to totally disassociate the club with them. Toby Mitchell lasted 30 secs with an association with Richmond. It's all about perception, culture and what you stand for as a club, the type of person you want mixing with and access to your young, sometimes vulnerable players.
Read his history and his current situation. Would you want a guy like that sitting on the end of your kid's bed reading nighttime stories??
Last year, we were the laughing stock of the league and other supporters after the Malthouse / Collingwood game, both because of the result of the game and the colorful character we had in the box. Would any other club allow one of this town's colorful characters in the box, even if they wanted to pay big bucks?? Don't think so!!
Arguably our greatest player ever fell foul of the law (twice) over financial issues.....so where do we draw a line? ???
Lol.
He owes us 150k remaining from a 1 million dollar donation.
That means he's given us 750k.
That's more money than I'll pay in membership over my lifetime.
I think perspective is being missed here.
Arguably our greatest player ever fell foul of the law (twice) over financial issues.....so where do we draw a line? ???
There's a great difference between the two situations. For a start, Edelsten was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice and is actively conniving to avoid paying his debts.
Edelsten is regularly in the media for the wrong reasons including the latest episode where his debt to CFC was raised. That's not good publicity for the club.
There's a great difference between the two situations. For a start, Edelsten was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice and is actively conniving to avoid paying his debts.
Edelsten is regularly in the media for the wrong reasons including the latest episode where his debt to CFC was raised. That's not good publicity for the club.
again show me any factual evidence he has been a negative impact on our commercial operations. i again point out he has no formal involvement with the club other than being a supporter/contributor. the club does not put out press releases re the doc. so which part of the constitution specifically will allow the club to remove him as a member? its very easy to say piss him off /get rid of him but how do u propose it gets done that is legal?
Arguably our greatest player ever fell foul of the law (twice) over financial issues.....so where do we draw a line? ???
exactly! if memory serves me right there was a fair amount of rumour that some time may have been served or was it a bro that did it for him.
The guy OWES us money!! He's been a bad debt!! He received goods and services and wasn't able to pay!! He's a bafoon with serious history who is openly welcomed by us. Name of the swimming pool at the club???
How many undesirables barrack for Collingwood, probably pay dollars to the coffers but Eddie is smart enough to totally disassociate the club with them. Toby Mitchell lasted 30 secs with an association with Richmond. It's all about perception, culture and what you stand for as a club, the type of person you want mixing with and access to your young, sometimes vulnerable players.
Read his history and his current situation. Would you want a guy like that sitting on the end of your kid's bed reading nighttime stories??
Last year, we were the laughing stock of the league and other supporters after the Malthouse / Collingwood game, both because of the result of the game and the colorful character we had in the box. Would any other club allow one of this town's colorful characters in the box, even if they wanted to pay big bucks?? Don't think so!!
he has given at least 850k i reckon he can have pool named after him.
seriously would u let any stranger be with ur kids in their bedrooms - if yes then mate hand yourself in as being an unfit parent? maybe its okay if they dont have a debt/ colorful personality/ some police record - maybe a priest would fit ur moral compass a little better and would be allowed to be with ur kids in their bedroom?
i call b/s on this. we were laughed at because of the crape performance our team put in on such a huge historical occasion - maybe u had a couple of maggies near u that stirred u up - if so then harden up.
clubs in our situation need the cash so they will do what it takes that's the fact - if u dont like that contribute more cash into the club so they can say sorry doc were financial.
again show me any factual evidence he has been a negative impact on our commercial operations. i again point out he has no formal involvement with the club other than being a supporter/contributor. the club does not put out press releases re the doc. so which part of the constitution specifically will allow the club to remove him as a member? its very easy to say piss him off /get rid of him but how do u propose it gets done that is legal?
Who said anything about removing him as a member?
Anything that reflects badly on the club has a negative impact. That's why Richmond stopped King bringing Mitchell into the rooms. I really can't see much difference.
exactly! if memory serves me right there was a fair amount of rumour that some time may have been served or was it a bro that did it for him.
Fair amount of rumour?
John Nicholls served 3 months for embezzlement and larceny in 1960. He was also fined for fraud in 1980 after his Carlton career had finished. Both are fairly minor matters in comparison to 12 months for attempting to pervert the course of justice and engaging a hitman to intimidate a witness.
Who said anything about removing him as a member?
Anything that reflects badly on the club has a negative impact. That's why Richmond stopped King bringing Mitchell into the rooms. I really can't see much difference.
so when u mentioned "piss him off" did u really mean to just upset him? so how exactly will u piss him off. big difference between mitchell being invited by one of the players without club permission and our fund raiser being a spot in the box. perhaps the tiggies would have a different opinion if tm has given 850K+.
badly in ur eyes - however u still cant demonstrate a factual negative impact other than opinion. Have we seen any sponsor statements - nope. anything from either state or commonwealth government - nope. what about any law enforcement organizations - ahh again no. I would be with ya in heartbeat if any occurred and it was going to materially harm the club however it hasn't so lets not discriminate because u dont like someone who doesn't confirm to societal norms.
Fair amount of rumour?
John Nicholls served 3 months for embezzlement and larceny in 1960. He was also fined for fraud in 1980 after his Carlton career had finished. Both are fairly minor matters in comparison to 12 months for attempting to pervert the course of justice and engaging a hitman to intimidate a witness.
9 months aint a lot of difference and the first may have been positively influenced by community standing.
John Ralph: “I know Edelsten pays good money to the Blues but it is a horrible look for the "old-school" Blues that he is in the box tonight.”
Terry Wallace: “Who at Carlton F.C thought it was a good idea to have Doc Edelsten in every Malthouse shot has no feel for the game.”
Titus O’Reilly: “Geoffrey Edelsten in the coaches (sic) box is a living symbol of all that is currently wrong with Carlton.”
Craig Little: “It’s little more than a year since Malthouse celebrated his games record as coach under lights at the MCG. But for Carlton it was about as black as a night ever gets. Blacker still when the Channel Seven cameras revealed a moribund Geoffrey Edelsten in the coach’s box – the personal embodiment of a club living at the hole of the bottom of itself.”
I hope we've moved on and the club and its supporters are never again embarrassed by Edelsten's presence in the coach's box or any other position of prominence.
I hope we've moved on and the club and its supporters are never again embarrassed by Edelsten's presence in the coach's box or any other position of prominence.
Agree 100%. He's just not a good look!
Agree 100%. He's just not a good look!
X 3. The topic evokes an interesting reaction from Harrisendblue.
I hope we've moved on and the club and its supporters are never again embarrassed by Edelsten's presence in the coach's box or any other position of prominence.
The irony is not lost on me that the "all wise and powerful media" thought is was moribund to have Edelsten in the coaches box but OK for Malthouse to be there!
I think we can dismiss their judgement as just a tad off! :D
The irony is not lost on me that the "all wise and powerful media" thought is was moribund to have Edelsten in the coaches box but OK for Malthouse to be there!
I think we can dismiss their judgement as just a tad off! :D
That's a whole different story LP - and we were celebrating Malthouse's 10,000th game ;)
I hope we've moved on and the club and its supporters are never again embarrassed by Edelsten's presence in the coach's box or any other position of prominence.
ur quoting as ur reference the words of wisdom provided by ralph (richmond supporter who learnt his media from KB and writes things to rile opposition supporters), T wallace ( ask the bullies what they think of his ethics), titus orielly (a comedian) and c little ( third rater who cant get a job with a mainstream media outlet).
uve again provided absolutely no evidence of any negative financial impact created by the good doctor.
though i am concerned that ur so easily embarrassed and dont have the starch to support one of our own. i will give u a tip - when the baggers start winning the media we receive will improve dramatically and u will have real ammunition to stare down these self appointed arbitrators of what is socially acceptable and who are clearly rattling u.
That's a whole different story LP - and we were celebrating Malthouse's 10,000th game ;)
No it's not a different story, it's part of the ongoing media issues Carlton have. The media chose a perspective to run with and focussed on Edelsten's relationship to Carlton when the real issue for Carlton was Malthouse and Buttifant.
They are glory hunters criticising a glory hunter!
I undertsand the right to sit in the coaches box was auctioned off at a fund-raiser for charity. Edelsten paid he deserved the right to sit there.
I find it naive for you are blaming Edelsten's appearance "on camera" as a failing of the club, it 's like you are arguing that the choice of camera angle was an accident resulting from poor management by Carlton! Like it mattered where we sat Edelsten, Ch.7 (aka CheatsFC TV) would have chosen the appropriate camera, that was the shot they wanted!
ur quoting as ur reference the words of wisdom provided by ralph (richmond supporter who learnt his media from KB and writes things to rile opposition supporters), T wallace ( ask the bullies what they think of his ethics), titus orielly (a comedian) and c little ( third rater who cant get a job with a mainstream media outlet).
uve again provided absolutely no evidence of any negative financial impact created by the good doctor.
though i am concerned that ur so easily embarrassed and dont have the starch to support one of our own. i will give u a tip - when the baggers start winning the media we receive will improve dramatically and u will have real ammunition to stare down these self appointed arbitrators of what is socially acceptable and who are clearly rattling u.
And I will give you a tip HEB. I really don't give that much of a fig wrt to what media types think about Edelesten. I, personally, do not want him as a public face of my footy club and being seen in the coaches box on tv is pretty public - too bl00dy public. If you think it's OK for him to be there on payment of a few $s then that's up to you, we see it differently. I don't like it as, in view of his past antics, it lowers the tone of my club. That is my personal view but I don't think you'll see it happen again and I will be mightily disappointed if it does.
And I will give you a tip HEB. I really don't give that much of a fig wrt to what media types think about Edelesten. I, personally, do not want him as a public face of my footy club and being seen in the coaches box on tv is pretty public - too bl00dy public. If you think it's OK for him to be there on payment of a few $s then that's up to you, we see it differently. I don't like it as, in view of his past antics, it lowers the tone of my club. That is my personal view but I don't think you'll see it happen again and I will be mightily disappointed if it does.
well im glad to hear the media views on edlestein dont interest u on that we agree. were our views differ is that the doc is not the public face of our club and correct me if im wrong but never has been. clearly for me the dollars are important because its a millstone that is curtailing our development, so to that end, anyone who contributes significant amounts i will respect even if i dont personally like their methods or views. Being in a club requires embracing different types which is what the doc is.
well im glad to hear the media views on edlestein dont interest u on that we agree. were our views differ is that the doc is not the public face of our club and correct me if im wrong but never has been. clearly for me the dollars are important because its a millstone that is curtailing our development, so to that end, anyone who contributes significant amounts i will respect even if i dont personally like their methods or views. Being in a club requires embracing different types which is what the doc is.
So if the Comancheros decided to kick in mega dollars and have their president or sergeant at arms sit in the box with Bolts, you'd be ok this?
well im glad to hear the media views on edlestein dont interest u on that we agree. were our views differ is that the doc is not the public face of our club and correct me if im wrong but never has been. clearly for me the dollars are important because its a millstone that is curtailing our development, so to that end, anyone who contributes significant amounts i will respect even if i dont personally like their methods or views. Being in a club requires embracing different types which is what the doc is.
If the doc is sitting in our coaches box on live national tv, right behind our senior coach, then I would suggest that he is a public face of the club. As far as "embracing different types" I don't have a problem with that in principle as long as they enhance the club or at minimum do not detract from it. I personally firmly believe that we must exercise care as to how much and from whom we accept money and, most importantly, what they might be asking in return. I would hate to think we are prepared to just sell ourselves and our brand to anyone offering a bag of gold without careful regard as to how beneficial in overall terms, not just financial, that may be for us.
I don't really give a fat rat's clacker what the media or other supporters think; Edelsten is an unsavoury character and shouldn't be seen as a face of the club.
And I will give you a tip HEB. I really don't give that much of a fig wrt to what media types think about Edelesten. I, personally, do not want him as a public face of my footy club and being seen in the coaches box on tv is pretty public - too bl00dy public. If you think it's OK for him to be there on payment of a few $s then that's up to you, we see it differently. I don't like it as, in view of his past antics, it lowers the tone of my club. That is my personal view but I don't think you'll see it happen again and I will be mightily disappointed if it does.
Cover the costs of moving him out of the box then, it's just a few dollars!
So if the Comancheros decided to kick in mega dollars and have their president or sergeant at arms sit in the box with Bolts, you'd be ok this?
clearly chalk and cheese comparisons. the comancheroes or any other criminal organization would not be suitable. nor would anyone who has committed a heinous crime which is something i have said repeatedly before. a better example is john dorman elliott - would i be comfortable if contributes a bucket load of cash to sit in the box for one game - no issue and would respect that even thought i personally abhor what he stands for and represents.
Cover the costs of moving him out of the box then, it's just a few dollars!
I think he either won a raffle or paid something like $30K to get his ass in there. Are you telling me that the club is that desperate for a chickencrap $30K? If that's true, we're in a lot more trouble than I thought. :o
If the doc is sitting in our coaches box on live national tv, right behind our senior coach, then I would suggest that he is a public face of the club. As far as "embracing different types" I don't have a problem with that in principle as long as they enhance the club or at minimum do not detract from it. I personally firmly believe that we must exercise care as to how much and from whom we accept money and, most importantly, what they might be asking in return. I would hate to think we are prepared to just sell ourselves and our brand to anyone offering a bag of gold without careful regard as to how beneficial in overall terms, not just financial, that may be for us.
he was in the box for one game wasn't he? no matter how many number of shots ch7 showed during that game it was one off and clearly he could not be considered the public face of the club.
the club obviously must conduct sufficient due diligence before entering any commercial arrangement/accept donation to ensure it does not materially create negative issues. im confident the club does that however the doc winning an auction for a one off footy experience does not provide him with ongoing benefits so for mine no issues there at all.
dont disagree at all with this and if its proven the doc or anyone for that matter has caused the club material and measurable harm to us then i would be the first to be against their ongoing involvement.
I think he either won a raffle or paid something like $30K to get his ass in there. Are you telling me that the club is that desperate for a chickencrap $30K? If that's true, we're in a lot more trouble than I thought. :o
Buy out his bid then, it's only Chicken Crap!
While you are at it, explain to all the other coterie members that the various fund raising auctions and donations might not be honoured. There is a few hundred of them, all donating chicken crap apparently! :o
he was in the box for one game wasn't he? no matter how many number of shots ch7 showed during that game it was one off and clearly he could not be considered the public face of the club.
the club obviously must conduct sufficient due diligence before entering any commercial arrangement/accept donation to ensure it does not materially create negative issues. im confident the club does that however the doc winning an auction for a one off footy experience does not provide him with ongoing benefits so for mine no issues there at all.
dont disagree at all with this and if its proven the doc or anyone for that matter has caused the club material and measurable harm to us then i would be the first to be against their ongoing involvement.
It would be more prudent for the club to provide all prizes/rewards for donors (especially ones with a dodgy record) that are outside of the mass media or general public view. The coaches box was a big gaffe IMO and I don't think we'll be seeing a repeat of that one.
It would be more prudent for the club to provide all prizes/rewards for donors (especially ones with a dodgy record) that are outside of the mass media or general public view. The coaches box was a big gaffe IMO and I don't think we'll be seeing a repeat of that one.
The media(Ch.7 CheatsFC TV) chose to broadcast Edelsten's image, there have been many such prizes/auctions and none of them were highlighted by the media before or since.
Buy out his bid then, it's only Chicken Crap!
While you are at it, explain to all the other coterie members that the various fund raising auctions and donations might not be honoured. There is a few hundred of them, all donating chicken crap apparently! :o
Planning ahead and thinking through the potential implications of prizes before you offer them may be a bit more business like? Surely your conspiracy theory about the media would be enough of a deterrent not to give them a free shot on national tv? $30K is chicken crap when stacked up against the good name and dignity of that organisation known as The Carlton Football Club. Seeing him sitting in the box says "The must be effin' desperate!"
We'll have to agree to differ.
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!
Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.
If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supporters to do so with you!
I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!
At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!
Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.
If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supports to do so with you!
I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!
At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!
I'm complaining about having people in the coaches box who shouldn't be there IMO. I'd be surprised if we see him there again, lesson learned. Also, how I choose to donate my money is feck all to do with you.
Whatever Cookie, sorry but your begging for change is just words without action!
What will you do when they put the cameras on him in the grandstand, or in the vicinity of the ground, or with his Carlton scarf on?
Perhaps we can take your stance to the Nth degree and start filtering supporters by other things like appearance or wealth, you know because all terrorists are from poor countries and look the same. Should we get advice from Pauline about who is a good non-controversial Carlton supporter?
Whatever Cookie, it all just words without action!
So, business as usual on here then? :D ;)
What will you do when they put the cameras on him in the grandstand, or in the vicinity of the ground, or with his Carlton scarf on?
.....or arriving at the Brownlow with his latest bimbo on his arm on a Carlton provided ticket!!!
Everybody associates him with Carlton, so when he and his 'fiancée' arrived at Tommy Hafey's funeral with his partner most inappropriately dressed (purely, purely for shock value and publicity at a guy's funeral!!!) at least she had clothes on, unlike her episode down Swanston Street.
Re the coaches box....almost every second week 'guests' are in the coaches box, but not placed directly behind the head coach! Bad move Blues!!
Be assured clubs have rejected donations at various times as it has been acknowledge that 'the gift' may become a compromised bartering tool in the future.
Stand by folks, it's Cup carnival time, expect another engagement announcement!
(Name another such 'colorful character' associated with and profiled by, any other league club??)
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!
Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.
If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supporters to do so with you!
I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!
At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!
LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...
(Name another such 'colorful character' associated with and profiled by, any other league club??)
This guy ;D
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/1/a/b/a/2/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1ab7m.png/1296489601000.jpg)
LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...
Spot on EB! That is so true and is tragic. It is one of the great challenges that CFC faces on the road back but I sense a change in the air now.
I do understand folk's concerns....The Doc in the box was a "FMD what are they thinking moment" for me also.
But I actually have no problem with him as a supporter and member....and LP's right.... wherever he sits on the ground he's more than likely to pop up on the telly especially if he's escorting his current "special lady".
He's different...a bit dodgy in some respects, but not someone who elicits anger from me.
We do have that elitist element and history and maybe that doesn't sit well with modern thinking but that's something that will evolve as the years pass.
I reckon the presence of the Doc at the club is really low on our list of concerns.
We may as well give it away if we can't have a bloke in the coaches box.
This wouldn't have rated a mention had we won that day.
We may as well give it away if we can't have a bloke in the coaches box.
This wouldn't have rated a mention had we won that day.
From memory I think we went a bit ballistic in the match day thread. ;)
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2052.0
From page 4 on :D...maybe not ballistic but rated a mention.
Well Lods, a bit of positive reinforcement going on there based on who was posting back then and who is posting now!
The reason we lost was obviously Edelsten! ::)
From memory I think we went a bit ballistic in the match day thread. ;)
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2052.0
From page 4 on :D...maybe not ballistic but rated a mention.
When you have one of the heavier losses for the year, the colours of people's underwear start being an issue.
We are an emotional lot, which shows we care, but I've even seen someone get frustrated at the size of Eddie Betts shorts when we were being beaten.
LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...
people also make excuses when things arnt going well. not being or ever likely to be a corporate member i dont expect he same level of treatment that corporates receive. during my many years of membership i have never felt the clubs disdain of my involvement - but then i knew exactly what i was buying and did not expect more. to many are dishonest and will make up a reason for not supporting without honestly saying they are fair weather supporters or tightarses.
Well Lods, a bit of positive reinforcement going on there based on who was posting back then and who is posting now!
The reason we lost was obviously Edelsten! ::)
clearly it was the docs fault the side was rubbish. hey maybe part of the prize allowed him to make a couple of changes - perhaps the prudes have a point - nah just kidding. go the doc go blues!
And the excuses and rationalisations come rolling in................ ::)
Hey, we're open for business - we take money from anybody - we aren't proud or squeamish.
Cannot a Carlton supporter just be a Carlton supporter regardless, must we judge their value as a supporter on the rest of their non-Carlton life? If we must, then we may as well throw out half our members! Terrorists, dole bludgers, drug addicts, racists, thiefs, embezzlers, anarchists, liberals, socialists, lawyers, corporate psychopaths, car or vacuum salesmen, bikies, priests, teachers, tradies and politicians. According to the media they are all generally no good!
It would be truly ironic to turn the social media blowtorch on the likes of Ralph or Craig! They are high enough profile to have many enemies with plenty of skeletons those enemies can dig up!
As for the treatment of Edelsten, I don't want our club to be two faced, I've seen it before in the treatment of Jack Elliott. Too many were happy to be there slapping him on the back and shaking his hand when he shouted the bar after a victory, only to stab him in the back when we lost. We are not a soccer club, that behaviour can stay in the world game!
We own more pokie machines than anyone else yet we're to say no to Geoff Edelstein's money?
Pokie machines destroy lives - Geoff marries strippers. Can't see the debate here.
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We own more pokie machines than anyone else yet we're to say no to Geoff Edelstein's money?
Pokie machines destroy lives - Geoff marries strippers. Can't see the debate here.
:D
Just illustrates his impeccable judgement and identifies the anatomical centre of his thinking abilities!
If it wasn't for business men who were a bit dodgy and free with their sexual favours we may not still be operating. ;)
I'm probably the most conservative bloke on the site (not necessarily in politics though!) but the Doc is well down on my list of things that we need to address.
Footy clubs are "colourful" places, they attract "colourful" identities, always have always will.
It's part of the show.
We're not a church (actually skip that ...bad example ::))
Edelstein isn't the face of the club any more than a Dave Hughes but there is an association...and it's not going away.