Apparently a minutes silence for the victims of the London terror attack wasn't part of their culture.
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8603472-3x2-700x467.jpg)
Except it was last year when they honoured the memory of members of the Brazilian soccer team Chapecoense who were killed in a plane crash.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5ef662d5278ff9daf483575091c1e1be?width=650)
Disgraceful!
They shouldn't be allowed back into the country.
Disgraceful!
They shouldn't be allowed back into the country.
Yeah but then we would have to forfeit the game and the points to qualify for the World Cup.
Worst part was I bought their excuse this morning until it was exposed.
What else can be expected from a feudal state that is one of the major sponsors of radical jihadis?
Just to clarify...from the video I've just watched they all seem to be standing still (there is one bit of movement) just not arms linked,
They're just spread out.
Disgraceful!
They shouldn't be allowed back into the country.
x2...
Just to clarify...from the video I've just watched they all seem to be standing still (there is one bit of movement) just not arms linked,
They're just spread out.
Their captain did up his shoe laces.
Just to clarify...from the video I've just watched they all seem to be standing still (there is one bit of movement) just not arms linked,
They're just spread out.
I thought the same thing when I watched the video, in fact I thought they showed the Saudi benched locked shoulder to shoulder in silence as well.
I would like to know for sure if this is the case or if Australia is jumping the gun here.
If they have not honored the moment of silence it is extremely disrespectful, but they don't have an obligation either (don't jump the gun here.. I do find it disgusting, bad sportsmanship etc) to acknowledge that minute, in the same way that teams can turn their back on the Haka or that James McClean (Irish footballer) refuses to wear a poppy on his football shirt on Remembrance Day or turned away from the Cross of St George when "God Save The Queen" was played at the start of a match, which seen even MPs calling for him to be kicked out of English Football.
Football nations who sign up to FIFA cannot allow politics to interfere with football or they get banned from FIFA. So IF Australian politicians did kick Saudi out... Australia would receive a ban from FIFA.
I am disgusted on a personal level if they have not shown respect, I would absolutely hate for Australia to go to Saudi or any other country and not respect a tragedy to their citizens or in fact just not respect their culture at all, but... you can't kick a group of players out of the country for not respecting what is important. You can admonish, you can lose all respect for them, but calls to have them kicked out are ridiculous.
Anyway I hope it is wrong, I hope that people are jumping up all over the place with wrong information, from the angles I seen that is possible, but then perhaps I am just being delusional because I don't want to believe that 11 international sportsmen would be as insensitive as that.
Their captain did up his shoe laces.
What did the others do?
The team spread out to various parts of the field, with captain Osama Hawsawi appearing to call for them to stand still.
But, once the period of silence commenced, Hawsawi was apparently the only Saudi player not standing still.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/football/saudi-arabia-players-reaction-to-minutes-silence-before-socceroos-world-cup-qualifier-labelled-a-disgrace/ar-BBCk2e1?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout
In fact that might have been our bench I think.
So out of touch I don't know most of the Socceroos squad these days, but looks like Aussie symbol on jacket.
I'm not defending them because they should have taken the standard formation for a mark of respect...but it seems a little strange that Saudi's would have any sympathy for the London attackers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but they belong to different sections of the Muslim faith and are very much opposed to the actions of ISIS.
No Saudi is a mostly Sunni country. Iran is the major Shia power in the region, hence Iran and Saudi are traditionally rivals.
Not only that but Saudi has traditionally been the home of the hard core Wahhabism or Salafism which is the ideology of ISIS
No Saudi is a mostly Sunni country. Iran is the major Shia power in the region, hence Iran and Saudi are traditionally rivals.
Not only that but Saudi has traditionally been the home of the hard core Wahhabism or Salafism which is the ideology of ISIS
Yep
Just checked that and that's correct.
;)
I was under the impression that the last thing the ruling family in Saudi Arabia would want would be a strong ISIS presence in their country though that may not extend to the general population.
I think it is reasonable to assume that the Kingdom of Saudi generally sees ISIS as a threat even to their way of life, however within the ruling establishment and absolutely within groups of powerful people within the country it is also safe to assume that ISIS has very strong support (including very substantial funding) for it's operations.
I am fairly sure ISIS has made attacks in Saudi itself.
All that Saudi care about is money and oil, religion is just a smokescreen for controlling the masses! If you go to the underground bars in those countries they are full of Arab royals and bureaucrats sinking piss and dry humping hookers.
I wonder what Donald will tweet about this?
If not for the UK elections this probably should have been worldwide front page news by this evening.
The western media can be pretty gutless on these issues, the Saudi's control a large chunk of media capital and the branches don't want their office bombed and foreign staff kidnapped or jailed. "Ils ne sont pas Charlie"
With Saudi having apologised and with them also having let FFA know before the game they would not be observing, then yes it appears this is an accurate representation and it puts them in a very poor light.
But they will not care, what Australia thinks of them is far less relevant than what they are thought of at home and they simply just will not care about any of our protests.
Disgusting behavior, but as I said early, not grounds for kicking them out of the country, not grounds for kicking them out of the competition, just grounds for us to be disgusted.
The only strange part is that Saudi is trying to portray itself as more moderate (well in the face of what is happening in Iraq/Syria etc) and as an ally of the US against terrorism, but this doesn't seem to follow that script at all.
Good to see the Saudis are helping to challenge the simplistic notion that Sunnis are good and Shiites are bad. That notion is easy to accept as the Ayatollahs tend to wear black and the Saudis wear white. That makes it easy to figure out who are the good guys and who are the villains ...
But things aren't that simple. ISIS and al Qaeda are Sunni groups and the Saudis are devoted to Wahhabism. The Saudis are brutal. We are revolted by ISIS beheading westerners, yet beheading is the national sport in Saudi Arabia. Islamic fundamentalists are funded from within the Kingdom and the families of victims of 9/11 want to sue over Saudi Arabian support for the attack.
That's not to say the Iranians are saints. They fund terrorists too. But let's not be sucked in by the US painting this as a black and white situation. Trump going all in on Team Wahhabi shows he lacks any subtlety when it comes to geopolitics.
Ive been thinking about the broader scheme of all this stuff.
According to this meaty article:
http://dieoff.org/page140.htm
We are generally finding less new oil than we are using as of 2010. What does this mean for us moving forward?? Generally, power shift. The arab nations have enjoyed the influence and power that comes with owning the resources in the middle east, and its starting to dwindle. This might be what the birth of terrorism is all about. I tend to look at state sponsored terrorism more skeptically than most.
I have yet to meet anyone that takes action for no good reason. The motivation of gains are generally driven by the same constants over time. Fiscal/Power. Everything else is a smokescreen. This isnt about Religion IMHO. The oil reserves are depleting at a faster rate than they are filling, and we are starting to look at non traditional methods of getting it in places where it was much more difficult to get than ever before.
That tells me everything we need to know about where it is going. The emergence of Tesla is also not a coincidence. Those cars show that powered vehicles are the way forward.
What does this mean?? Get ready for much more instability and war, returning to what it has always been about. Money and Power shift. The hard part to figure out is who has the power, but consider this for a moment. USA and the Saudis are effectively the major players in terms of power in the middle east. To give everyone an idea of just how deep and historically powerful, look at the creation of the modern Israeli state. They have their way of establishing power. I have no doubt that this has as much to do with "regime change" as anything else. I wasnt surprised to find Iraq once was a major player in the oil world. no longer. I wonder why...
Save that when the oil dries up or is displaced by renewables, power in the Middle East becomes irrelevant. African countries which don't have oil are fairly irrelevant geopolitically. Imagine the Middle East in 10 or 20 years when oil revenue has collapsed.
That's why Obama was trying to pivot to Asia as that's going to be the scene of the US v China battle for supremacy.
The Syrian conflagration, however, unleashed a flood of refugees on Europe and that highlighted another problem that the Middle East poses to the West. The flood of refugees will intensify as oil revenue collapses. Saudi Arabia is able to keep its citizens fairly happy as oil revenue provides an economic safety net for the people. What happens when that disappears? Will it result in internal fighting over smaller resources or will it intensify hostility towards the West?
Remember also that Russia depends on oil and gas exports too. If the market for oil collapses, economic hardship might lead to Russian aggression and expansionism.
Saudi companies are behind the purchase and shelving of many alternative fuel/energy technologies, the smart Saudi's are all set to exhaust the oil then release the viable replacements.
They have bought up large long term mining leases in WA, that hold minerals and metals required for some of these new technologies and they are not required to immediately develop them.
It's almost as bad as Victoria apparently/allegedly selling it's resource soul to Gina Rinehart!
Deep pockets, very very hard to compete with them!