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Re: Be strong, say NO

Reply #60 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
If the doc is sitting in our coaches box on live national tv, right behind our senior coach,  then I would suggest that he is a public face of the club. As far as "embracing different types" I don't have a problem with that in principle as long as they enhance the club or at minimum do not detract from it.  I personally firmly believe that we must exercise care as to how much and from whom we  accept money and, most importantly, what they might be asking in return. I would hate to think we are prepared to just sell ourselves and our brand to anyone offering a bag of gold without careful regard as to how beneficial in overall terms, not just financial, that may be for us.

he was in the box for one game wasn't he? no matter how many number of shots ch7 showed during that game it was one off and clearly he could not be considered the public face of the club.

the club obviously must conduct sufficient due diligence before entering any commercial arrangement/accept donation to ensure it does not materially create negative issues. im confident the club does that however the doc winning an auction for a one off footy experience does not provide him with ongoing benefits so for mine no issues there at all.

dont disagree at all with this and if its proven the doc or anyone for that matter has caused the club material and measurable harm to us then i would be the first to be against their ongoing involvement.

Re: Be strong, say NO

Reply #61 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
I think he either won a raffle or paid something like $30K to get his ass in there. Are you telling me that the club is that desperate for a chickencrap $30K? If that's true, we're in a lot more trouble than I thought.  :o

Buy out his bid then, it's only Chicken Crap!

While you are at it, explain to all the other coterie members that the various fund raising auctions and donations might not be honoured. There is a few hundred of them, all donating chicken crap apparently! :o

The Force Awakens!

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Reply #62 –
Quote from: harrisendblue on
he was in the box for one game wasn't he? no matter how many number of shots ch7 showed during that game it was one off and clearly he could not be considered the public face of the club.

the club obviously must conduct sufficient due diligence before entering any commercial arrangement/accept donation to ensure it does not materially create negative issues. im confident the club does that however the doc winning an auction for a one off footy experience does not provide him with ongoing benefits so for mine no issues there at all.

dont disagree at all with this and if its proven the doc or anyone for that matter has caused the club material and measurable harm to us then i would be the first to be against their ongoing involvement.

It would be more prudent for the club to provide all prizes/rewards for donors (especially ones with a dodgy record) that are outside of the mass media or general public view. The coaches box was a big gaffe IMO and I don't think we'll be seeing a repeat of that one.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #63 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
It would be more prudent for the club to provide all prizes/rewards for donors (especially ones with a dodgy record) that are outside of the mass media or general public view. The coaches box was a big gaffe IMO and I don't think we'll be seeing a repeat of that one.

The media(Ch.7 CheatsFC TV) chose to broadcast Edelsten's image, there have been many such prizes/auctions and none of them were highlighted by the media before or since.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: LP on
Buy out his bid then, it's only Chicken Crap!

While you are at it, explain to all the other coterie members that the various fund raising auctions and donations might not be honoured. There is a few hundred of them, all donating chicken crap apparently! :o

Planning ahead and thinking through the potential implications of prizes before you offer them may be a bit more business like? Surely your conspiracy theory about the media would be enough of a deterrent not to give them a free shot on national tv? $30K is chicken crap when stacked up against the  good name and dignity of that organisation known as The Carlton Football Club. Seeing him sitting in the box says "The must be effin' desperate!"

We'll have to agree to differ.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #65 –
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!

Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.

If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supporters to do so with you!

I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!

At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #66 –
Quote from: LP on
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!

Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.

If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supports to do so with you!

I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!

At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!

I'm complaining about having people in the coaches box who shouldn't be there IMO. I'd be surprised if we see him there again, lesson learned. Also, how I choose to donate my money is feck all to do with you.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #67 –
Whatever Cookie, sorry but your begging for change is just words without action!

What will you do when they put the cameras on him in the grandstand, or in the vicinity of the ground, or with his Carlton scarf on?

Perhaps we can take your stance to the Nth degree and start filtering supporters by other things like appearance or wealth, you know because all terrorists are from poor countries and look the same. Should we get advice from Pauline about who is a good non-controversial Carlton supporter?
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: LP on

What will you do when they put the cameras on him in the grandstand, or in the vicinity of the ground, or with his Carlton scarf on?


.....or arriving at the Brownlow with his latest bimbo on his arm on a Carlton provided ticket!!!

 Everybody associates him with Carlton, so when he and his 'fiancée' arrived at Tommy Hafey's funeral with his partner most inappropriately dressed (purely, purely for shock value and publicity at a guy's funeral!!!) at least she had clothes on, unlike her episode down Swanston Street.

Re the coaches box....almost every second week 'guests' are in the coaches box, but not placed directly behind the head coach!  Bad move Blues!!

Be assured clubs have rejected donations at various times as it has been acknowledge that 'the gift' may become a compromised bartering tool in the future.

Stand by folks, it's Cup carnival time, expect another engagement announcement!

(Name another such 'colorful character' associated with and profiled by, any other league club??)

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Reply #70 –
Quote from: LP on
The solution to the sort of issues you are complaining about is to open your wallet!

Like it or not, Edelsten donates heavily to Carlton, as does Bruce Mathieson, Jennie Pratt and The Judge.

If you don't like your club being seen to be dependant on them, open your wallet and convince a large number of supporters to do so with you!

I think Carlton which has one of the AFL's richest benefactor bases also has some of the AFLs cheapest supporters! The Filth's mainstream supporters invest in their club far more heavily, as do the CheatsFC crew!

At Carlton we've become too comfortable and too accustomed to people like Edelsten picking up the bill!

LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...

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Reply #72 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...

Spot on EB! That is so true and is tragic. It is one of the great challenges that CFC faces on the road back but I sense a change in the air now.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #73 –
 I do understand folk's concerns....The Doc in the box was a "FMD what are they thinking moment" for me also.
But I actually have no problem with him as a supporter and member....and LP's right.... wherever he sits on the ground he's more than  likely to pop up on the telly especially if he's escorting his current "special lady".
He's different...a bit dodgy in some respects, but not someone who elicits anger from me.

We do have that elitist element and history and maybe that doesn't sit well with modern thinking but that's something that will evolve as the years pass.

I reckon the presence of the Doc at the club is really low on our list of concerns.

Re: Be strong, say NO

Reply #74 –
We may as well give it away if we can't have a bloke in the coaches box.

This wouldn't have rated a mention had we won that day.
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