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Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.

Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.

Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.

You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.

Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.

Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.

Only 1 club gets it “right” each year

I’m not sure what to make of that game. Of course you take the win. But again we get a bit roughed up and let them get on top after it. That’s Kind of concerning.

Had a period of really poor skills on show, and I suppose it’s a positive that even with that, we managed to win. But this was a team slated to get beaten easily today, and we just did it.

Not sure where we sit.

Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.

Pagan, really? The guy was the biggest contributor for where we find ourselves today. What he did to this club is unforgivable. The losing mentality we see today is directly attributable to sheer number of floggings we copped under his tutelage.

Hack of the highest order and no amount of turd polishing can brighten the stain that he imposed on this club.

screwing hate the bloke for what he did... C*nt of the highest order...

The less said about Sir craphouse the better, but the rot was forged under the guidance of the hack of all hacks Pagan. Don't piss on my back and re-tell history...

So why bother ?
Do you seriously think you can comprehend any of it from this place ?
Even the key decision makers are oblivious to all the actions, inactions and subsequent repercussions.
Only 1 club gets it “right” each year, everyone else gets it “wrong” by your own definition.
It’s butterfly wings beating in Africa stuff.

I wish you well with this theory but you might be overthinking it a fraction. It's not like Teague took us from 5-7 wins a year and built from there. We were losing almost every game and copping hammerings on a regular basis. Some games we could barely cross halfway. Almost immediately we have become finals contenders. If you redraw the ladder from the point Teague took over we're 8th or 9th I think.

I agree It's not 100% about the senior coach but  Bolts but had no idea what he was doing on any level. I think that's clear.