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Anyone heard about the falling out between Gaz and Billy? Threatens to derail the footy show reports SEN. Its over a deeply personal matter, that can only mean one thing as far as Im concerned.

We can only hope that the footy show is derailed forever, but they will easily find another 2 fools to take part.

I like Billy but Lyon is possibly the biggest wanka to have graced this earth.

We can only hope that the footy show is derailed forever, but they will easily find another 2 fools to take part.

There's a ready and large number to choose from unfortunately.

These blokes have scuppered the reputations of people for a decade, leaving a wake filled with victims of TFS hubris like Fev, Dunstall and Hurley.

It was only a matter of time before they turned on each other, they were confined in a small venue with heads way too large and a room too small! ;)

Surrounded by blokes like Lyon, Brayshaw, Newman and Crawford what hope did a simpleton like Brownless have! They think they are normal, but only because they bask in the toxicity around them and have themselves become toxic! They are the friends you don't need to have, yet they think they are better then you!

Is TFS still going? Isn't exactly a MENSA meeting.

Lyon is stepping down from all media roles while he undergoes treatment for "serious mental health issues".

I'm not a fan but it's always sad to see someone grappling with mental health.  I hope he can get back to good health.

Chemicals and brain function don't mix

CH9 and footy shows in Vic or NSW have been toxic.
You would think management were encouraging the behaviour but surely not. They have always run such a tight ship since Eddie proved to be such an enlightened choice as CEO.
How could it possibly go wrong?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-great-garry-lyon-seeks-treatment-for-mental-health-condition-20160213-gmta5h.html

If he was true to form, Damien Barrett should be all over this, prying away and then telling us 'what The Footy Show can reveal tonight...'

Bet he doesn't but it's ok to put the boots into others. And the mental issues? Lots of things can bring on mental anguish, mental pressure and depression.

Did the mental condition bring on the fallout, or did the fallout bring on the mental condition.

We probably shouldn't speculate

If he was true to form, Damien Barrett should be all over this, prying away and then telling us 'what The Footy Show can reveal tonight...'

Bet he doesn't but it's ok to put the boots into others. And the mental issues? Lots of things can bring on mental anguish, mental pressure and depression.

Did the mental condition bring on the fallout, or did the fallout bring on the mental condition.

We probably shouldn't speculate

You're right . . . but it's hard not to, particularly when it's a member of an organisation that doesn't pay much respect to privacy.

I don't know anyone who watches TFS. Shocking people on it including Lyon. The worst humour.

You're so stupid because... insert statement... repeat.

MMM no different.

Hard to see the relationship between Lyon being stood down due to a "Mental Health Issue", the alleged fallout between Brownless and Lyon on a deeply private matter and the end of the Brownless marriage.

The early reports read like it was Brownless who had problems.

Now Lyon is reported to have been stood down from all his media roles indefinitely.

Why would they report it in such a bundled manner? :o

Hard to see the relationship between Lyon being stood down due to a "Mental Health Issue", the alleged fallout between Brownless and Lyon on a deeply private matter and the end of the Brownless marriage.

The early reports read like it was Brownless who had problems.

Now Lyon is reported to have been stood down from all his media roles indefinitely.

Why would they report it in such a bundled manner? :o

The reports indicate that Lyon stepped down LP, not that he was stood down.

Brownless and his wife split up well over six months ago and Brownless has acknowledged that his 'life in the fast lane' was the cause. 

I think you're right to question whether there's a link between Lyon's condition, the 'deeply private matter' and Brownless's marriage break up.

It will be interesting to see how Ch 9 report on this...

**Double Standards Alert**

It will be interesting to see how Ch 9 report on this...

**Double Standards Alert**

Absolutely!

If Ch 9 remain consistent with their sympathy for mental health victims, we should see Garry Lyon as a Street Talk regular for many months...

The reports indicate that Lyon stepped down LP, not that he was stood down.

Brownless and his wife split up well over six months ago and Brownless has acknowledged that his 'life in the fast lane' was the cause. 

I think you're right to question whether there's a link between Lyon's condition, the 'deeply private matter' and Brownless's marriage break up.

Joining the dots a certain way says Lyons mental condition might be some camouflage for another health issue, been plenty of rumours regarding GL over the years....

Joining the dots a certain way says Lyons mental condition might be some camouflage for another health issue, been plenty of rumours regarding GL over the years....

Stop speculating EB  ;)

It's hard isn't it?

Didn't he write a cartoon book, Eckie McGee

Joining the dots a certain way says Lyons mental condition might be some camouflage for another health issue, been plenty of rumours regarding GL over the years....

Gary 'El Chapo' Lyon?

As soon as it's a 'mental health' issue it becomes shrouded in mystery. If it was a cancer (or other physical issue)it'd be identified immediately.

So now everyone speculates and wonders what a 'serious mental health' issue means. Has he had a psychotic episode? Severe depression bordering on suicide? A personality disorder? These are 'serious mental health' issues. And what does this serious issue have to do with Brownless... and wives?

Is Gary Lyon on suicide watch in a psych ward? The drama of the report would suggest so.

Stop speculating EB  ;)

It's hard isn't it?

DJ...Makes it harder when you know what goes on at CH9 after parties...... :-X.....

If Lyon & Brownless are exiting The Footy Show, then they may as well boot Newman as well and do a complete "reset", that show is in dire need of a make-over.

If Lyon & Brownless are exiting The Footy Show, then they may as well boot Newman as well and do a complete "reset", that show is in dire need of a make-over.

As is the studio audience and viewing public  :)

It could be a great opportunity to create a new show without the schoolboy humour, bigoted rants and over-inflated personalities.

If Lyon & Brownless are exiting The Footy Show, then they may as well boot Newman as well and do a complete "reset", that show is in dire need of a make-over.

Ye Sheikness... the following has nothing to do with your post.

Imagine my surprise, as my stay in NZ draws to a close, when I am walking down one of the trendiest streets in Wellington (Cuba st.) and I see your avatar in a shop window! Yep, the original album cover of Frank Zappa's 'Sheik Yerbouti' or, whatever! There was the album in mint condition for sale!!!!!!

Ye Sheikness... the following has nothing to do with your post.

Imagine my surprise, as my stay in NZ draws to a close, when I am walking down one of the trendiest streets in Wellington (Cuba st.) and I see your avatar in a shop window! Yep, the original album cover of Frank Zappa's 'Sheik Yerbouti' or, whatever! There was the album in mint condition for sale!!!!!!

That would have been both a scary and comforting experience Baggers!  Did you buy the album?

I am 50+ and come from Ballarat, and went to St Alipius. If you are remotely informed you will understand what this means. I really hope that the "mental health issues" is not smoke and mirrors for some bullcrape celebrity crap.
Last year my best mate killed himself, last week another one chose that path. This is no joke boys, good men in that town, and others , are killing themselves in droves and there seems nothing can be done.
Some friends of mine and myself have created a trust to help men with kids at school (in our case St Pats Ballarat) with a mental health illness should they need it (books, uniform, camps, fees, counselling, etc), we have a business breakfast for the 29/7, Mona will MC the gig and Prof Julian Mc Gory (Headspace/Aust of the Year) as key note.
We have buried at least 12 from our year of '81 to suicide, at least 8 from the f#$%ing clergy, the others just couldn't go on, divorce's booze, drugs etc.
I am currently talking to three old boys on the edge, one had the vacuum cleaner's hose attached to the exhaust pipe, he just couldn't turn the car on. There are others, one really high profile identity who is really doing it hard, we are very worried, and everyone knows him.
Bit of advice keep an eye on your mates, 23% of ALL school children have a parent with a mental health diagnosis (how many undiagnosed???) that's a quarter of every classroom in Australia, and it is real my friends, cause I am one of them......

And that worm Pell can't even give the victims the satisfaction of seeing him answer questions in person ...

I'd hope no one is minimising mental health issues.  Rather, most suspect that Lyon doesn't deserve to use that phrase when there are many who deserve our sympathy much more, including you and your former schoolmates. Reactive depression resulting from being caught doing something dishonourable or illegal doesn't compare at all with the situation you've described.  It might lead to suicidal feelings, however, and obviously at that level it needs to be addressed.

I am 50+ and come from Ballarat, and went to St Alipius. If you are remotely informed you will understand what this means. I really hope that the "mental health issues" is not smoke and mirrors for some bullcrape celebrity crap.
Last year my best mate killed himself, last week another one chose that path. This is no joke boys, good men in that town, and others , are killing themselves in droves and there seems nothing can be done.
Some friends of mine and myself have created a trust to help men with kids at school (in our case St Pats Ballarat) with a mental health illness should they need it (books, uniform, camps, fees, counselling, etc), we have a business breakfast for the 29/7, Mona will MC the gig and Prof Julian Mc Gory (Headspace/Aust of the Year) as key note.
We have buried at least 12 from our year of '81 to suicide, at least 8 from the f#$%ing clergy, the others just couldn't go on, divorce's booze, drugs etc.
I am currently talking to three old boys on the edge, one had the vacuum cleaner's hose attached to the exhaust pipe, he just couldn't turn the car on. There are others, one really high profile identity who is really doing it hard, we are very worried, and everyone knows him.
Bit of advice keep an eye on your mates, 23% of ALL school children have a parent with a mental health diagnosis (how many undiagnosed???) that's a quarter of every classroom in Australia, and it is real my friends, cause I am one of them......

I suspect that it was hard for you to share that Hanwell.

You have my admiration and I'm more than happy to help out if I can.

Respect!

I am 50+ and come from Ballarat, and went to St Alipius. If you are remotely informed you will understand what this means. I really hope that the "mental health issues" is not smoke and mirrors for some bullcrape celebrity crap.
Last year my best mate killed himself, last week another one chose that path. This is no joke boys, good men in that town, and others , are killing themselves in droves and there seems nothing can be done.
Some friends of mine and myself have created a trust to help men with kids at school (in our case St Pats Ballarat) with a mental health illness should they need it (books, uniform, camps, fees, counselling, etc), we have a business breakfast for the 29/7, Mona will MC the gig and Prof Julian Mc Gory (Headspace/Aust of the Year) as key note.
We have buried at least 12 from our year of '81 to suicide, at least 8 from the f#$%ing clergy, the others just couldn't go on, divorce's booze, drugs etc.
I am currently talking to three old boys on the edge, one had the vacuum cleaner's hose attached to the exhaust pipe, he just couldn't turn the car on. There are others, one really high profile identity who is really doing it hard, we are very worried, and everyone knows him.
Bit of advice keep an eye on your mates, 23% of ALL school children have a parent with a mental health diagnosis (how many undiagnosed???) that's a quarter of every classroom in Australia, and it is real my friends, cause I am one of them......

Sorry to read what you have been through and continue to struggle with, we had a suicide on my wifes side of the family connected to Aus Sport many years ago, I wont mention any more as its too easy to identify the person but it made us aware very early to look for signs and be on top of any issues our children had and deal with them quickly.
Good luck to you and your friends for the future and hope life improves for you all....

i hope Garry is not using MH as a cover for other nefarious activities. If he does, he deserves the full scorn of the public. If not.....get well soon

Cheers DJC, it was but now I can be open about what it is like, and its horrible. I've lost jobs, its hard to keep employed and life is all about "what you do" not what you are or how did you help....
Next month at the annual St Pat's day lunch in Ballarat I am going to get up in front of 150 people and challenge them to consciously interview someone with a diagnosis, you never know .....
I used to manage volunteers at a community centre, over half (15) were from a mental health background, and thats how it is with volunteers, no one employs them so the give their time to get real experience
Ironically George was once my personal reference, he didn't do any of the peado stuff, but he didn't do anything to stop it either.
Mulkearns and Nangle (Prin of SPC at the time) were the real bad guys
DJC you can help by looking out for your own, just be a set of ears, PM me if there is anything else or specific you might do, we are currently talking to two other schools interested in how we go, maybe thats where you might come in
And thanks Mav  I knew you would have an insight and it would be on the money

Ye Sheikness... the following has nothing to do with your post.

Imagine my surprise, as my stay in NZ draws to a close, when I am walking down one of the trendiest streets in Wellington (Cuba st.) and I see your avatar in a shop window! Yep, the original album cover of Frank Zappa's 'Sheik Yerbouti' or, whatever! There was the album in mint condition for sale!!!!!!

How much did they want for it ??

I'd like it for myself.

By the way, Cuba St is terrific !!  

i hope Garry is not using MH as a cover for other nefarious activities. If he does, he deserves the full scorn of the public. If not.....get well soon

If they are using MH issues as a cover for anything else they deserve to be exposed and shamed. As Hanwell has so bravely revealed the underlying horrors from those exposed to abuse.within the church and it's scholarly extensions often have fatal consequences.

I don't know anyone who watches TFS. Shocking people on it including Lyon. The worst humour.

You're so stupid because... insert statement... repeat.

MMM no different.

I'd say alot of people watch it. If no-one watched it it wouldn't be on. A show doesn't go 22 years without having something. That's both Footy Shows. Think we all know that. Footy Show is always open season for the knockers.

Herald Sun reports Mr Lyon with Mrs Brownless......Mr Lyon left Mrs Lyon and has been checking out his best mate's ex wife.

Ummm.and NOW he's depressed and living alone.

Lyon has done a Carey.

Lyon has done a Carey.

Technically no, sort off. If I read it correctly, Brownless and his wife had split, then along came Lyon to cut the Billys grass.

Technically no, sort off. If I read it correctly, Brownless and his wife had split, then along came Lyon to cut the Billys grass.

Semantics for public consumption.

Either way - no excuses....

Semantics for public consumption.

Either way - no excuses....

Absolutely, just saying'.

Lyon has done a Carey.

x2.....I'm just waiting for Carey, Ricky Nixon etc to come out in support of Lyon..under the guise of mental illness of course.

I dont buy the idea that it was after Brownless and his wife split either.....if i remember right Lyon was always very complimentary of Mrs B and said
Billy was batting out of his league etc.....

I dont buy the idea that it was after Brownless and his wife split either....

At the time Brownless said that he didn't see it coming and that it was a total shock. Could be something in it. The dog act could get worse!!!

At the time Brownless said that he didn't see it coming and that it was a total shock. Could be something in it. The dog act could get worse!!!

Brownless did say that he accepted that his lifestyle was the cause of the marriage failing.

I understand that the two women were BFFs.  If so, and if the alleged liaison did take place, one would have to question the moral values of those involved  ???

How long after a marriage breakup before open season is declared?  :P

Brownless did say that he accepted that his lifestyle was the cause of the marriage failing.

I understand that the two women were BFFs.  If so, and if the alleged liaison did take place, one would have to question the moral values of those involved  ???

How long after a marriage breakup before open season is declared?  :P

Long way from Canterbury to Geelong.....maybe Billy has taken a bullet for the wife saying it was his fault.....I find it hard to believe that there wasnt something going on before the split
and did Mrs B call it quits because she knew GL was going to give her a soft landing.

Moral values???....Carey, Nixon, Rugby players and Dogs...mate given up hope on todays society observing too many moral standards or boundaries...

The circumstances being discussed are not exactly a rarity in society and have been going on since marriage was invented!

Lyon married Melissa Snow, originally from Inverloch, in 1993, and who is the mother of their three boys.

They split in 2006 but reports of reconciliations apparently failed.

He's been a free agent for a while!!!  And starts sniffing around his best mates wife (or maybe ex).  Not the done thing if she's still married or not.  It's obviously been well within with 6 months.  

Going for a mate's ex-wife... nailed on guaranteed way to end a friendship. Lyon does present himself as holier than thou.

Total tip rat obviously.

The circumstances being discussed are not exactly a rarity in society and have been going on since marriage was invented!

I played mixed tennis against a team composed of 2 married couples.  I heard that both couples subsequently split up and they swapped partners!

I played mixed tennis against a team composed of 2 married couples.  I heard that both couples subsequently split up and they swapped partners!

Perhaps a little swinging may have played it's part! ;D

I'm so cynical about that show that it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing has been blown out to increase ratings. Not like they haven't done it before.

Don't crap where you eat.

I played mixed tennis against a team composed of 2 married couples.  I heard that both couples subsequently split up and they swapped partners!

yes love all

There's never a good/appropriate time to Fk your best mates ex wife.
Especially when the ex wife called it off and the husband didnt see it coming and was affected.

Lone wolf?
more like hyena or jackal
Now hides behind MH/depression. Feel sorry for Billy and his kids

I played mixed tennis against a team composed of 2 married couples.  I heard that both couples subsequently split up and they swapped partners!

New balls please?

I played mixed tennis against a team composed of 2 married couples.  I heard that both couples subsequently split up and they swapped partners!

Swap ends?  8)

I'm so cynical about that show that it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing has been blown out to increase ratings. Not like they haven't done it before.

You'd be well justified to consider that as a viable option!

But given the past behaviour of some of the actors in this sorry saga most of the discussed options seem infinitely viable.

Knowing the psychopaths that operate at the high levels of the media I would not be surprised to find that the alleged "Dirty details are true" and that "Ch.9 opportunistically leveraged the pending media storm!"

Friends said while Lyon had been struggling with bouts of depression for a ``long time’’, it had not prompted his relationship with Nicky Brownless.

“They are not blaming his mental illness for anything,” one said.

“The depression has spiralled out of control during this saga — since he’s been caught out.”

But Lyon’s wife Melissa, who was said to have had an amicable separation from the Footy Show star about 18 months ago, was understood to be among those rallying around yesterday.

Is TFS still going? Isn't exactly a MENSA meeting.

This is the most shocking part of this. The footy show is still going... Who knew??

This is the most shocking part of this. The footy show is still going... Who knew??

They need to get someone like Bolton in to do a reset  ;)

Seriously, this is a perfect opportunity for 9 to shamelessly copy the Marngrook Footy Show and put together a shorter, tighter production that focuses on footy, doesn't rely on schoolboy humour and pranks and perhaps features a couple of numbers from Aussie musicians.

At least we have this....

No more Garry on the stretcher gags.
No more Hairy Garry gags
No more making fun of Billy's junk size gags
No more grumpy Garry bullcrape
No more Brayshaw as the second fiddle "oh no" over the top reactions

At least we have this....

No more Garry on the stretcher gags.
No more Hairy Garry gags
No more making fun of Billy's junk size gags
No more grumpy Garry bullcrape
No more Brayshaw as the second fiddle "oh no" over the top reactions

Well, add in old fossil rants and gags and that was the heart and soul of the show when I last had the misfortune to watch it.

Newman is so irrelevant nowadays it's just not funny but you always get the ignorant pissheads in the crowd egging him on.

Before the Game with Andy Maher, Hughesy and Mick Molloy was the best footy show imo and they gave it the ar$e. Loved watching that on a Saturday then they moved it to a Thursday? and it flopped. Sam Lane was good too.
Hairy Garry's philandering in previous decades has been the footy worlds worst kept secret, so i'm not surprised at all to hear this. Feel for the families involved.

Bring back Before the Game!

Before the Game with Andy Maher, Hughesy and Mick Molloy was the best footy show imo and they gave it the ar$e. Loved watching that on a Saturday then they moved it to a Thursday? and it flopped. Sam Lane was good too.
Hairy Garry's philandering in previous decades has been the footy worlds worst kept secret, so i'm not surprised at all to hear this. Feel for the families involved.

Bring back Before the Game!

I agree, but most of the crew has been pirated away by either Ch.7 or Foxtel so it seems there were probably behind the scenes reasons for it's demise. Also at the time the show started Ch.10 was still interested in being part of a Broadcast deal, apparently it's given away those ideas.

Back on the main subject, I am not sure why Newspapers and TV News Services have to report this Lyon/Brownless stuff. They have become the equivalent of The Truth or Women's Weekly, justifying their existence with a ratings spike that will wither and die in a shorter period of time than it took to build the hype! Further it really damages those around the celebrities and often those no celebrities don't deserve it or ask for the attention!

So basically...
Lyon dips his wick in best mate's missus.
Gets caught
Realizes he's about to lose everything from the respect of his friends and family, to his AFL media gigs.
Downward spiral begins...

There were some rumours floating around that it was Billy's 18 yo daughter and not his ex wife who Lyon was into, but highly doubt that's true.

There were some rumours floating around that it was Billy's 18 yo daughter and not his ex wife who Lyon was into, but highly doubt that's true.

Yes that was the very first rumor, but I gather that is why the families came out and scuppered the rumors so that the children were not dragged into the media mire.

Yes that was the very first rumor, but I gather that is why the families came out and scuppered the rumors so that the children were not dragged into the media mire.

Cover up?

Cover up?

I don't think so, for the tabloids it would be an even bigger story than the marriage issue!

Watch Eddie start to manoeuvre for his old job back.

Oh JB is trying but its a tough gig.
Yeah he's under pressure without Garry there.
It's not easy for one person

JB not really capable of carrying that show on his own... and the incident is going to take a fair chunk out of the general vibe.

They might as well pull it and do a complete restructure.

I actually watch TFS every week and still enjoy it (generally)... it is what it is.

are we going to see some one dressed as gary and billy doing a comedy act on the footy show as they have done over the last 20 yrs .How much have they danced on other peoples mistakes.

JB not really capable of carrying that show on his own... and the incident is going to take a fair chunk out of the general vibe.

They might as well pull it and do a complete restructure.

I actually watch TFS every week and still enjoy it (generally)... it is what it is.

Must be only me and you Bear ;) Its kind of ritual for me more than anything, abit like Friday nite footy, doesnt matter whos playing, Ill watch, even if its Carlton.

are we going to see some one dressed as gary and billy doing a comedy act on the footy show as they have done over the last 20 yrs .How much have they danced on other peoples mistakes.

I'd tune in after 15 years of not watching just to see that

Must be only me and you Bear ;) Its kind of ritual for me more than anything, abit like Friday nite footy, doesnt matter whos playing, Ill watch, even if its Carlton.

Me too brother, never miss it. Yeah they are mostly wankers but fork me they come up with some funny sht. ;D

A shattered Billy Brownless believes Garry Lyon's affair with his former wife had been going for up to four years.

As the fall-out over the dramatic ending of a friendship between two of football's biggest names continues, it emerged on Monday Brownless had been telling friends he suspected Lyon's affair with his former wife, Nicky, had been going for between three and four years.

The Age 15/02/16

I think there is still a fair bit to surface her.........

A shattered Billy Brownless believes Garry Lyon's affair with his former wife had been going for up to four years.

As the fall-out over the dramatic ending of a friendship between two of football's biggest names continues, it emerged on Monday Brownless had been telling friends he suspected Lyon's affair with his former wife, Nicky, had been going for between three and four years.

The Age 15/02/16

I think there is still a fair bit to surface her.........

If this is true it's just wow!

Poor Billy and his kids. Poor Garry's family as a collective.

But if Garry is to be hung and quartered upon the knowledge we are being fed then Nikki Brownless must suffer a similar fate. Alternatively they could be given platform to express their remorse for the hurt they have caused and offer details into how they plan to try and attempt to repair the damage.

If this is true it's just wow!

Poor Billy and his kids. Poor Garry's family as a collective.

But if Garry is to be hung and quartered upon the knowledge we are being fed then Nikki Brownless must suffer a similar fate. Alternatively they could be given platform to express their remorse for the hurt they have caused and offer details into how they plan to try and attempt to repair the damage.

I'd say Nikki gets a pass.

Simply because she didn't choose the lime light despite despicably cheating.

Gary Lyon and Bill were high profile football people and Nikki is simply the other.

I'd say Nikki gets a pass.

Simply because she didn't choose the lime light despite despicably cheating.

Gary Lyon and Bill were high profile football people and Nikki is simply the other.

Nikki Brownless (née Duff) has a well known pedigree in Geelong. Her marriage to Brownless would have been based on her social status.

Nikki Brownless (née Duff) has a well known pedigree in Geelong. Her marriage to Brownless would have been based on her social status.

What does that mean?

I'd say Nikki gets a pass.

Simply because she didn't choose the lime light despite despicably cheating.

Gary Lyon and Bill were high profile football people and Nikki is simply the other.

Takes two to tango, GL has always been very complimentary towards her on the FS......
Kelli Stevens didnt really go the limelight and she didnt get a pass so I reckon NikkiB gets similar to GL.

Reckon GL is finished on CH 9 and he will be looking at a radio career only....what an idiot...

I'd say Nikki gets a pass.

Simply because she didn't choose the lime light despite despicably cheating.

Gary Lyon and Bill were high profile football people and Nikki is simply the other.

As EB said, it takes two to tango, even if it's being done horizontally.

The two WAGs were apparently BFFs and, while lust can make folk do inexplicable things, I just don't understand how Nikki could let down her mate.  It's no different to how Lyon let down his mate, his missus and his family.

Hasn't this escalated over the last 24 hours  :o

I wonder what's going to come out next.  Perhaps Garry and Nikki could engage Hird's spin doctors to pass the blame onto someone else  ???

Reckon GL is finished on CH 9 and he will be looking at a radio career only....what an idiot...

That's the power of it!

Lyon breaks the 'bro code' then plays the depression card when it all comes out.......classy guy.

He could try the defence which worked for a rich Saudi in a rape trial in the UK - he tripped and accidently impaled the victim.  In Lyon's case, he may have tripped a lot.

Both careers are dead, for Billy he collects a handsome fee for attending drunken sportsmen nights, that will be just about impossible now with the heckling and sledging that will come from the bleachers. It just won't be worth the pain!

Lyon might have a career with Ricky Nixon, perhaps they can write a book together. They could title it "Learning from the King!"

It took Carey over a decade to recover from his scandal, Lyon being almost 50 will struggle to get another gig.

Takes two to tango, GL has always been very complimentary towards her on the FS......
Kelli Stevens didnt really go the limelight and she didnt get a pass so I reckon NikkiB gets similar to GL.

Reckon GL is finished on CH 9 and he will be looking at a radio career only....what an idiot...

There is news and then there is just trashy social stories.

To be honest, I think we find out too much about these people that doesnt benefit us or society at all.

Both careers are dead, for Billy he collects a handsome fee for attending drunken sportsmen nights, that will be just about impossible now with the heckling and sledging that will come from the bleachers. It just won't be worth the pain!

It would be a pretty poor individual who be heckling or sledging Billy over this, innocent victim.  I don't imagine the majority of a sportmans night audience would take too kindly to that sort of behaviour.

How long it takes before Billy feels able to do those sort of gigs again is another matter entirely.

There is news and then there is just trashy social stories.

To be honest, I think we find out too much about these people that doesnt benefit us or society at all.

Absolutely Thry!

These sorts of grubby affairs happen anonymously all the time but, when it involves so-called celebrities, it suddenly becomes newsworthy.  I'm as guilty as everyone else in speculating about the gory details but I don't need to know and wouldn't mind if nothing more was said.

I guess there's so much speculation in social media, etc that those involved feel that they have to correct the record and, in doing so, feed the flames.

It would be a pretty poor individual who be heckling or sledging Billy over this, innocent victim.  I don't imagine the majority of a sportmans night audience would take too kindly to that sort of behaviour.

How long it takes before Billy feels able to do those sort of gigs again is another matter entirely.

Agree. Billy would be feeling pretty down atm and the last thing he'd want is the company or "humour" that you might find at a sportsman's night. Gee, all that sophistication would be just too much to bear!

Lyon and Brownless have made multi's from gagging others, can't see them avoiding some clown doing unto them what they have done to others...

Absolutely Thry!

These sorts of grubby affairs happen anonymously all the time but, when it involves so-called celebrities, it suddenly becomes newsworthy.  I'm as guilty as everyone else in speculating about the gory details but I don't need to know and wouldn't mind if nothing more was said.

I guess there's so much speculation in social media, etc that those involved feel that they have to correct the record and, in doing so, feed the flames.

I have the same ideas about footballers too.


We are emotionally invested in their outcomes, but we don't need to know if they like Martha or Steve (borrowing from another thread).

We just want to see their exploits on field, and as much as we are emotionally invested in their performances, finding out about public urination after hours, or perhaps issues to do with substances of addiction, mental health issues, or etc, are only a concern of ours if they effect their on field performances.

Lyon and Brownless have made multi's from gagging others, can't see them avoiding some clown doing unto them what they have done to others...

Nope - the lowest common denominator is a powerful magnet for some.

Ths misfortune for the those who become collateral damage isn't just being named it is the way it gets reported. For example today the newspapers run with the headline;

Now I understand that perhaps this is the first time she has been spotted in public since the news broke, but to imply she has been in hiding is just sensationalism.

As for Billy and Lyon, they know how the media works and how easily it turns on their own. They should be expecting the Full Monty, as a few people currently or previously involved with the footy show know they have a reputation in the industry. There will be many waiting in the wings for the opportunity to lower their profile by a few inches! But this is what happens when historically part of your profit comes at the expense of others, and this is also where the situation significantly differs for Nicky Brownless and other family members from the situation Billy and Lyon find themselves in.

Lyon has always come across to me as slimy, arrogant and smarmy. Never expected this, but somehow neither am I surprised.

What about Nicky B the socialite.
Does the typical thing, and goes for her ex's best mate.
How will she be able to face the gals at the Polo lol
Another one whose (rightly or wrongly) reputation is gone.

Lyon has made himself the punchline to a million dumb jokes in one move. Exactly the sort of dumb jokes he's enjoyed at the expense of others his whole career.

The mental issues bit seems a little convenient to me. A good way to extract some sympathy in a moment where he should be copping an absolute pounding.

If this was anyone else Jim would come out dressed as Nicky and Sam would spend the whole first show hitting on him. Will be interesting to see how the double standards play out.

Great article by Clementine Ford in today's Age:

Cut another man's lunch though, and it's to the doghouse for you. It doesn't matter that Brownless himself has admitted that he could have been a better husband, and that he allowed his role in the media to make him selfish and self-absorbed. Whatever reasons his ex-wife had for leaving him, according to this narrative, she's still 'his'.

And it's interesting how sidelined Nicky Brownless and Melissa Lyon have been in all this. If mentioned at all, any distress felt by the latter has been dealt with as an afterthought to the real tragedy here of Lyon betraying his best mate. Nicky's consent or wishes haven't been considered at all, because they're irrelevant to the overriding narrative of Bros Before Hoes and the violation of the time honoured code of masculinity and mateship.

This is the story the media is focusing on, and it's a subtle demonstration of how influential the narrative of masculinity is on the news cycle as a whole. Before you roll your eyes at that, ask yourself if this story would be taken as seriously if it were about two sportswomen and their extracurricular relationships.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/what-footys-outrage-double-standard-reveals-about-attitudes-to-women-20160215-gmuma2.html

It's sure to outrage the misogynists  :)

Can't speak about mental health issues, but I would not be at all surprised if part of what he's battling is a guilty conscience.

There is one winner in the sorry saga...Wayne Carey....no longer the only douchebag hit on your best mates Missus in the AFL and he must be thinking its great Gary Lyon has now taken over that mantle....Wayne blamed it on the drugs, booze, his old man and I'll be interested to see where GL lays the blame particularly if tries to rebuild his media career...Depression is a terrible affliction but I hope Lyon isnt hiding behind that cover only because he has been caught out.

Ricky Nixon is another AFL fallen angel that would be enjoying the focus on former cleanskin Lyon....

There is news and then there is just trashy social stories.

To be honest, I think we find out too much about these people that doesnt benefit us or society at all.

Goes with the territory, you want  a career in a public forum like the media then your life becomes public.....

Great article by Clementine Ford in today's Age:

It's sure to outrage the misogynists  :)

Women are fine with their best friends sniffing around their ex's soon after break up, I suppose?

Women are fine with their best friends sniffing around their ex's soon after break up, I suppose?

Yeah, and they won't bitch about it to anyone if it happens! ::)

Yeah, and they won't bitch about it to anyone if it happens! ::)

What Clementine completely neglects to take into account is that Brownless is upset that it's Lyon involved and the timing. He's not boorishly smashing anyone who comes near her. It's as if this was written by a robot who doesn't understand human emotions. She should apologize to Brownless for this categorisation

They need to get someone like Bolton in to do a reset  ;)

Seriously, this is a perfect opportunity for 9 to shamelessly copy the Marngrook Footy Show and put together a shorter, tighter production that focuses on footy, doesn't rely on schoolboy humour and pranks and perhaps features a couple of numbers from Aussie musicians.

That sounds like the footy show when it first started. ;)

What Clementine completely neglects to take into account is that Brownless is upset that it's Lyon involved and the timing. He's not boorishly smashing anyone who comes near her. It's as if this was written by a robot who doesn't understand human emotions. She should apologize to Brownless for this categorisation

I have a similar view to Clementine.

It would be a different matter if Lyon had back-doored Brownless (and that may indeed be the case).  If it started after Brownless and Nicky parted ways then that's fine by me. Of course, if Lyon was concerned about his friendship with Brownless, he probably should have had a word with him about his intentions.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/billy-brownless-fears-garry-lyon-affairs-with-his-former-wife-had-been-going-for-up-to-four-years-20160215-gmurck.html

According to this, Brownless' marriage broke down last year, but he (BB) suspects the shenanigans have been going on for up to 4 years.

Oh dear God. Gary Lyon, has always been the ultimate dog of a bloke and it's now proven to be true.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/billy-brownless-fears-garry-lyon-affairs-with-his-former-wife-had-been-going-for-up-to-four-years-20160215-gmurck.html

According to this, Brownless' marriage broke down last year, but he (BB) suspects the shenanigans have been going on for up to 4 years.

In that case, Clementine should apologise to Billy.

dog of a bloke like lyon would never let an minor overlap get in the way of self gratification, even if it involves his great mate.
This dog now hide behind MH. He deserves everything that comes his way. sheepish motherfkr making light work of other peoples misfortunes.
get as good as you give lone wolf.

I have a similar view to Clementine.

It would be a different matter if Lyon had back-doored Brownless (and that may indeed be the case).  If it started after Brownless and Nicky parted ways then that's fine by me. Of course, if Lyon was concerned about his friendship with Brownless, he probably should have had a word with him about his intentions.

Really? You'd shake the hand of your best friend if your marriage broke down and he bedded your wife by new year's?

Really? You'd shake the hand of your best friend if your marriage broke down and he bedded your wife by new year's?

I may not shake his hand IOT but if she's no longer my wife, she's no longer my wife.  Clearly, he would value a relationship with my ex more than his relationship with me and I'd be guided by that.

I may not shake his hand IOT but if she's no longer my wife, she's no longer my wife.  Clearly, he would value a relationship with my ex more than his relationship with me and I'd be guided by that.

Isn't that what has happened here though?

Isn't that what has happened here though?

I think that's the situation Clementine wrote about but isn't the story now that Lyon was back-dooring Brownless while the Brownless marriage was still intact?

I think that's the situation Clementine wrote about but isn't the story now that Lyon was back-dooring Brownless while the Brownless marriage was still intact?

Not according to their manager...old pincher Kelly,

"Today's media reports suggesting that Garry and Nicky's relationship has gone on for years are totally incorrect," Kelly said.
"We want to be clear that this relationship took place when both parties were not married. To that end, those details are private and no one else's business.


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There are too many grey areas in this whole saga to speculate;

 - Were they just separated(time-out) or are they divorced.
 - Were they working on reconciliation.
 - Did the deeds start before or after the separation.
 - Had there been previous trysts that lead to the separation.
 - Has Billy always been faithful.
 - Was Lyon open with Billy about the relationship, or was he secretive.
 - Has any of them done this before.

Too many grey areas, at least 50 of them!

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There are too many grey areas in this whole saga to speculate;

 - Were they just separated(time-out) or are they divorced.
 - Were they working on reconciliation.
 - Did the deeds start before or after the separation.
 - Had there been previous trysts that lead to the separation.
 - Has Billy always been faithful.
 - Was Lyon open with Billy about the relationship, or was he secretive.
 - Has any of them done this before.

Too many grey areas, at least 50 of them!

LOL If you don't want people to think you're a mongrel, dont bang someone one of your mates was married to. If you don't give a crap about how your actions impact your friends and how others see you, go ahead. No grey areas.

Apparently Billy discussed the issue with his remaining best mates on TFS last night.  That seems an excellent way to spare his ex and their children from further public scrutiny and speculation  :o

I thought they'd very successfully put a lid on it but I guess ratings are ratings  ???

There are too many grey areas in this whole saga to speculate;

 - Were they just separated(time-out) or are they divorced.
 - Were they working on reconciliation.
 - Did the deeds start before or after the separation.
 - Had there been previous trysts that lead to the separation.
 - Has Billy always been faithful.
 - Was Lyon open with Billy about the relationship, or was he secretive.
 - Has any of them done this before.

Too many grey areas, at least 50 of them!

clearly he was secretive. Relationship was for quite a while apparently, billy only found out
recently.
My question is, how did GL think this would play out?
"oh billy, there's something i forgot to tell you, hope you;re ok with it"

thats the dog act right there

It's just a pity that this family drama has to play out under the full gaze of a sensation seeking public like a cheap second-rate soap opera with the various drama queens, gossip mongerers and trash peddlers in the media just breaking their grubby little necks trying to get on the band wagon whilst the opportunity for exploitation is still available. Geez, excuse me, I feel a little billious!

Apparently Billy discussed the issue with his remaining best mates on TFS last night.  That seems an excellent way to spare his ex and their children from further public scrutiny and speculation  :o

I thought they'd very successfully put a lid on it but I guess ratings are ratings  ???

Yep ....that affair was a producers gift from above as far as ratings go and Billy the poor mug got put through the ringer  ..didnt know about the daughter rumour....bet his daughter is thanking
dad and CH9 for that bit of advertising...not....

Reckon if I was Bill I might have waited until the season was under way and there was plenty of footy to take the heat off his issues before giving an interview but I guess his bosses
wanted the ratings while the saga has some air in it...

Wonder if CH9 want Gary and Bill to bury the hatchet over a few beers in TV face off.....more ratings, and a happy ending.......if its true that Bill will forgive him in time then he is a better man than me....
I'd be wanting to hit GL with a few empty bottles rather than share their contents with him....

As much as part of me says there was no need to put them through this, I like the way it was handled as painful as it was to watch. They got it over and done with early and as far as I'm concerned, its over and we move on. Hopefully GL can get himself right. I hope Billy also moves on from this. As they said, they would have "gone after" the story if it didn't involve any of their own, they showed they don't have double standards. The made the best of a very messy and personal situation.

..didnt know about the daughter rumour....

Heard about this prior to the event.

Allegedly, pictures involving one party sniffing something of another party's chest region.

I can't see a way back for GL on the footy show.

Waste of space anyhow.

In the interests of bringing nomenclature into conformity with reality, Brownless should change his name to Clueless and be done with it.

As for Lyon, as if he needed any more reasons to be despised........

Seriously, who the hell cares about these westie bogans, and their westie bogan shenanigans ?

In the interests of bringing nomenclature into conformity with reality, Brownless should change his name to Clueless and be done with it.

As for Lyon, as if he needed any more reasons to be despised........

Seriously, who the hell cares about these westie bogans, and their westie bogan shenanigans ?

Hey Paul, steady on with the Westie stuff mate...I live west and I'm offended by the Westie references..lol :))

Hey Paul, steady on with the Westie stuff mate...I live west and I'm offended by the Westie references..lol :))

Yes, that was uncalled for. Apologies. Westie is more a value system rather than a specific location.

Soz matey.

On a side note westie is something my wife has introduced me too and to do with a specific part of Heidelberg (West). 

Is that where you got it Paul!?

Always thought "westie" was a Sydney thing.

And Billy and Gary are both country boys.

On a side note westie is something my wife has introduced me too and to do with a specific part of Heidelberg (West). 

Is that where you got it Paul!?

I think the term 'westy' or 'westie' originated in NSW and is a stereotypical reference to residents of Greater Western Sydney.  Victoria's 'bogan' is an equivalent but isn't geographically based; bogans can live anywhere  :)

On a side note westie is something my wife has introduced me too and to do with a specific part of Heidelberg (West). 

Is that where you got it Paul!?

No, it's just a term that is in the "public domain".

At any rate, it was a dopey choice of word on my part, which I regret.

The point was we all know "stuff happens", but there's some things that really should be kept private, at least IMO.

On a side note westie is something my wife has introduced me too and to do with a specific part of Heidelberg (West). 

Is that where you got it Paul!?

Westie is definitely used for Heidelberg West types in Northern Victoria. I'm sure its used for types west of melbourne too.
However, Westie i used in Sydney for GWS types.
Westie is even a derogatory term in Perth.

I'm sure every city has their 'westies'. Doubt any of them are good. ;)

I think the term 'westy' or 'westie' originated in NSW and is a stereotypical reference to residents of Greater Western Sydney.  Victoria's 'bogan' is an equivalent but isn't geographically based; bogans can live anywhere  :)

Yep...my wife is a Sydney girl and Westies are anything past Liverpool and having a core around Mt Druiit, Cabramatta.etc....if you want a night out to experience " Westies" at their finest then go
to a place called " Mounties".....some very interesting people frequent that establishment... :-X

re: Heidelberg West...cleaning its act up and for anyone wanting to look at an inner area that will grow in property value then this is a place to buy now while its still semi reasonable in price..

@EB1
West Heidelberg was literally the wild west show when I first arrived in Melbourne in the 1970s. I know as I lived very close in the early days and we used to sometimes go there to shop - until we learned better! A very different place these days and agree, likely to keep improving due to its location not too far from the city.

@EB1
West Heidelberg was literally the wild west show when I first arrived in Melbourne in the 1970s. I know as I lived very close in the early days and we used to sometimes go there to shop - until we learned better! A very different place these days and agree, likely to keep improving due to its location not too far from the city.

Cookie, Yep funny place is Heidelberg....you have the extreme wealthy extending to Eaglemont, Ivanhoe and then you have the West end where probably the Olympic Village area is the poorest with
a high crime and violence rate. There was a little shopping centre near the village that always had the shops bordered up with tin sheets and looked like a scene from Northern Ireland at its worst.
We sometimes shop at Warringal as we have some friends who live in the area and you get to see the blend of people from all areas and its a real contrast..
Give it a few years and the west part will be a nice place to live IMO and I hope they look after the 2000 or so residents who live in public housing, we did it tough when I was a kid and
I dont like seeing the less fortunate forgotten about or just discarded into another poor housing estate somewhere else...

Could be a great investment EB, being so close to the city it will eventually come good.

One of my schoolmates lived in West Heidelberg and it was always an interesting experience staying at his place.

The butcher at the old Olympic Village shopping centre sells camel meat if anyone's interested.

Could be a great investment EB, being so close to the city it will eventually come good.

It will Carrots..already developer's are moving in and building unit complexes etc and being so close to Northland shops, hospitals, rail etc it has all the facilities you need....
Reckon its a gold mine in the making and all those old housing commish homes will be sold off to developers and the Govt will make squillions...

It will Carrots..already developer's are moving in and building unit complexes etc and being so close to Northland shops, hospitals, rail etc it has all the facilities you need....
Reckon its a gold mine in the making and all those old housing commish homes will be sold off to developers and the Govt will make squillions...

Most of the Housing Commission homes are in private ownership.  Friends of mine bought one in the late 80s and sold it (with modest renovations) in the mid 90s for a tidy profit.  The Govt will still make squillions - from stamp duty!

I've lived in the area for 50 years and the development has largely occurred around the suburb in Heidy Heights, Rosanna, MacLeod, West Preston.  West Heidy and the Olympic Village areas are still referred to by the locals as the Bronx..... For good reason.

Eb... At Warringal I've heard people refer to the folks that come from the other side of the Austin as "the other side of the hill" or "Eskimos".    Interesting times at Warringal Village come pension day.... A real education for Eaglemont millionaire matrons picking up cheap groceries at Aldi.

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The butcher at the old Olympic Village shopping centre sells camel meat if anyone's interested.

Crab stuffed and herb encrusted ?

One of my schoolmates lived in West Heidelberg and it was always an interesting experience staying at his place.

The butcher at the old Olympic Village shopping centre sells camel meat if anyone's interested.

had my very first souvlaki and my very first taste of barracuda (with chips) at the fish and chippy in the row of shops in Southern Rd up towards the intersection with Rosanna Rd. I think it's still there?

I think you mean Waiora rd but it's still there

I think you mean Waiora rd but it's still there

Thanks Prof, Waiora Rd is right. Good to know the chippy is still there as I used to like their food when I was young and hard-up.

(now I'm old and hard-up!)

@EB1
West Heidelberg was literally the wild west show when I first arrived in Melbourne in the 1970s. I know as I lived very close in the early days and we used to sometimes go there to shop - until we learned better! A very different place these days and agree, likely to keep improving due to its location not too far from the city.

We used to have an office in Dougharty Rd in 2008-2009, the drive down Liberty Parade at times was very interesting to say the least.

Most of the Housing Commission homes are in private ownership.  Friends of mine bought one in the late 80s and sold it (with modest renovations) in the mid 90s for a tidy profit.  The Govt will still make squillions - from stamp duty!

DJ....A little piece on the Olympic Village residents and some history......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-09/melbourne-olympic-village-west-heidelberg-doing-it-tough/6916224

You would remember the Olympic basketball courts, they had not changed since the games ..my kids played a bit of domestic vs the Ivanhoe Knights there....they had a lot of trouble working out the ages of their kids did the Knights...U16 kids with beards who drove themselves to games?????

DJ....A little piece on the Olympic Village residents and some history......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-09/melbourne-olympic-village-west-heidelberg-doing-it-tough/6916224

You would remember the Olympic basketball courts, they had not changed since the games ..my kids played a bit of domestic vs the Ivanhoe Knights there....they had a lot of trouble working out the ages of their kids did the Knights...U16 kids with beards who drove themselves to games?????

My son played domestic basketball there and my sister was asked to sort out some refereeing issues there.  She had taught at the local primary school and knew what she was in for  :)

Ivanhoe Knights; one of the few domestic teams we played against where an all in brawl was likely - and that was my daughter's team.  Actually my son's team came pretty close too, but that was with the Ivanhoe refs  ;)

I enjoyed the time I spent in West Heidelberg but at 16/17 you're six feet tall and bulletproof.  My older brother, who was a copper in Heidelberg Crime Cars, was full of stories about the psychopaths and sociopaths he encountered  :o

Seems like the Lyon vs Brownless thread has morphed into a real estate investor prospectus. Maybe the Mods could intervene and give this topic it's own space. ;)

Seems like the Lyon vs Brownless thread has morphed into a real estate investor prospectus. Maybe the Mods could intervene and give this topic it's own space. ;)

Just to get it back on track, the guru of relationships, aka Sammy Newman, has suggested that Garry Lyon should have been up front with Billy Brownless about his interest in Billy's ex.  For once, I think he's right  :o

Just to get it back on track, the guru of relationships, aka Sammy Newman, has suggested that Garry Lyon should have been up front with Billy Brownless about his interest in Billy's ex.  For once, I think he's right  :o

Well Bill knew about it for at least 3 months before busting them. There is nothing illegal about 2 consenting adults forming a loving relationship. The fact that these blokes were best mates and that the relationship ended as soon as it was discovered shows that all parties deemed it unethical.

Glad the rumors regarding Bills daughter were shown to be a load of crape.

Well Bill knew about it for at least 3 months before busting them. There is nothing illegal about 2 consenting adults forming a loving relationship. The fact that these blokes were best mates and that the relationship ended as soon as it was discovered shows that all parties deemed it unethical.

Glad the rumors regarding Bills daughter were shown to be a load of crape.

THink you've got your timeframes mixed up.

Bill found out about 3/4 months ago. It only came out in the media in the past month or so.

As soon as he suspected, he busted them. They said it had just started.

Well Bill knew about it for at least 3 months before busting them. There is nothing illegal about 2 consenting adults forming a loving relationship. The fact that these blokes were best mates and that the relationship ended as soon as it was discovered shows that all parties deemed it unethical.

Glad the rumors regarding Bills daughter were shown to be a load of crape.

On TFS I thought from what he stated that he found out 3 months before the story broke(late last year), and he thought it had been on for about 3 months before he found out but he had suspicions.

THink you've got your timeframes mixed up.

Bill found out about 3/4 months ago. It only came out in the media in the past month or so.

As soon as he suspected, he busted them. They said it had just started.

Yeah, that's what they all say.????

THERE was no bad blood between Billy Brownless and Garry Lyon as recently as November, according to Jonathan Brown.

The former Brisbane Lions star, who has worked closely with the Footy Show duo via his media commitments for more than a decade, said he did not suspect a thing late last year.

“I was out on the road with the boys in November as part of a bit of stage show I did also with Sam Newman and Damian Barrett as well as Billy (Brownless) and Gaz (Garry Lyon),” Brown told NOVA FM.

“Everything was going well then … their relationship was very healthy, we shared plenty of laughs and good times out there.

“I’m mates with the both of them. (They were) very tight, it certainly it goes back a long way.”

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but there dies appear to be some murkiness in regards to the timeline of events.

Bill says...

“Initial feelings? I couldn’t believe it. I found out three or four months ago that something was going on. I had a hunch. I did some investigation myself, sat Nicky down and we had a chat and she told me.

So did he sit down with Nicky after a 3-4 month investigation? If he did that would explain Johnno Browns account of events and the timing of Lyon getting treatment as the story broke.

Bill says....

“I had asked Gary and Nicky earlier on what is going on and they said they were just good friends. That’s what hurts the most.”

That suggests to me that this was at the beginning when he first learned of the affair and after 3-4 months he had enough proof to confront Nicky who confessed.

That seems to fit, 14th, 15th and 16th of Nov they were part of the regional roadshow and we don't have a date for the moment Billy confirmed the affair. It could have been any time from the 16th of Nov forward.

When Billy states he confronted his wife, it doesn't say anything to confirm at that time who she was seeing, just that she was seeing someone. That could mean even earlier, but it cannot be later unless she has been seeing more than one person.

That suggests the Lyon affair started in July / August if Billy's description of events is accurate, and Lyon is the only person she was seeing.

Gary 'Dogs Act' Lyon.

Gary 'Dogs Act' Lyon.

When did the split become publicly official, in July 2015 on Open Mike?

I wonder what name SEN will give the new Lyon / Watson Breakfast Show, any suggestions?

G.Lyon back on Footy Classified is the rumour but wont be on the footy show....

I wonder what name SEN will give the new Lyon / Watson Breakfast Show, any suggestions?

"Stick it in"

I wonder what name SEN will give the new Lyon / Watson Breakfast Show, any suggestions?

finally a reason to dump sen and go back to public broadcasters.

perhaps dumb and dumber? or the liar and his cheating dog.

"Stick it in"

Excellent, I like that "Stick it in Em" meme.

We could go the exact opposite, "The Pull Out Breakfast Bar!", sort of gets to the point of both issues!

How about "Liar Liar Peds on Fire!"

or "Stuck in a Hard Place!"

perhaps "Morning Regret!"

Liar Liar Peds on Fire - luv it!

Darling Nikki

I was staying away from show names or anything titled about or along the lines of,

"In the Nik of Time!"
"Nikking in and out!"
"Early Morning Cut Lunches and Lawn Mowing!"
"The Breakfast Shot!"
"Knock Knock At the Back Door!"
"The Wake Up Call!"
"Are you Asleep or What?"
"Rise and Shine On!"
"Your Daily Vitamin and Mineral Supplements Show!"
"The Supplements Hour!"
"Breaky Performance Boosters!"
"Take the Blue Pill!"
"It's Good for Your Health!"
"Get One in Early!"
"Massaging the Strewth!"

SEN ratings have plummeted since the return of Lyon and Watson, dropped almost 30% I believe.

It's hard to understand that the AFL media can be as ignorant and arrogant as the AFL and CheatsFC. They delivered a show using two blokes, one who to broke the golden rule and the other a defender of CheatsFC.

Did they really think 17/18ths of the AFL supporter base was just going to forgive them, maybe they employ a few too many apologists?

Surely they didn't think having CheatsFC supporters would be enough to sustain the show.

Don't they understand that they are a minority, and that most people are not OK with what either of them have been up to and involved in!

I suspect that the drop in ratings reflects the fact that it is very poor radio; Watson is passable as a third banana, Lyon relies on sight gags and McLachlan is tedious ...

I really don't understand the "golden rule" stuff.  Nicky is not Billy's property.  She is a free agent and is entitled to have a relationship with any other free agent.

I suspect that the drop in ratings reflects the fact that it is very poor radio; Watson is passable as a third banana, Lyon relies on sight gags and McLachlan is tedious ...

I really don't understand the "golden rule" stuff.  Nicky is not Billy's property.  She is a free agent and is entitled to have a relationship with any other free agent.

Not hard to understand. She can do as she pleases but a mate doesn't hook up with your ex wife.

the ratings plummet might have more to do with the time of year than anything else.

The real stuff worth commenting on doesnt start for a week or so, and since the trade/draft/free agency period ended there has been very little going on that they actually talk about.

Not hard to understand. She can do as she pleases but a mate doesn't hook up with your ex wife.

The betrayal is equal whether it's a mate or a stranger IMO. You can't consciously decide to develop feelings for this or that person -  these feelings just creep up on you.

The real issue is the hiding - if they came out and were up front about it to begin with, the situation might not have deteriorated to that extent.

No doubt it's very messy, but that's adult life sometimes.

Not hard to understand. She can do as she pleases but a mate doesn't hook up with your ex wife.

I really can't see a problem provided everyone is open and up front about it ... and I understand that wasn't the case in this scenario.  However, given the passage of time and the fact that Lyon and Nicky value their relationship more than that with Billy, move on.

The real issue is the hiding - if they came out and were up front about it to begin with, the situation might not have deteriorated to that extent.

Bingo, that's the crotch of the Lyon / Brownless matter! :D

Whether Billy approved or disapproved, the correct thing for Lyon and Nicky to do was tell him about it. They are all adults, but they behaved like school children.

Bingo, that's the crotch of the Lyon / Brownless matter! :D

Whether Billy approved or disapproved, the correct thing for Lyon and Nicky to do was tell him about it. They are all adults, but they behaved like school children.

Freudian slip there LP  ;)

You're right though, they should have been open and up front.  While I imagine that Lyon was reluctant to tell Billy that he had feelings for Nicky, a real mate would have done so before the relationship progressed.

Freudian slip there LP  ;)

You're right though, they should have been open and up front.  While I imagine that Lyon was reluctant to tell Billy that he had feelings for Nicky, a real mate would have done so before the relationship progressed.

There was no slip involved! :D

There was no slip involved! :D

You're a wicked man ... as one of my former staff members used to say  :))

You're a wicked man ... as one of my former staff members used to say  :))

Boom boom.

I may have used crotch but you used staff and member, and you call me wicked!

The problem the footy show has is all the good media performers go to 7 and foxtel.

With 3 well paid presenters, a junior newshound, guests like Sheehan and Murphy, a dedicated news reader and at least 3 in the production team, this is a VERY EXPENSIVE breakfast combination who would be collecting 2/5 of bugger all in advertising revenue.

SEN would be gutted today (all shifts took a hit) and they'd want to improve in the next 2 surveys if they want to see the year out.

Personally, they had the big build up, heavy promotion and gave it their best shot and failed!!!

Boom boom.

I may have used crotch but you used staff and member, and you call me wicked!

Perhaps that why another employee used to say "I'll report you, you beast!"

 :))

They could add JC himself to the breakfast line up but while Watson Snr is on SEN I won't be listening to it.

You can just about put Gally Lyon in the same boat... my tosser alarm go off whenever he comes on so I have to switch over.

Harf was great - I stopped listening when he left as the replacements are crap. Might teach them a lesson - why change something thats not broken.

Still not as bad as when Ch 7 axed Before the game. Most original and funniest footy show by a mile. So many non footy people watched it - thats how good it was. Looked forward to it every Saturday even when we lost it picked me up.

Yet they dropped it. Never understood that one

 

Still not as bad as when Ch 7 axed Before the game.

Ch 10 can take the blame for that one. 

They could add JC himself to the breakfast line up but while Watson Snr is on SEN I won't be listening to it.

You can just about put Gally Lyon in the same boat... my tosser alarm go off whenever he comes on so I have to switch over.

Agree..Watson is annoying with his preaching and I was never a fan of Lyon before his falling out with Brownless given some stories I had heard.
HamMac  in small doses I can tolerate....

Could it be ratings have slipped because footy season hasn't started yet, and there is no real footy news going on??

They chased all the characters out of the game, and now can't drum up any interest.

I wonder why...

Agree..Watson is annoying with his preaching and I was never a fan of Lyon before his falling out with Brownless given some stories I had heard.
HamMac  in small doses I can tolerate....

EB, agree on GL. But I don't mind Watson - as a boundary rider during the telecasts, I think he says some good things, speaks well, good voice, succinct and to the point. He can be pretty humorless though. Hamish Mac - I usually give him a wide berth, especially when he interviews those poor hapless children during the half time interval. 

EB, agree on GL. But I don't mind Watson - as a boundary rider during the telecasts, I think he says some good things, speaks well, good voice, succinct and to the point. He can be pretty humorless though. Hamish Mac - I usually give him a wide berth, especially when he interviews those poor hapless children during the half time interval.

Watson is so biased towards CheatsFC that most of his special comments are targeted at turning a knife in the opposition, and they offer little insight.

If these people want respect, that can earn it a very simple way, step away from their conflicts of interest and continue to work hard. But they won't, because they are motivated by their conflict.

Would Watson Snr still be working in the media if not to defend Jab and CheatsFC?

Watson is so biased towards CheatsFC that most of his special comments are targeted at turning a knife in the opposition, and they offer little insight.

If these people want respect, that can earn it a very simple way, step away from their conflicts of interest and continue to work hard. But they won't, because they are motivated by their conflict.

Would Watson Snr still be working in the media if not to defend Jab and CheatsFC?

In his role as boundary rider, he commentates on whatever game happens to be telecast, which rarely involves the Bombers. I can't comment on what he says in his other roles.

With 3 well paid presenters, a junior newshound, guests like Sheehan and Murphy, a dedicated news reader and at least 3 in the production team, this is a VERY EXPENSIVE breakfast combination who would be collecting 2/5 of bugger all in advertising revenue.

SEN would be gutted today (all shifts took a hit) and they'd want to improve in the next 2 surveys if they want to see the year out.

Personally, they had the big build up, heavy promotion and gave it their best shot and failed!!!

Big part of that is I think the average joe punter that listens to sen thinks all of theirs guys are egotistical knobs. Clearly sen doesn't know their audience by trying to turn it into MMM

In his role as boundary rider, he commentates on whatever game happens to be telecast, which rarely involves the Bombers. I can't comment on what he says in his other roles.

Even in his non-CheatsFC games he still rarely fails to miss a dig at opposition players/supporters, something that is notably and completely absent from his CheatsFC player or supporter commentary.

SEN will be praying that when the season proper starts their ratings will bounce back. Doubt it though when their breakfast show is their worst... pretty ordinary launch pad for other programs. I am with so many other folks who've been turned off by Watson & Lyon. So much so that I now never listen to their breakfast show.

Don't know what SEN are thinking keeping those two, they're both tainted for different reasons. Smells of mates looking after mates, definitely not an objective decision. So many recently retired players with smarts and personality and NO BAGGAGE!

Even in his non-CheatsFC games he still rarely fails to miss a dig at opposition players/supporters, something that is notably and completely absent from his CheatsFC player or supporter commentary.

Fair dinkum, if I'm not the dumbest member on these forums, I don't know who is. Why I continue to get sucked in to your hyperbolic trash talk is beyond me.

Don't know what SEN are thinking keeping those two, they're both tainted for different reasons. Smells of mates looking after mates, definitely not an objective decision. So many recently retired players with smarts and personality and NO BAGGAGE!

Yes, nepotism is alive and well in the AFL.

Fair dinkum, if I'm not the dumbest member on these forums, I don't know who is. Why I continue to get sucked in to your hyperbolic trash talk is beyond me.

There is no hyperbole in regards to Watson trash talking AFL clubs other than CheatsFC, it's his way and he is very good at doing it in a subtle enough way to stir up supporter or media trouble without being identified as a source!

If you are naive enough to think stuff like that doesn't go on, have a look at the new Fox Footy Ad, the Ad with McGuire and others breaking through banners, and work out which club gets alternative treatment. Many of them are hard at sh1te stirring, and if our own club is under-represented then it's a target.

Whether inadvertently or deliberately, you seem to confuse conspiracy theories and supposed examples of sneaky behavior as genuine observational or analytical ability. How many of your posts have some comment like "if you can't see x"  "if you're so naive as to think......". Well I'm not buying.

Timmy knows exactly what side of his bread is buttered, and so do I, and so do many others. Your constant spitballs trying to highlight all these behind the scenes shenanigans are both patronizing and tiresome, and generally baseless.

Notwithstanding the PED's saga, the Bombers have been a much better run outfit than us. Their recruiting has been better, and their off field professionalism has seen to it that they cultivate relationships in all the right places. Instead of having an a#hole like Elliott trying to stick it up to everyone, we should've been doing exactly the same. 

Whether inadvertently or deliberately, you seem to confuse conspiracy theories and supposed examples of sneaky behavior as genuine observational or analytical ability. How many of your posts have some comment like "if you can't see x"  "if you're so naive as to think......". Well I'm not buying.

Timmy knows exactly what side of his bread is buttered, and so do I, and so do many others. Your constant spitballs trying to highlight all these behind the scenes shenanigans are both patronizing and tiresome, and generally baseless.

Notwithstanding the PED's saga, the Bombers have been a much better run outfit than us. Their recruiting has been better, and their off field professionalism has seen to it that they cultivate relationships in all the right places. Instead of having an a#hole like Elliott trying to stick it up to everyone, we should've been doing exactly the same.

There is nothing "behind the scenes" in comments made front of camera, and you may well be naive if you think Watson isn't using his position to favor the club he loves and that his son plays for.

Just as Evans Snr, Sheedy, Demetriou did during their era of influence. Or would you have us ignore how CheatsFC benefited including a slap on the wrist for under the table payments in a premiership year and an incredibly favorable and exclusive deal to be Docklands first tenant. What other impacts remain of that era, and how has that impacted on where CheatsFC sit today!

Instead just keep blaming Elliott from more than a decade and a half ago for our current situation and hope if we are nice AFL boys it'll all come good!

The reason they receive favorable treatment is precisely because of the smart relationship cultivation which I referred to in my previous post. Something we should've been doing for years instead of telling everyone how arrogant we are.

The reason they receive favorable treatment is precisely because of the smart relationship cultivation which I referred to in my previous post. Something we should've been doing for years instead of telling everyone how arrogant we are.

I agree relationships are everything, and politics do enter sport like it or not! But I am not suggesting we need to be arrogant "behind the scenes", towards the AFL administration or at any significant official level.

But we must be aware that it's not a level playing field.

It's not too hard for CheatsFC to cultivate a relationship when the AFL Chairman, CEO and Uber Coach / Game Spokesperson are in hindsight all die-hard CheatsFC supporters. We don't even have to go into the Ch.7 nepotism that sees CheatsFC supporters dominate the Melbourne newsroom and sports department.

What of The Hun's AFL coverage, do you think it is an accident that so many generic football stories feature a CheatsFC image?

We seem to have failed at this because after being stomped on by the above CheatsFC hierarchy we were way too gun shy to make proper use of the Fitzpatrick era. Now that opportunity is lost, those CheatsFC blaggards were not so backwards in coming forwards when the opportunity arose. I suggest we should be the same!

Fwiw, there isn't a single AFL club in the 2016 top eight that hasn't recently been assisted by either the AFL or government.

We need a bias to get off the bottom rungs of the ladder, hope and good intentions won't do it! :o

The bias Watson exhibits is plain for all to see, and back on topic I contend a major reason for the SEN ratings issues. Listeners are just sick of it.

As for his motives for talking down Carlton and others. Carlton is just another child begging for AFL attention and at the moment we are not in focus. Watson's motives are the same as Nthmond's or McGuire's recent jump on the boutique stadium bandwagon. If there is a slice of pie Watson wants CheatsFC to get the first slice, and talking down opponents is a good start. He implies by his criticism of other clubs that "Surely they(The AFL) wouldn't waste time and money on them!" as he strolls around the Anzac Day game lauding it's success despite it having a newly found taint!

Going by your theory, there are 16 other teams that are in the same "disadvantaged" boat as us. If the situation was as lopsided as you suggest, and blatant favoritism is shown to one club and one club only, then why do all the other clubs go along with it ?

Probably because the situation is not as lopsided as you like to make out.

Going by your theory, there are 16 other teams that are in the same "disadvantaged" boat as us. If the situation was as lopsided as you suggest, and blatant favoritism is shown to one club and one club only, then why do all the other clubs go along with it ?

Probably because the situation is not as lopsided as you like to make out.

I would expect other clubs are equally unhappy about the media coverage, what makes you think they aren't?

How much the biased coverage translates to real world effects is hard if not impossible to judge, but that media bias exists like it or not!

In the nest the loudest chick gets the worm, at the moment Carlton is one chick that is starving while it's bullish brother stands on it's head.

Media bias or not, every club has supporters with a persecution complex, that believe their club has been unfairly treated. You can complain as much as you like about the unfair Etihad deal, draft penalties, sneaky comments by Timmy and everything else. Fact is, as we sit here in 2017, 90% of our problems are self inflicted.

Media bias or not, every club has supporters with a persecution complex, that believe their club has been unfairly treated. You can complain as much as you like about the unfair Etihad deal, draft penalties, sneaky comments by Timmy and everything else. Fact is, as we sit here in 2017, 90% of our problems are self inflicted.

Ignoring the past for now, just worrying about the future. Climbing a ladder is hard enough without having some wanker stomping on your fingers or throwing rocks at you!

Watson is the commentary equivalent of a sniper, if our club did exactly what he recommends he would flip and claim we were doing the wrong thing!

Another topic high jacked.......

Another topic high jacked.......

Footy starts soon!................... 8)