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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
If the players have even a morsel of respect for Vossy, they will do the job for him tomorrow night.
Dont expect them to win given we dont have much to play for but just compete for 4 quarters and dont give up and embarrass the club. Hopefully Brisbane think its just a holiday to Melbourne and havent put much preparation in and are as half ar$ed as we usually are. Unfortunately I dont think even a miracle win will change much and the wheels of change are in motion.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by laj -
Quote from: Micky0 – on
TDK would’ve signed by now if he was staying. We are not in finals contention. Why would he not be dropped for rhe remainder of the season? What are the pros and cons.

Personally I feel affronted that we put time into him and even gave his mum even a little platform
With McKays mum etc - and now he’s leaving, absolutely his prerogative to chase $500k more over 7 years but I just think he’s done so let’s move on now with others.

Also is $500k x  7 years really worth leaving Carlton? I could understand if Sts were a finals bound club but they’re not - maybe they have the young talent that’ll come thru with him…

Anyway it’s been a poor year and I’m looking forward to sorting out this crape and getting on with playing and winning footy games again!

Multiplied outand that is 3.5 million. Alot! Plus, I don't want to be paying 1.2 million to keep him. He's good but certainly not close to that good.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by laj -
Quote from: PaulP – on
One has to legitimately wonder if there exists a Guinness World Records entry for lost players. The number of Carlton coaches that seem to "lose the players" is staggering, not only for the frequency with which it it occurs, but the brief time period between occurrences. Every few years, we hear about losing the players. Pagan, Malthouse, Teague, Bolton, now Voss. They don't seem to get lost at other clubs.
3 of them had/have genuinely lost them, and yes, we do hold the world record for that....lol.

After listening to the Lachie Henderson i'm not inclined to blame Malthouse. The whole place, he said, was toxic, and they way players were treated was something awful, and he wasn't talking about Mick. Said he couldn't wait to get out of the place. Pagan, did lose them badly, the game just flew past him and he couldn't adapt, but, he also made mention about how toxic the place was when he was there. Real toxic. Teague didn't lose them but performances just dribbled off. Only lost by more than 5 goals twice during his reign. There was alot coming out about issues in the club in the media when his term was coming to his end. While Bolton lost them badly i'm guessing it was pretty toxic then too. Ratts was still probably the most successful given he got us to 3 successive finals series after and highly improved 2008. Maybe we looked after our own more given it was Ratts. 2012 was starting to look like the Carlton we currently know though. Liked to have seen though if it was just a bad year, like Richmong in 2016, or just what we've regularly seen since 2001.

A combination of a bad club, as you once said,  a couple of bad coaching appointments combined with a culture that has tended to stink. We have had 5 coaching changes and god knows how many list overhauls since 2001 for not alot of change. So that says alot about the club itself. This current lot needs it's light bulb moment before they find their careers wasted by achieving nothing.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by Adelaideblue -
Quote from: kruddler – on
There is a difference between playing 30yo's and trading 1st round picks for them.

Nobody is saying Marshall is going to a retirement home next year, but surely people can see that his longevity compared to what else that same 1st round pick can get you elsewhere is severly different.

Let TDK walk.
Use Pittonet for a year with HOK as backup. Maybe add Riley in the off-season.
See how that goes for the year and if required, get a free agent ruck in next year.


Yep agree let's not part with a young star (sometimes) ruckman and replace with an older lesser version. Let Krooz. continue the good work he appears to be doing developing young rucks such as O'Keef and Riley.

Ab
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by RiverRat -
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.



Good players can play into their mid 30s
People calling  Doc to retire....I don't agree with it. He is a natural footballer that is out of form - probably not top 15 on the list but is top 25-30. If his body allows him to run, jump and crack into contests he should play on. If not then he needs to call it a day.
I don't think Doc is out of form - although he certainly started the season that way - some of his recent games have had him among our better players. 

I just think time and injuries have caught up with him and he has lost (more than) a yard of pace - so much so that he is consistently under pressure when delivering the ball - i.e. the mind is (more than) willing but the body can no longer serve the dinner, other than by way of turnovers or by kicking and hoping, rather than to advantage.

Having said that, I would be happy to see him stay on the list as long as he can justify his place in the team.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: kruddler – on
There is a difference between playing 30yo's and trading 1st round picks for them.

Nobody is saying Marshall is going to a retirement home next year, but surely people can see that his longevity compared to what else that same 1st round pick can get you elsewhere is severly different.

Let TDK walk.
Use Pittonet for a year with HOK as backup. Maybe add Riley in the off-season.
See how that goes for the year and if required, get a free agent ruck in next year.

No we are gonna trade them all at 28 because they are busted and we need to get value in the team. 

So we are going to trade what we have with value to get value, and then wonder why the club is spiritually bankrupt. :D

The argument rings true on many levels, I wouldn't be trading anything of such high value for an old player either.