Ready for the post game. I would love to be there, but ...
What a result! Fantastic for half a team!
7 goals from H and Charlie!
amazing effort Zac Williams , Carroll, crippa , cerra, and acres ( i cant believe freo let him go) amazing
VOSS the BOSS
Another hoodoo off the shrinking list 🥳
Congratulations to the club. That's pure maturity 👌
OMG. Brisvegas at the Gabba. Love it. ❤️
Sensational comeback !
Sloppy 1st q but they gathered and got into the contest.
Our midfield were huge. Our defence stood up. 46 points down and we kick all but three of the last dozen goals!
Our midfield were huge. Our defence stood up. 46 points down and we kick all but three of the last dozen goals!
Young , kemp , Mcgovern all good
love the run of Williams off Hb
It was a reversal of the PF
BRISBANE 7.2 9.5 10.11 12.13 (85)
CARLTON 2.0 4.4 11.6 13.8 (86)
The premiership quarter. I am going to enjoy watching this.
Phark me, from looking like coping a floggin to one of our best wins EVER. Couldn't write this up
Jack Carroll..... come on down!!!
Jack Carroll..... come on down!!!
Lovely to see him step up!
Hope Carroll's game tonight inspires Voss to play the young guys id love Voss to be the Jurgen Klopp of the AFL
Jack Carroll..... come on down!!!
Delighted for Jack Carraoll he is such a talent and deserves more minutes 100% - is he better than Ollie Hollands I'd say yes.
Hope Carroll's game tonight inspires Voss to play the young guys id love Voss to be the Jurgen Klopp of the AFL
If they are hitting KPI’s and the opportunity presents to play them then yes.
Any word on Doc's injury?
How the phark did we do that?
Pre match thread - weren't serious with the side we picked, as if it was a practice match.
Result was never in doubt :)
Me? Pre game would have taken an 8 goal loss.
Awesome second half.
Very glad I tuned in from the 3rd Qtr. Amazing win, especially so considering we lost Doc, and that was a strong Brisbane side on their home deck. Carlton were long shots. The players willed themselves to win that.
That loss really stung the Lions. Let's hope it's psychological when playing Carlton.
I said in the pre game that we picked a side that actually gives us half a chance....and against all odds, we took that chance and ran with it.
I think that's just about the best start you could have to the year.
1. You beat the team that ended your finals campaign.
2. You beat the only team vossy hadn't beaten wearing Carlton colours.
3. You beat the team who hasn't lost a game on their home turf since 2022.
4. Harry kicks the winner and gets the monkey off his back.
Could not have asked for more.
There was a few things I was dirty about with our prelim side, and mc picking sides in general and a couple things I've been pushing for and to my surprise, they all came to a head tonight...and it clicked.
1. You only need 1 ruck. You only ever need 1 ruck. Harry, cripps and even Kennedy giving the number 1 ruck a chopout is all you need.
2. Kennedy playing the silvagni role (even the ruck battles) and switching with cripps in the middle.
3. Picking a smaller side with plenty of run. That is what got us going on our streak and when we went away from that, our streak ended.
Learn from this.
Carlton ended a 14 game winning streak for the Lions at the Gabba. First Carlton win there since 2013. Outstanding effort.
There was a few things I was dirty about with our prelim side, and mc picking sides in general and a couple things I've been pushing for and to my surprise, they all came to a head tonight...and it clicked.
1. You only need 1 ruck. You only ever need 1 ruck. Harry, cripps and even Kennedy giving the number 1 ruck a chopout is all you need.
2. Kennedy playing the silvagni role (even the ruck battles) and switching with cripps in the middle.
3. Picking a smaller side with plenty of run. That is what got us going on our streak and when we went away from that, our streak ended.
Learn from this.
100%
Well done to Carroll. Should get a full game next week.
Well done to Young. Thought he would be absolutely crape tonight but did OK.
Well done to H. Would never have tipped him to kick that last goal. Super
Well done to Zac Williams. Pretty good comeback game
Well done TDK. Herculean effort all night against Frankenstein's monster who usually smashes us
Well done Hewett. Thought he'd dropped off a bit but was a machine all night
Well done Charlie. Superstars turn games.
Well done Crippa for your massive shoulders
Massive win. Please, please, please don't blow it all away next week.
Well done to Carroll. Should get a full game next week.
Well done to Young. Thought he would be absolutely crape tonight but did OK.
Well done to H. Would never have tipped him to kick that last goal. Super
Well done to Zac Williams. Pretty good comeback game
Well done TDK. Herculean effort all night against Frankenstein's monster who usually smashes us
Well done Hewett. Thought he'd dropped off a bit but was a machine all night
Well done Charlie. Superstars turn games.
Well done Crippa for your massive shoulders
Massive win. Please, please, please don't blow it all away next week.
Agree with everything but as as a cocky and arrogant traditional Carlton supporter I suggest that it's going to be a percentage booster.
I too was pleasantly surprised to see Kennedy take a couple of ruck contests.
Hoping Doc was more precautionary
No weeters, no Walsh, no Martin, no Motlop, no marchy, doc off at half time. And up against everyyyyyything; momentum, crowd, umpires….
WOW
Zac unbelievable after so long out
Backline stuck to it - saad awesome, McGovern important, Newman always solid
Crippa’s 3rd quarter as good as it gets
Carrol great
H and Charlie swamped by a very good backline but still kicked 7
No real passengers after a time (maybe fantasia the only one. Ollie and Kennedy weren’t great, but they did enough little things to be given a pass)
Still not sure where that came from!,
I too was pleasantly surprised to see Kennedy take a couple of ruck contests.
Hoping Doc was more precautionary
Has a jarred knee apparently.
We now have genuine belief. How many teams come back from 46 points down when not at full strength at the hardest venue in the comp? Only the very best can achieve that. Our boys know what they are capable of.
Hoping doc is not a serious injury but this game proves beyond any doubt we are a serious threat to add to silverware this year.
Im enjoying my scotch tonight.
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
Was that our greatest EVER comeback? 46 points.
That game really showed that Voss CAN coach.
Well done Harry
Was that our greatest EVER comeback? 46 points.
That game really showed that Voss CAN coach.
Well done Harry
Biggest comeback since round 3 2007. 48 points down against the bombers. Fev kicked 8
Jack Carroll..... come on down!!!
I have to wait for the replay. I'm absolutely thrilled for young Jack. He was Crippa's choice for who will step up this year. Well done 👏🏼
Where did Jack play?
Phark me, from looking like coping a floggin to one of our best wins EVER. Couldn't write this up
I wasn't able to watch but admit I'd given up on them at 7 - 1
I love making a bl%^dy fool of myself like this 🤪
I'm struggling to reconcile the result with ps games and q1. But hey, I'll work on that 🥳
Delighted for Jack Carraoll he is such a talent and deserves more minutes 100% - is he better than Ollie Hollands I'd say yes.
That’s a fairly high bar right there. Jack must have played out of his skin.
I have to wait for the replay. I'm absolutely thrilled for young Jack. He was Crippa's choice for who will step up this year. Well done 👏🏼
Where did Jack play?
He stepped straight into the guts
That loss really stung the Lions. Let's hope it's psychological when playing Carlton.
Be feared by every side.
Fear no side.
He stepped straight into the guts
Wow. Just wow.
Biggest comeback since round 3 2007. 48 points down against the bombers. Fev kicked 8
I remember that game well.
He was goalless just before half time and exploded.
Had BOTH Mal Michael and Dustin Fletcher on him at the same time and they couldnt do a thing to stop him.
Biggest comeback since round 3 2007. 48 points down against the bombers. Fev kicked 8
I remember it well. I was sitting surrounded by Essendon supporters giving to anyone wearing navy blue going into half time. The Fev was majestic.
Is the media going to spend the next month talking about the sodas that Charlie Cameron missed?? Or is that only reserved for H?
Is the media going to spend the next month talking about the sodas that Charlie Cameron missed?? Or is that only reserved for H?
They reserve it for BigH because of the way Carlton fans carry on, Hipwood similar / worse but the media bites it's tongue.
That game was genuine progress.
The best version of BigH must not ruck, we were losing momentum every time TDK went off.
Carroll is a keeper, you can see why we let "what's his name" move on!
1. You only need 1 ruck. You only ever need 1 ruck. Harry, cripps and even Kennedy giving the number 1 ruck a chopout is all you need.
It won't be formulaic as you suggest, some weeks we'll play two, some weeks we won't.
If the umpire had paid that ruck infringement free against Kennedy inside the Lion's F50 in the final minutes you wouldn't be so happy, he was lucky the umps packed up the whistles.
Wow! Thats character! The game was a bit of a blur as I was at a mates place having a few (several) quiet ones. To defend like that for 60 seconds with the ball deep inside their F50 was super impressive. Clearly worked on that scenario and it paid off off.
Pleased to have won. Brisbane kicked something like 5 goals 11 after quarter time. Make it 7 goals 9 and they likely snuff out that comeback and they did miss a bunch of relatively easy shots along the way.
It's a swings and roundabouts game. We didn't play well but the effort was there.
Is Lachie neale a protected species or what? He holds scraps and hits off ball all the time and whilst opponents do it to him, he is happy to dish out. Watch George Hewett get a suspension for that hit.
Biggest comeback since round 3 2007. 48 points down against the bombers. Fev kicked 8
While the 2007 comeback was greater by 2 points it was between 2 bottom tier teams - last nights was a comeback against last years finalist on their home patch. Was an amazing effort
Thought both whipping boys Young and Boyd competed well and held their own.
Williams slotted in like he hasnt missed a beat - gave us ran out of back 50 and uses it well even when in traffic. Has very good vision and does'nt panic
Still cant warm to Fantasia. I trust Voss and will hopefully later in the season will see why we got him in.
Just rewatched the last 6 or so minutes with the kid who went to bed and missed it.
Was reminded of Cameron hitting Gov in the ribs. Is that nor worth a suspension? Intentional, body, medium - 1 week.
Ball was not in his possession, basically over the line, lowered the shoulder and targetted an unprotected player.
It won't be formulaic as you suggest, some weeks we'll play two, some weeks we won't.
If the umpire had paid that ruck infringement free against Kennedy inside the Lion's F50 in the final minutes you wouldn't be so happy, he was lucky the umps packed up the whistles.
No doubt the second ruck debat will again be a feature of this year's commentary. :D :D
It is situational and depends a lot on the quality of your back up ruckman.
Right now Pitto seems to be well off the pace.
But if you had two in-form ruckmen who complemented each other, and brought different things to the game it may be a different story.
Do you play the strong second ruckman or a fringe mid-fielder.
Tom was terrific last night.
He contested well, but the best feature of his game was his follow-up efforts. (Kreuzeresque)
I did think that towards the end of the game he started to tire a bit (understandably) and was mistiming his leaps. Over the length of the season that may be a problem if he continues to be the sole main ruck.
There is a risk with just one ruck.
If Tom had been injured mid-way through the second quarter then last night just doesn't happen.
The burden on the smaller back up rucks takes them away from their main tasks and the opposition ruck still dominates in the contests.
It will always be a case of horses for courses and depend on the form and fitness of that second ruck and the strengths of the opposition.
As for the game, when we're hot we're hot, and when we're not we're cold as ice.
Effort, intensity and contest are the keys to how we go.
As it stands and barring significant injuries I think with the addition of Weitering, Walsh and Martin on the MCG in a final's situation we would be ahead of Brisbane. ;)
The Harry part time ruck concept worked well and two unsung players were Young and Kemp who pregame were concerns in the Key back roles but both did their job.
Excellent win against the odds and most players contributed...
Kudos to Voss for his coaching as matchups were good and banking a tough win like that is worth more than the 4 points IMHO.
No doubt the second ruck debat will again be a feature of this year's commentary. :D :D
It is situational and depends a lot on the quality of your back up ruckman.
Right now Pitto seems to be well off the pace.
But if you had two in-form ruckmen who complemented each other, and brought different things to the game it may be a different story.
Do you play the strong second ruckman or a fringe mid-fielder.
The debate has always been about what is best for the team and team balance.
Pitto and TDK compliment eachother and make eachother better.
....but at the expense of more run and carry.
Against Brisbane, who are the kings of run, carry and fast ball movement, you simply cannot afford the luxury of 2 rucks.
Against lesser teams, you can carry 2 rucks and still be good enough. You could swap TDK and Pitto and ensure you don't burn one out as well.
But ultimately, you will win more games with the team balance we had last night than you will with 2 rucks against the better teams.
The only question mark is over the 'injury to #1 ruck' during the game and how that could have an effect on the result.
Over the course of the year, that may cost you a win.
Over the course of the year, playing 2 rucks will probably cost you more than 1 win.
Play the odds, play 1 ruck.
How did Cripps break his nose? Ch 7 missed it...
Is Lachie neale a protected species or what? He holds scraps and hits off ball all the time and whilst opponents do it to him, he is happy to dish out. Watch George Hewett get a suspension for that hit.
Including pushing Kennedy into crippas legs and potentially breaking both of crippas legs, early on
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
Struck me similarly. No acknowledgement of us and how we played.
His use of stats was a red herring as they were amortized over the entire game and boosted enormously by their dominant first qtr and a half. Not a very classy presentation from Fagan.
Including pushing Kennedy into crippas legs and potentially breaking both of crippas legs, early on
wins free kicks for looking in his direction too
Thought both whipping boys Young and Boyd competed well and held their own.
Williams slotted in like he hasnt missed a beat - gave us ran out of back 50 and uses it well even when in traffic. Has very good vision and does'nt panic
Still cant warm to Fantasia. I trust Voss and will hopefully later in the season will see why we got him in.
I felt Fantasia was much more involved than Owies.
wins free kicks for looking in his direction too
I reckon the game was very well umpired last night. I thought we got the rub of the green and the ball bounced our way quite a few times also.
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Fogarty's forward defensive pressure was really good.
9 tackles was our best for the night.
Ollie Hollands was quiet, but he had 8 as well.
I felt Fantasia was much more involved than Owies.
Agree. Fantasia's smarts and disposal in tight were influential. Owies was probably our only 'not quite up to it' player.
Hollands, whose tireless work; defensive work, was terrific... however, he's got to become less fumbly and surer with his hands.
Crippa, Cera & Hewett were outstanding. Really well supported by Chugga and J Carroll - who looked like he belonged. Announced himself.
Good to see Cunners going in hard with his body at times when required.
Entire back-line deserves plaudits. (Pleasantly surprised by Young. Kempy tough and hard).
TDK's work was great. Hard at it. 2nd/3rd efforts, terrific.
H... silenced the glib and shallow critics in the best way possible.
Fogarty... tougher than a cat's head. Valuable. When he tackles someone, they remain tackled.
47pt turnaround speaks for itself about belief, persistence, endeavour, pressure and connection... when we bring our 'brand.'
Kinda feels like a 'bonus' 4pts considering where we played, conditions and an elite opposition. Go Blues!
Loved how we mixed up ruck contests a little... bravo to whoever thought of this... well done H, Chugga and Crippa.
The debate has always been about what is best for the team and team balance.
Pitto and TDK compliment eachother and make eachother better.
....but at the expense of more run and carry.
Against Brisbane, who are the kings of run, carry and fast ball movement, you simply cannot afford the luxury of 2 rucks.
Against lesser teams, you can carry 2 rucks and still be good enough. You could swap TDK and Pitto and ensure you don't burn one out as well.
But ultimately, you will win more games with the team balance we had last night than you will with 2 rucks against the better teams.
The only question mark is over the 'injury to #1 ruck' during the game and how that could have an effect on the result.
Over the course of the year, that may cost you a win.
Over the course of the year, playing 2 rucks will probably cost you more than 1 win.
Play the odds, play 1 ruck.
I'm more a one ruck fan. Whether Harry is great in the ruck or not i'm not so worried. He kills it around the ground and take him away from the confines of the goalsquare. That is more valuable plus it seems to do him good like it did for Levi. Then you can pick an extra runner.
Round zero specialists. Never been beaten in round nothing..lol.
I'm more a one ruck fan. Whether Harry is great in the ruck or not i'm not so worried. He kills it around the ground and take him away from the confines of the goalsquare. That is more valuable plus it seems to do him good like it did for Levi. Then you can pick an extra runner.
Harry's a +200cm lightning fast KPF who takes contested marks in F50 when the heat is on, late in the game when TDK was rucking and we wanted to put heat around the footy he was even roving the stoppages at speed to bring a physical presence.
But after the game his first comment when asked about rucking was his shins are sore, and sore shins are a pre-cursor to a knee(PCL) and even a minor PCL will smash acceleration.
Like Cripps use him in the F50 at throw ins and ball ups, but the centre square stuff send chills down my spine, the benefit is so small and the risk is so high!
We will divide up ruck duties across the season, there will be weeks when pace isn't the priority issue, and it was clearly the issue last finals and last night, we even mentioned it in the pre-game thread that some of the selections can be explained by a need for pace. Other weeks we'll want size or strength around stoppages or a ruck option that floats a kick behind or into D50 which Pitto does far better than others.
So it mostly depends more on opposition strengths and weaknesses, more than our own, as we now have depth we can leverage. We won't become formulaic, because if we do we are predictable and that is the worst thing an AFL team can be.
great we won with a bit of luck lions kick 1 goal 6 ,they had 61 f 50 entries ,for me there is so many areas that has not changed from past, that really makes our game plan so predictable but a 1pt win covers everything i suppose.
Playing Brisbane at the Gabba is the hardest game in football - we won't need to see that ground again minimum 12 months if we finish top two
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton 💪 It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.
That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton 💪 It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.
Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
Agree....Lions had no excuses, we were down on key troops and they were at their fortress where they usually win....no premiership for Brisbane this season and he will be looking for a job at seasons end imo.
Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"
Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.
I think that only diehard supporters, the coaches and the playing group thought that a win was possible, particularly in Brisbane and with the conditions during the game.
We had some moments in the first quarter but they were overshadowed by our errors and Brisbane's ability to make us pay. The second quarter started off the same way but we worked our way back into the game and the momentum was with us at half time. The premiership quarter was ours and we showed great character and resilience to to get the lead back and protect it in an even last quarter.
Young, Kemp, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Boyd and Williams were under immense pressure but they all stuck to their guns and can be very proud of their efforts. And Charlie Curnow did well in his brief defensive cameo. It's easy to see why Vossy was so keen to get Williams back in the team. Youngy and Kempy were under the pump from some supporters but both answered their critics in fine style.
Tom De Koning was outstanding in the ruck but he seemed to tire in the last quarter and the Big O got back into the game. If Tom's game is any guide, Pitto will have limited opportunities this season. Harry McKay's work as second ruck was very good and he negated Daniher in what has become an important part of the latter's game. Harry taking clean possession twice at centre bounces is not really what you'd expect from a part time ruckman and his presence around the ground was very influential. He did concede post game that he may have to start wearing a shin guard.
Carroll was good when he came on and it was good to see him thrown straight into the thick of it; if you're good enough to make the 23, you're good enough to go straight to the coalface.
Owies looked short of a gallop and I though that he and Fantasia were the least effective of our forwards. Fogarty, Cuningham and Cottrell all made solid contributions.
I was a bit concerned about Ollie Hollands as he seemed very fumbly and lacking confidence. However, he tackled often and with intent and that 's a positive.
Harry answered his critics with some excellent kicking for goal and very good field kicking. It was interesting to hear Charlie have a crack at the media for their unhealthy interest in Harry's kicking. Vossy went even further in his presser and it will be a brave reporter who dares to ask him the next question about Harry's kicking.
How good was Newey's long bomb into the forward 50? Brisbane's tall defenders had a pretty good night but that kick had Harry's name written all over it from the moment it left Newey's boot.
As EB mentioned, that's four points in the bank. It's also a boost to our self-belief and will sow the seeds of doubt in opposition clubs.
Finally, what about the Blues Brothers? Magnificent!
Agree....Lions had no excuses, we were down on key troops and they were at their fortress where they usually win....no premiership for Brisbane this season and he will be looking for a job at seasons end imo.
A bit early to write off Brizvegas.
Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.
I reckon they'd add some pace to our lineup EB. Even Weiters has got a bit of toe.
Didn't think we were going to win going into the game and was certain we were going to lose 15 minutes into the second quarter. I had started watching Midsummer Murders rather than Gabbasummer Murders. I am almost convinced the team and the Club may have turned the corner.
Winners win because they win. It is a cultural thing. To some extent it doesn't matter who is out there but whether they are going to have a go and not give up. After the Elliot debacle I spoke to David McKay and said what I wanted was a team that had a go. It didn't mean that much in the short term whether they won or lost as long as they had a go. Since the 20 odd year since the changeover I am not sure this has been the case. I didn't think the players were having a go before the demise of Elliot as well.
Well done Young and Kemp on holding those two key position posts allowing McGovern to be creative off half back. Well done Saad for playing a close checking game on Cameron which isn't his natural game. Well done to Jack Carroll his game was a revelation.
What I had wanted was for us to really turn up and make a contest of the game. Playing Brisbane at the Gabba and without seven players who could be in our best 23 I thought we would be up against it and after watching the practice match against Melbourne and our past record of being satisfied with mediocrity, I really had my doubts. Obviously after watching Melbourne Thursday night it is clear practice match form is not a good guide. That first quarter and a bit where we couldn't lay a tackle was a worry but once the initial pace went off and the humidity started making the conditions more slippery which suits our style of game, the players really turned it around.
I said before the game that Brisbane defence can be scored against which turned out to be so in the third quarter, but I also think they are more of a team of individuals than the other top sides and I also think that the enjoy handing out the little whacks and back handers in match but tend to take umbrage when other sides respond and they seem to lose concentration and go off script. They have been in the finals the past five years without making an impact so clearly something is wrong.
Watching Carlton in the 60's under Barassi and in the 70's under Jezza was great because they would always fight. The 1970 Grand Final and those third quarter blitzes don't just come about. They are built on the foundations of earlier seasons. We may have the opportunity to do something special.
Finally a big shout out to the hoards of Blues Brothers in the stands. They give our Club a point of difference.
Agree. Fantasia's smarts and disposal in tight were influential. Owies was probably our only 'not quite up to it' player.
Hollands, whose tireless work; defensive work, was terrific... however, he's got to become less fumbly and surer with his hands.
Crippa, Cera & Hewett were outstanding. Really well supported by Chugga and J Carroll - who looked like he belonged. Announced himself.
Good to see Cunners going in hard with his body at times when required.
Entire back-line deserves plaudits. (Pleasantly surprised by Young. Kempy tough and hard).
TDK's work was great. Hard at it. 2nd/3rd efforts, terrific.
H... silenced the glib and shallow critics in the best way possible.
Fogarty... tougher than a cat's head. Valuable. When he tackles someone, they remain tackled.
47pt turnaround speaks for itself about belief, persistence, endeavour, pressure and connection... when we bring our 'brand.'
Kinda feels like a 'bonus' 4pts considering where we played, conditions and an elite opposition. Go Blues!
Agree with that except dunno about Cunners. Has speed and is very skilful especially his finishing however, he just seems to me to play the game in a way that matches his demeanour. Quiet, enigmatic sometimes lackadaisical and shows very little emotion. I like to think he makes us better, but I'm not sure he actually does.
Agree with that except dunno about Cunners. Has speed and is very skilful especially his finishing however, he just seems to me to play the game in a way that matches his demeanour. Quiet, enigmatic sometimes lackadaisical and shows very little emotion. I like to think he makes us better, but I'm not sure he actually does.
A bit like Bryce Gibbs!
Vossy wouldn't have Cuners in the team if wasn't working his butt off but he does give the impression that he's cruising.
A bit like Bryce Gibbs!
Vossy wouldn't have Cuners in the team if wasn't working his butt off but he does give the impression that he's cruising.
Sort of like Gibba, he showed emotion when he played. Cunners gives nothing. Make no mistake, when he is on, he oozes class and I reckon that's the main reason he's in the side.
Harry's a +200cm lightning fast KPF who takes contested marks in F50 when the heat is on, late in the game when TDK was rucking and we wanted to put heat around the footy he was even roving the stoppages at speed to bring a physical presence.
But after the game his first comment when asked about rucking was his shins are sore, and sore shins are a pre-cursor to a knee(PCL) and even a minor PCL will smash acceleration.
Like Cripps use him in the F50 at throw ins and ball ups, but the centre square stuff send chills down my spine, the benefit is so small and the risk is so high!
We will divide up ruck duties across the season, there will be weeks when pace isn't the priority issue, and it was clearly the issue last finals and last night, we even mentioned it in the pre-game thread that some of the selections can be explained by a need for pace. Other weeks we'll want size or strength around stoppages or a ruck option that floats a kick behind or into D50 which Pitto does far better than others.
So it mostly depends more on opposition strengths and weaknesses, more than our own, as we now have depth we can leverage. We won't become formulaic, because if we do we are predictable and that is the worst thing an AFL team can be.
Nothing helps a key forward more than having a run on the ball occasionally. Nothing like getting away from multiple defenders and getting your hands on the ball running about on your own. Needs to wear pads around the shins if rucking. Daniher does a great job as 2nd ruck for Brisbane. If you can have an extra runner going round that's a bonus. Better than having someone with fewer touches that can just win a few tap outs.
I reckon the game was very well umpired last night. I thought we got the rub of the green and the ball bounced our way quite a few times also.
Adam saads drag in holding the ball was a gifted goal and he wasn't the one dragging it in. Neale has a separate set of rules, and our boys get pinged a lot for stuff others get away with.
Adam saads drag in holding the ball was a gifted goal and he wasn't the one dragging it in. Neale has a separate set of rules, and our boys get pinged a lot for stuff others get away with.
Im not suggesting mistakes don't get made, they happen every week, human error. I think last nights game was good from an umpiring perspective. The bold bit is utter nonsense.
Im not suggesting mistakes don't get made, they happen every week, human error. I think last nights game was good from an umpiring perspective. The bold bit is utter nonsense.
No it's not. You disagree with it. Nonsense is the way you've attacked someone else's opinion you disagree with.
No it's not. You disagree with it. Nonsense is the way you've attacked someone else's opinion you disagree with.
Attacked? Hardly. And sorry but it is nonsense to suggest there are separate rules for a particular player.
Adam saads drag in holding the ball was a gifted goal and he wasn't the one dragging it in.
I think the problem is too many umpires, the more umpires they have the wider the decision variation from event to event.
When Saad was pinged, if it's the event I recall, the umpire was guessing. Why, because the umpire who made the call was directly behind the players and couldn't see which player dragged the ball back.
Watching the replay and see Neale's dog acts that others have referenced.
- dumping Saad outside of play was aggressive and unnecessary
- held Kennedy in a chicken wing to stop his influence, then pushed him into Crippa's lega. Simply dirty deeds..
- his "what about me" gesturing to umps was most unbecoming
Respect dwindling for mine
- q2 pulling the ball back in under a Crippa tackle ignored by a nearby umpire!!!
Sheesh
Cameron is a sh$t kick for goal
A bit early to write off Brizvegas.
Im writing off the coach if they dont win the Premiership....and they cant do that because we will win it..
I reckon they'd add some pace to our lineup EB. Even Weiters has got a bit of toe.
Not sure I agree DJ......I reckon the one area JW can be found out is with a quicker player who leads well.
I can't see them sacking Fagan if he gets another top 4 finish.
Miss the eight (and that's pretty unlikely) and he'd be gone.
I can't see them sacking Fagan if he gets another top 4 finish.
Miss the eight (and that's pretty unlikely) and he'd be gone.
Been there since 2017 as coach ......have built a decent list, cant win at the MCG, think his contract runs out in 2025.
Cant see him lasting that extra season if they dont win the flag, most media scribes have them as favourites which creates extra pressure too..
How many clubs sack a coach after a top 4 finish for performance reasons.
I know we do :D
But others???
I think Fagan is still good with the group, I wouldn’t move him on.
Attacked? Hardly. And sorry but it is nonsense to suggest there are separate rules for a particular player.
nonsense.
Stars get different treatment. Everyone knows it, they get a discount at the tribunal and they get away with things others can't because the afl likes the star factor. Some of them get harshly done by, in contrast. Not sure why it is but it's very subjective and everyone knows it.
When the umps were blowing heavily Brisbane's way they built a 46 point lead.
They are capable of influencing results. They evened it up a bit later on with them giving us a lot of leeway late in the game.
Just because you disagree with a sentiment doesn't make it nonsense, and dusty got away with head high contact fend off's for most of his career. It wasn't until eds larynx that people noticed.
Not sure I agree DJ......I reckon the one area JW can be found out is with a quicker player who leads well.
In terms of closing speed Weiters is OK, high acceleration is very different for different players, the combination of being elite in both is as rare as rocking horse sh1t.
One of the reasons I do not want BigH rucking is that he has above average acceleration and also good straight line top speed. He can create a gap and run down opponents. People seem to not give the rarity of one player of 200cm with both of those attributes enough respect. The one way we can diminish his career and wreck our huge advantage is have him busted up by a Nankervis or Goldstein type.
On our D50, one of the reasons McGovern has worked so well is that he has that high acceleration combined with good reach and overhead capacity. In combination with Weiters they are every bit as good as May and Lever, and as yet our lot haven't been a defensive duo for half as long.
Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.
I think you have to include agility in the acceleration and speed combination to understand how we clawed back that result on Friday, if I said Weiters lacked one area it would be agility, but he is not alone for blokes that size, which is lucky for Charlie Curnow.
I just re-watched the game and I think it's clear we were at our best when TDK rucked with BigH as high forward and Charlie deep or wide. Then we have the luxury of the odd change up, but not so many rotations as we become predictable / systematic.
As I see it, when BigH rucks not only do we put him at risk, but Charlie then has to deal with extra KPD numbers. But when BigH gets mobile as a forward he draws players far enough out of F50 that they can't flood back onto Charlie, provided we move the ball fast enough. When BigH rucks Charlie loses that leveller, things might be different if Martin returns, but some weeks it will be horses for courses and we will go smaller or taller accordingly.
Watching the game again Doc got 6 kicks in the 2nd qtr with a stuffed ACL and meniscus. Sometimes they hurt but sometime times you feel no extensive pain. No wonder they were shocked when they found the extent of his injury.
ACL's are overrated...lol.
Agree with that except dunno about Cunners. Has speed and is very skilful especially his finishing however, he just seems to me to play the game in a way that matches his demeanour. Quiet, enigmatic sometimes lackadaisical and shows very little emotion. I like to think he makes us better, but I'm not sure he actually does.
Cunners reminds me Houlihan, very skillful and seems to have heaps of time but also very laconic, almost lazy looking.
That's what classy players can look like.
Cunners reminds me Houlihan, very skillful and seems to have heaps of time but also very laconic, almost lazy looking.
That's what classy players can look like.
Yes, the comparison with Hoops is probably a lot closer than mine with Gibba.
Agree. Fantasia's smarts and disposal in tight were influential. Owies was probably our only 'not quite up to it' player. - Looked good and assured in traffic. First real game in over 12 months I think. Can only get better if he can stay on the park.
Hollands, whose tireless work; defensive work, was terrific... however, he's got to become less fumbly and surer with his hands. - Agreed. Has a big heart for the contest and has no fear.
Crippa, Cera & Hewett were outstanding. Really well supported by Chugga and J Carroll - who looked like he belonged. Announced himself. - Long time coming for Carroll. Should get a few more games this year. Was highly touted when we picked him up.
Good to see Cunners going in hard with his body at times when required. - Agreed and if he kicked straight could of had 3 goals at least.
Entire back-line deserves plaudits. (Pleasantly surprised by Young. Kempy tough and hard). - Agreed. Held it together and Young looked back to his best from 2 years ago. A real bonus if he can keep the form up.
TDK's work was great. Hard at it. 2nd/3rd efforts, terrific. - Kruzer MK 2.
H... silenced the glib and shallow critics in the best way possible. - Agreed
Fogarty... tougher than a cat's head. Valuable. When he tackles someone, they remain tackled. - The one that stood out to me was the tackle on MCINERNEY. Had some help but i don't think he needed it.
47pt turnaround speaks for itself about belief, persistence, endeavour, pressure and connection... when we bring our 'brand.' - Wife's birthday on Friday so we were out and saw the first half on the big screed. Was about to throw my beer at the screen but thought second off it and drank it instead. Kept an eye on the score when we got home and was rapped they got up after thinking we had no hope in hell of winning.
Kinda feels like a 'bonus' 4pts considering where we played, conditions and an elite opposition. Go Blues!
Watching the game again Doc got 6 kicks in the 2nd qtr with a stuffed ACL and meniscus. Sometimes they hurt but sometime times you feel no extensive pain. No wonder they were shocked when they found the extent of his injury.
ACL's are overrated...lol.
Assessment for ACLs are overrated!
I had my own experience of rupturing my ACL, torn meniscis, and some other damage. Physio said ACL's ok, here's the exercises and off I went. A year later (pain, ltd sleep etc), my only option was a total knee replacement.
Doc will have the best care available and continue to be a leader. I'd love to see him pull on the guernsey again 🤞
If anyone can. Doc can
I think you have to include agility in the acceleration and speed combination to understand how we clawed back that result on Friday, if I said Weiters lacked one area it would be agility, but he is not alone for blokes that size, which is lucky for Charlie Curnow.
The player I have seem him struggle with is Larkey from Nth Melbourne who doesnt attempt to wrestle in the goal square which is Weiterings forte but leads up the ground and doesnt mind taking his shots from further out as he is an excellent converter.
Watching the game again Doc got 6 kicks in the 2nd qtr with a stuffed ACL and meniscus. Sometimes they hurt but sometime times you feel no extensive pain. No wonder they were shocked when they found the extent of his injury.
ACL's are overrated...lol.
Told this story a few times, but hurt my knee, went to the Docs, got scans 'all clear'. Hurt like hell for a fwe days. Couldn't walk properly for a week.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again. Less pain. Didn't go to the docs because ...why....gonna tell me the same thing.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again, this time it was full on, knee completely sideways to the rest of my body, slingshot me over it, peoples eyes popping out of their head watching it as it looked horrorfying. Casually hobbled off. 5 minutes later, no pain at all. Just a bit swollen and hard to flex. Went to the docs, went to the specialist. Yep, did my acl the first time, scans just didn't pick it.
Fast forward 20+ years later, still haven't had surgery. Still active enough, just had to change the way i walk/turn and jump/land etc. Obviously nothing overly strenuous.
But.....i'm more active than others my age and you can't tell i'm missing my ACL (and whatever other damage i have in there as well).
Ran 25km great ocean road ultra half marathon and various other races in good time. Tough Mudder, tough bloke challenge, spartan....all that stuff.
You learn to live without an ACL, its not the end of the world, and yes, overrated.
Assessment for ACLs are overrated!
I had my own experience of rupturing my ACL, torn meniscis, and some other damage. Physio said ACL's ok, here's the exercises and off I went. A year later (pain, ltd sleep etc), my only option was a total knee replacement.
Doc will have the best care available and continue to be a leader. I'd love to see him pull on the guernsey again 🤞
If anyone can. Doc can
While I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek the only way to fix an ACL is a reco. Otherwise just huge instability can wreck the meniscus completely. Some can go without it, other have the meniscus ripped right up.
Told this story a few times, but hurt my knee, went to the Docs, got scans 'all clear'. Hurt like hell for a fwe days. Couldn't walk properly for a week.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again. Less pain. Didn't go to the docs because ...why....gonna tell me the same thing.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again, this time it was full on, knee completely sideways to the rest of my body, slingshot me over it, peoples eyes popping out of their head watching it as it looked horrorfying. Casually hobbled off. 5 minutes later, no pain at all. Just a bit swollen and hard to flex. Went to the docs, went to the specialist. Yep, did my acl the first time, scans just didn't pick it.
Fast forward 20+ years later, still haven't had surgery. Still active enough, just had to change the way i walk/turn and jump/land etc. Obviously nothing overly strenuous.
But.....i'm more active than others my age and you can't tell i'm missing my ACL (and whatever other damage i have in there as well).
Ran 25km great ocean road ultra half marathon and various other races in good time. Tough Mudder, tough bloke challenge, spartan....all that stuff.
You learn to live without an ACL, its not the end of the world, and yes, overrated.
Some are good, like you were, where you were also able to re-train yourself very successfully, strengthen the right areas, others though the instability can rip their meniscus up completely. Those Winter Olympians are often competing without and ACL, a few medalists among them. The Olympics are just too important to them to miss. They just strap it up and stabilise it the best way they can and retain themselves for the competition. The ACL rupture is common amongst those extreme competitors.
Reckon the pain Doc may have had by half time was the meniscus. Seems he had no idea he had an ACL rupture as he was still running around and got 6 possessions, 5 marks, for the qtr like nothing had happened.
While I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek the only way to fix an ACL is a reco. Otherwise just huge instability can wreck the meniscus completely. Some can go without it, other have the meniscus ripped right up.
Yes, I got that 😉
Mine was the latter unfortunately. Meniscus was so diminished that I was bone on bone with osteo setting in. The worse part was taking the PT assessment without question 😕
The only things left in decent condition of my left knee were the cruciate ligaments. But they're gone now. Metal and plastic taking their place. Still not to where the doc thought I'd be. Very not-fun experience.
It was interesting to compare the coaches. Fagan coached from the box so it’s not the same context but they were very different.
Vossy was on the go the whole time; interacting with players, assistants, etc, reacting to things on the field, looking at stats and generally involving himself in the game.
The shots of Fagan generally followed a significant play and we didn’t see as much of him. What we did see bore a striking resemblance to a stunned mullet.
I know there’s not much coaches can do once the game starts but Vossy’s coaching style resonates with the playing group and must reinforce their self belief.
Fagan’s presser reinforced my impression that he was wrong-footed by our resilience and found it difficult to comprehend our superiority from the last part of the second quarter. I think that he’s a better coach when he coaches from the bench.
I always think Vossy is more of a coach/non -playing captain who is riding the bumps with the boys and responding in real time as to how the game is unfolding. Other coaching staff probably take note of and discuss the more strategic aspects with him later.
Lachie Neale....making friends again. King of the squealers. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth would it?
I always think Vossy is more of a coach/non -playing captain who is riding the bumps with the boys and responding in real time as to how the game is unfolding. Other coaching staff probably take note of and discuss the more strategic aspects with him later.
Good pick-up Fluffy One. A real 'hands on' senior coach. Love it. And when you have the kind of respect -- factoring in his playing achievements -- from the players that Vossy obviously has, its a real play to your strengths coaching strategy.