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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
The first issue we faced with Fantasia was getting him on the park.
Having achieved that, it's keeping him on the park.
The next is how much he can contribute, and that may need to be assessed with some time in VFL  as well as AFL

It's nothing special at the moment, but we are only halfway through the year.

I said earlier that I noticed him more on Thursday than in previous games but
That may be as good as it gets or...

It may be he's gradually working his way into the team structure and into some form.
Or it may just fizzle out and see him play the year in the VFL.

Pressure for his spot needs to come from below, and 15 minutes into the first at VFL level today there not much coming.

(Getting better now)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by PaulP -
Having thought about it a little more, Goldstein v Pittonet and De Koning v Wright could work well. Two lumbering rucks going head to head and two mobile, hybrid ruck / forwards doing the same. Looking forward to this one probably more than any game thus far.

EDIT : a couple of days extra rest and Essendon traveling back from the Gold Coast should also help us.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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I was having a read of the "Welcome to Carlton- Orazio Fantasia" thread.

Most of the concern seemed to be more centered around his durability.
Could we get him on the park and keep him on it?
Well with 9 games so that doesn't seem to be the issue.
So it's more about form

Lots of varying opinions as to the value of the pick-up.

@Kruddler....you definitely weren't a fan posting this a day or two before we picked him up. :D  :D

Probably a  bit much ;)
 :))  :))
You sure there's not just  a little bit of bias in your assessment ;)  :D

Ha Ha.

Go back to the best 22 thread (part 1?) and i think you'll find i backed the MC in and had him in my best 22. ;)

My issue with 'players' have always been around the role they play when picked. Not themselves as people.
I've been banging the same drum for half a decade or more in regards to picking up a key back (or 3) until we get one that can perform the role long term.

My issue is when we ignore that and take players in positions NOT in need. Fantasia falls into that category.
We delisted Honey and picked up Fantasia. What has he brought us that Honey wasn't? People were very critical of Honey, to the point they pushed him out the door, yet same people are sticking by him. Why?

We recruited small runners in the off-season.
We recruited a small runner in the MSD
We will recruit 2 small runners in the upcoming ND with the campo twins.
THIS is my frustration with the recruitment of Fantasia.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Essendon are actually fairly tall up forward, I think Langford will pose a similar threat to Georgiades did last game, leads well and is a long accurate kick and will probably get Kemp for company given the Essendon player is 6'4.
Newman would be my man to take Stringer, might get under his skin and given he is a high possession winner can also make Stringer work hard to defend him on the rebound.
That leaves Jones for McGovern....bit of a size difference but our man has a lot more experience and might be more comfortable doing his rebound stuff on an inexperienced player.
Weitering will have to take Wright and then Goldstein when he rests forward, you could probably mount a case for Young this week given we are outsized down back, hopefully Charlie and Harry are on and can use their size advantage down the other end...
Id be putting time into Martin and Ridley too....the latter cant be allowed to mark dump kicks uncontested and the former has been getting ridiculous high stats playing half back and being allowed to run free and use the footy which he does well.
Bit of a tactical challenge this week for Voss vs B Scott this week and selection and onball matchups will be key....Cincotta to Merrett is a no brainer imo.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
I was having a read of the "Welcome to Carlton- Orazio Fantasia" thread.

Most of the concern seemed to be more centered around his durability.
Could we get him on the park and keep him on it?
Well with 9 games so that doesn't seem to be the issue.
So it's more about form

Lots of varying opinions as to the value of the pick-up.

@Kruddler....you definitely weren't a fan posting this a day or two before we picked him up. :D  :D

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Reply #65 – October 30, 2023, 01:56:22 pm
It means we have a day or so to break his legs so we don't sign him. >:D

Too much?  :-[

Probably a  bit much ;)
 :))  :))
You sure there's not just  a little bit of bias in your assessment ;)  :D


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by northernblue -
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On the MC issue I don't even get why we keep starting Carroll as Sub while Fantasia's output is so low, or why we dropped Binns after hardly any opportunity. Surely our MC aren't suggestingf Fantasia is a deeper runner than Binns?

Ahh, we finally have an honest answer…
We the great unwashed have no idea, yet there is a method to the selection and it may just be that he’s a mature body with a good footy IQ of games and patterns.
Maybe with the form and availability of anyone that view will change but until then he’s performing something better than anyone else is expected to able to do.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by DJC -
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Fans wouldn't accept Lang or O'Brien not entering the fray, why do they accept Fantasia?

I mustn’t be paying as much attention as you because I can’t recall Fantasia (or O’Brien for that matter - I don’t remember how Lang played) “not entering the fray”.  I have noticed him and many of his teammates no doubt following instructions and staying outside the contest to receive a pass or disrupt an opposition play.

I suspect that a player who didn’t enter the fray when required would lose Vossy’s respect and would struggle to get a game in the Magoos.

Fantasia is well-entrenched among the bottom 3 or 4 players in our 23 and probably wouldn’t be picked if we had more fit players to choose from.  The fact of the matter is that he is in our best available 23 for now and is doing the job set for him.

For some fans, that makes him an ideal whipping boy 🤣