RICHMOND v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 11 – 17/06/2018 12:00PM
Swinburne Centre
Richmond
B: 78. D. Coffield, 42. R. Garthwaite, 39. N. Drummond
HB: 32. C. Ellis, 46. B. Miller, 37. C. Menadue
C: 45. P. Naish, 26. A. Miles, 64. T. Silvestro
HF: 29. S. Bolton, 38. N. Balta, 44. T. Stengle
F: 58. J. Aarts, 40. C. Coleman-Jones, 21. J. Townsend
R: 47. I. Soldo, 48. L. Baker, 57. B. Wood
Int: 55. R. Bathie, 79. W. Coates, 67. B. Credlin, 73. J. Ernest, 74. R. Hayward, 52. S. Mannagh, 62. M. O’Sullivan, 59. H. Tanner
23P: 68. C. Riley
In: W. Coates, C. Riley , A. Miles, M. O’Sullivan, B. Credlin, B. Wood, C. Menadue, H. Tanner, I. Soldo
Out: C. Thompson, S. Lloyd, J. Ballard, O. Markov, D. Rioli
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 41. A. Silvagni, 49. A. Schumacher
HB: 29. J. Hill, 25. K. Keppel, 45. M. Shaw
C: 51. A. Mullett, 2. C. Polson, 13. C. O’Shea
HF: 38. K. LeBois, 5. T. De Koning, 3. J. Palmer
F: 54. J. Garlett, 36. M. Lobbe, 60. J. Pickett
R: 34. A. Phillips, 20. M. Kennedy, 1. T. Wilson
Int: 9. S. Fisher, 43. J. Glass-McCasker, 22. C. McCabe, 56. C. McDaid, 12. B. Myers, 35. M. Stavrou
23P: 65. J. Naylor
Our team is much stronger this week with the return of Alex Silvagni, Jarred Pickett, Matthew Kennedy and even young Cillian McDaid. LeBois and O'Shea also add something to the team ad Phillips is there in the ruck.
On the other hand, Richmond is also close to full strength, Miles usually stars against us and Soldo has learnt how to be a ruckman. His strength is something Phillips has not done well against as yet
I really hope to see a big improvement in the competitiveness of the team this weekend. It won't be long before guys like Silvagni, Pickett and Kennedy will be up for promotion, but at this point they all need game time.
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Great to get some guys back from injury. Particularly Pickett, really have missed what he offers in the seniors. And would be great to get Kennedy in to give our midfield another rotation. Only if fully fit of course.
Also want to get in Miles ear and get him across for more depth
What's happened to Hampson, is he injured again?
That's a very nice looking forward line there, Pickett, Garlett & LeBois, I would love to hear after the game that we laid 20 forward 50 tackles.
Is there a live stream today, I need some more pain because I have been a very naughty boy >:D
Is there a live stream today, I need some more pain because I have been a very naughty boy >:D
I believe there is no live stream of this game, at least that is what the club posted on it's website.
I believe there is no live stream of this game, at least that is what the club posted on it's website.
Their is a god...
Silvagni has done a knee apparently, De Konning playing well.
3rd q update : Rich 42, NB 19.
Like I said, CFC has 4 teams, all crap. Something or someone(s) much higher up than Bolton stinks.
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Kennedy getting plenty of it, so one positive for the weekend.
Look at the televised game today. Never seen anything like that...lol
Almost unplayable. Taken the cameras off the scaffolding as it's too dangerous. Williamstown, What a place to play today..lol.
That's a very nice looking forward line there, Pickett, Garlett & LeBois, I would love to hear after the game that we laid 20 forward 50 tackles.
You might. You should see the weather. It'll be all tackling..lol.
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DISPOSALS: Kennedy 21, Fisher 19, Wilson 17, Hill 17, Mullett 14, De Koning 11. #Northbound #PJVFL #SockIt2MND
Right now down 79-51, 15 min last qtr.
You might. You should see the weather. It'll be all tackling..lol.
Are you there Laj, or have you got hold of a pirate feed?
Silvagni has done a knee apparently, De Konning playing well.
What further disasters could be get?
Welcome to the coaches' box, Alex. :(
What further disasters could be get?
Welcome to the coaches' box, Alex. :(
All jokes aside, a club cannot have that many relatives in it's structure it's not a healthy long term situation!
All jokes aside, a club cannot have that many relatives in it's structure it's not a healthy long term situation!
I can understand what you are on about and I agree in general principal. However, Alex Silvagni has been mentoring some of our younger defenders and is apparently highly thought of. I can see him continuing that, and it not being considered nepotism.
Are you there Laj, or have you got hold of a pirate feed?
No, actually home watching Willy v Sandringham on TV. I have never seen anything like what I am watching. 0.5.5 Sandy v Willy 0.0.0 qtr time. Sandy had the wind and even with it can't kick 30m. One kick near ended up a a goal as it turned sideways all of a sudden through the air.
All over and not even close to what we needed. What another sh*thouse weekend, with all 3 teams that played losing.
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DISPOSALS: Fisher 28, Kennedy 27, Wilson 25, Hill 22, Mullett 19, Schumacher 17.
We lost 92-54.
Obviously easier playing at Punt Road than Williamstown...lol.
Three of the top 5 ball winners are not AFL listed,
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With a senior team being smacked all over the park by the also rans, and opportunities-a-plenty for spots in the seniors up for grabs, that is the real horror!
A report from a Carlton man at the game tells me that Kennedy will definitely play V Collingwood but that no one else put their hand up except maybe De Konning.
Apparently McDaid showed enough to suggest that he's a prospect but he's next season at the earliest.
Can anyone confirm the injury to ACOS ? I can't find anything in the twitter feed, albeit I did go through it pretty quickly.
Thanks
All over and not even close to what we needed. What another sh*thouse weekend, with all 3 teams that played losing.
Can't argue with that :-[
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-17/goalless-zebras-make-unwanted-vfl-history
Tough day for Sando.
Can anyone confirm the injury to ACOS ? I can't find anything in the twitter feed, albeit I did go through it pretty quickly.
Thanks
Would be really sad if he had a serious knee injury, liked what little we have seen of him, injuries have certainly halter end our growth to same degree
Would be really sad if he had a serious knee injury, liked what little we have seen of him, injuries have certainly halter end our growth to same degree
Yes, still no real news. The club website simply says that both O'Shea and ACOS did not return after half time due to injury.
RICHMOND VFL 3.5 4.10 10.13 13.14 (92)
NORTHERN BLUES 0.2 2.7 3.8 7.12 (54)
GOALS
Northern Blues: Wilson 2, Garlett, Kennedy, Lobbe, Naylor, Palmer
BESTS
Northern Blues: Wilson, Hill, De Koning, Kennedy, Phillips, Fisher
This makes ugly reading.
Fisher might be worth a rookie spot, he gets enough of the ball and he's only 20.
No word yet on the injury to ACOS.
No word yet on the injury to ACOS.
Ruptured his achilles. Gone for the year. :(
Ruptured his achilles. Gone for the year. :(
Tragic - he deserves better. Turns 31 in September and could be the end of his career.
Ruptured his achilles. Gone for the year. :(
Thanks. One player I have been waiting to see in the seniors. I love what he brings. That's just sh1t news.
Poor guy. Shame we didn't get him 6 or 7 years ago.
Bummer!!
Another example of our medical incompetence? He's been out with a sore achilles, they bring him back too early and he ruptures it. Sounds to me like amateur hour continues in our medical room. How many of our players are we going to do this to before questions get asked?
I don’t know if he was brought back too early, I also don’t know if Kruizer was played when injured, Kennedy, Murphy... etc.
Maybe our desperate situation “required” those risks, maybe it was inept of us, I don’t know, but it should be looked at come end of season.
Another example of our medical incompetence?
Or recruiting?
I don’t know if he was brought back too early, I also don’t know if Kruizer was played when injured, Kennedy, Murphy... etc.
Maybe our desperate situation “required” those risks, maybe it was inept of us, I don’t know, but it should be looked at come end of season.
Similarly, I'm not sure about it, but what I do see is that we could potentially take better care of our players which comes from an overall duty of care to your employees.
Similarly, I'm not sure about it, but what I do see is that we could potentially take better care of our players which comes from an overall duty of care to your employees.
We have no idea of the cause of this recent injury, it could easily have been a clip from some opponents boot in traffic or congestion and is unrelated to his medical history!
It's easy to blame the medicos, but the bigger question is ignoring one game on Franklin should he have even been picked up by our club?
From the perspective of our youth I think it was worth the risk, but it did have some risk given his injury history.
From an overall club perspective it's probably been a bust. He's provided Carlton with about as much as TBird gave GWS!
We have no idea of the cause of this recent injury, it could easily have been a clip from some opponents boot in traffic or congestion and is unrelated to his medical history!
It's easy to blame the medicos, but the bigger question is ignoring one game on Franklin should he have even been picked up by our club?
Neither Thry or myself are blaming the medicos, however multiple players have played this year when clearly hampered by injury, and several have come back after a break and had a reoccurrence of the same injury.
Clearly this needs to be investigated.
As for ASOS, he has played well when on the park, held opponents, supported teammates and supposedly mentors well, it’s a pity for the injuries.
Exactly. I wasn't a fan of his acquisition when we got him, but was converted by his performances.
My only question is not about blame but uncovering what we can do to improve and prevent these things in future.
It's amazing how durable some success will make a player!
We were closer last season, but from public comments this season it seems was all part of the plan! Why didn't they just tell me that up front?
Also, what is the media rallying against, and why? Are they trying to bully the AFL and Carlton in a certain direction, will Carlton blink?
We were closer last season, but from public comments this season it seems was all part of the plan! Why didn't they just tell me that up front?
Also, what is the media rallying against, and why? Are they trying to bully the AFL and Carlton in a certain direction, will Carlton blink?
What are you trying to say now ?
Did you really think that Doc missing every game of 2018, Rowe coming back from a knee and Gibbs being traded for draft picks was going to make us a better team in 2018 v 2017 ? ????????????????????????
ACOS was a rookie pick so the recruiting aspect is minor....he was good when he played but a decision will need to be made on him and Sam Rowe.....Sam might get another season and I reckon OShea will too....
What are you trying to say now ?
Did you really think that Doc missing every game of 2018, Rowe coming back from a knee and Gibbs being traded for draft picks was going to make us a better team in 2018 v 2017 ? ????????????????????????
The recent public uttering from senior club officials (SOS, McKay, Judd, BB and now The Judge)have all publicly pegged this as the predicted toughest year of the rebuild, even excluding the Docherty injury and Gibbs trade. But they didn't do so pro-actively, before teh season, they waited for the sh1t to hit he fan and then told us retro-actively!
Yet it was hope and an exciting new brand they peddled prior to the season!
If they had just come out and stated this year was expected to be tough, and we were consolidating on the past, most fans would have accepted that!
I realise not everyone believed them, especially the older heads, but it hurts the young supporters more than anything to be offered chocolates only to get boiled lollies! That sort of mean spirited spin hurts the club long term, and I think it tells you who and what they really care about!
It makes them look like car-salesmen! Trust us, we lied to you in the past but we are not lying now!
LP with all due respect the club never spruiked we'd be good.
Some optimistic supporters allowed themselves to think like we were in a better position than we were and even the more realistic from our supporters didn't realise it would be this bad.
Things could have been very different but we've had some rotten luck which has guaranteed this outcome for this year.
When paddy Dow lined up in the middle in round one and didn't stamp himself as way ahead of schedule it was a bit of a tell.
Actually, I think the Spotted One (LP) is right in one respect re the dishonesty of the club. For the club to be saying now that they fully expected this to be the most difficult period of the rebuild is absolute bullsh1te. We were seduced into believing a more offensive 'layer' had been added at the beginning of the year, building expectations. That turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. And then we quickly retreated to our defensive game to steady the ship... then came the injuries to an already brittle side.
Looks to me like our club is making it up as they go along.
Sorry Baggers and LP, I’m firmly with Thry on this.
Do you think the club is going to come out preseason and say “No hope this year, save your membership cash for 2020” ????????
If we had minimal injuries this year like the tiggers last, we could’ve been sitting here now talking about scrapping around the fringe of the 8... (EVERYTHING going right)
Instead we’ve had injuries to two guys from 1/4 time in round one and gone downhill from there, then there’s some of the mystifying selections that went on...
Sorry Baggers and LP, I’m firmly with Thry on this.
Do you think the club is going to come out preseason and say “No hope this year, save your membership cash for 2020” ????????
Nobody is making that claim, who are you debating?
You have cross linked two different ideas, one of which hasn't come from anything I've posted.
The club fully and intentionally spruiked the positives pre-season, the coach, the new CEO, the footy department where all out telling us to look forward to new game style with an attacking edge. But they have since revealed that at least in the top echelons they didn't believe what they were publicly speaking about!
Either way they were deceptive. If the pre-season stuff wasn't fake, then it means the stuff they spruik now is, they cannot have it both ways! Are they are doing a Caro, and saying they were wrong because things changed?
This is probably why Baggers and many others feel they are making stuff up on the run!
Personally, I don't think they are making stuff up, but I think they have been very poorly advised or managed by somebody! Somebody thought the fans were all illiterate idiots that could be led in any direction without recourse, boards have been turned on less!
And by the way. I don't think anyone would have put their wallet away if the club had just been truthful, in fact I can say I do not know a single fellow supporter who wouldn't have still forked out their cash if the club had been fully truthful! But our perception and enjoyment of the season would have been very different, because we would have been looking for positives instead of results! ;)
There's no way they thought it was going to be like this.
Hell I didn't think it would be like this.
We had some people thinking we'd get better this year but I doubt the club genuinely thought we'd have a better season than last season and if so, we are being run by a bunch of imbeciles.
Irrespective no one would ever publically say anything of that sort. remember when we declared season over after round two??
We went down by ten goals last weekend and the club has accepted that this just isn't going to get much better than wildly inconsistent.
There's no way they thought it was going to be like this.
But that is what they are now saying, and have been for several weeks, that the current situation is what they expected! They expected this to be the toughest phase of the rebuild!
Which is the whole point Thry. They were either pushing out bullsh1t then, or they are pushing out bullsh1t now, they cannot have it both ways!
Personally I'm not that surprised, I thought we were on a knife edge of experience versus youth which could have gone in any direction. We just do not have the depth and quality in experience to cover the kids when they are down, no matter how hard the old boys try!
There's tough (kruddler and I thinking we'd win about six games for the year) and there's this.
The point is, that not everything is lies and misdirection.
This was most likely to be our worst year of the rebuild is a bit different to dead last 1 and 12 with a percentage of 60 odd percent.
Now if we win four or five games by end of year are they still lying? IMHO no.
I expected the first 2 years to be rough but to make progress this year.
Now if we win four or five games by end of year are they still lying? IMHO no.
The results bear no impact on the determination of the clubs behavior, they are two completely different issues!
This isn't some subjective issue we are debating, it's hard copy and spoken words that are out in the marketplace!
The match results are not the issue, the issue now is should we ever believe them again, Judd and BB included?
I don't have a problem with how they've sold it. Losing Gibbs for a couole of kids was always going to hurt this year. I expected us to win less games than 2017. Apart from bad performances against Melbourne and Fremantle we have been OK in most other games. When they were selling the message in the off season they talked about a more attacking game style, and they did try that. It didn't work, but they did what they said they would do. I also think the preseason optimistic talk assumes a fair run with injuries. I think we've had a terrible run which has affected our ability to apply the game plan we are trying to do, but we'll see improvement in the second half of the season and again next year
The results bear no impact on the determination of the clubs behavior, they are two completely different issues!
This isn't some subjective issue we are debating, it's hard copy and spoken words that are out in the marketplace!
The match results are not the issue, the issue now is should we ever believe them again, Judd and BB included?
Actually it does.
We've had a bad year for various reasons but if we still win 6 games it will be as we expected.
LoGuidice and Trigg's rebuild was always a "buying time" exercise until the natural rotation of things bought us around to playing finals again.
The coach of the time didn't believe in it.
Bolton has been burdened by it.
The old Paganism has come into effect..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."
We'll be good again in a couple of years when these young kids develop a bit more...but I'll always believe we would have been good anyway at least for a few seasons...without the pain.... with a less radical approach.
If we talk about half a dozen wins being a good acceptable target three years in we really have changed a mindset....and not for the better.
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Some interesting stats:
[1] Lobbe: he had the 2nd best rating on the ground and and did OK in the ruck.
[2] Pickett had 4 possessions. :(
[3] LeBois had 4 possessions as well. :(
The recent public uttering from senior club officials (SOS, McKay, Judd, BB and now The Judge)have all publicly pegged this as the predicted toughest year of the rebuild, even excluding the Docherty injury and Gibbs trade. But they didn't do so pro-actively, before teh season, they waited for the sh1t to hit he fan and then told us retro-actively!
Yet it was hope and an exciting new brand they peddled prior to the season!
If they had just come out and stated this year was expected to be tough, and we were consolidating on the past, most fans would have accepted that!
I realise not everyone believed them, especially the older heads, but it hurts the young supporters more than anything to be offered chocolates only to get boiled lollies! That sort of mean spirited spin hurts the club long term, and I think it tells you who and what they really care about!
It makes them look like car-salesmen! Trust us, we lied to you in the past but we are not lying now!
I don’t understand what part of the above you don’t understand ?
Did you expect them to say prior to round 1 “Any hint of injuries or individual form slumps and we’re screwed LP, save your cash for next year” ?
What happened last trade/draft period ?
We booted some older guys and drafted younger ones, mid table was always going to be optimistic, except to you and fly I guess...
Edit:there’s a difference between “expecting us to be where we are now” and saying that they knew this was going to be a tough year.
IF we were picking best/almost best 22 week in and week out, do you think we would be where we are now ?
The (slightly) older additions to the list have hardly gotten on the park Lang, Kennedy, Shaw, Garlett... they were supposed to help us bridge to Dow and O’Brien etc.
2nd and 3rd options have played too many games this year.
ACOS was a rookie pick so the recruiting aspect is minor....he was good when he played but a decision will need to be made on him and Sam Rowe.....Sam might get another season and I reckon OShea will too....
Was thinking about OShea on Sat (an Mullet), for all the crape they have copped on this site this year, we put in our worst performance of the year without them in the side. Hmmmm.
There's tough (kruddler and I thinking we'd win about six games for the year) and there's this.
The point is, that not everything is lies and misdirection.
This was most likely to be our worst year of the rebuild is a bit different to dead last 1 and 12 with a percentage of 60 odd percent.
Now if we win four or five games by end of year are they still lying? IMHO no.
Agreed.
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Some interesting stats:
[1] Lobbe: he had the 2nd best rating on the ground and and did OK in the ruck.
[2] Pickett had 4 possessions. :(
[3] LeBois had 4 possessions as well. :(
Probably LeBois best game... ????
He’s no better tha JGM, I just hope he doesn’t have the same pics that have kept JGM clogging the list for so long.
Was thinking about OShea on Sat (an Mullet), for all the crape they have copped on this site this year, we put in our worst performance of the year without them in the side. Hmmmm.
Think most expected a bit more from Mullet who was rated a good kick but Brad Scott gave us the tip that Mullet was dumped by Nth due to his poor contesting......Scott was right.
OShea was a reasonable player for Port over the journey but was dumped in the end for his poor kicking/disposal...guess what?....Port knew what they were talking about. Oshea looked good in the NB's and cleaned up his kicking but the VFL is slower paced and he picked up a lot of easy kicks vs kids from the burbs who lacked experience. Back in the AFL his old problems surfaced, poor kicking, poor decision making due to the extra pressure and pace of the game.
IMO you would delist both at seasons end but with ACOS shot, JGM next to useless and us lacking senior mid range experience they may get another year....
If you look at our backline it appeared full of depth and talent but Marchbank has proven injury prone, Jones has been leaking goals early in the season, Rowe is nearly shot and Weitering still not right IMO..
You look at Thomas and Simpson as retirees, Byrne also injury prone and there are more question marks than answers IMo.....which may help our former two eek out another season....
You could see why Bartel would suggest the Mcgovern brothers as trade targets especially J. McGovern....
Think most expected a bit more from Mullet who was rated a good kick but Brad Scott gave us the tip that Mullet was dumped by Nth due to his poor contesting......Scott was right.
OShea was a reasonable player for Port over the journey but was dumped in the end for his poor kicking/disposal...guess what?....Port knew what they were talking about. Oshea looked good in the NB's and cleaned up his kicking but the VFL is slower paced and he picked up a lot of easy kicks vs kids from the burbs who lacked experience. Back in the AFL his old problems surfaced, poor kicking, poor decision making due to the extra pressure and pace of the game.
IMO you would delist both at seasons end but with ACOS shot, JGM next to useless and us lacking senior mid range experience they may get another year....
If you look at our backline it appeared full of depth and talent but Marchbank has proven injury prone, Jones has been leaking goals early in the season, Rowe is nearly shot and Weitering still not right IMO..
You look at Thomas and Simpson as retirees, Byrne also injury prone and there are more question marks than answers IMo.....which may help our former two eek out another season....
You could see why Bartel would suggest the Mcgovern brothers as trade targets especially J. McGovern....
But apart from that its all good right? ;D ;D
But apart from that its all good right? ;D ;D
Mate.....Being on this site every season is like going through a Tsunami every year ...we just talk about filling sandbags and different size buckets..... ;) but we always end up wet ;)
12 clearances to Kennedy :o
Be great if he can produce something similar in the ones.
12 clearances to Kennedy :o
Be great if he can produce something similar in the ones.
It's not a bad effort from Kennedy as Nthmond had a reasonable midfield, but keep in mind Nthmond also only had a solo child ruck against Phillips, Lobbe and De Koning.
The results bear no impact on the determination of the clubs behavior, they are two completely different issues!
This isn't some subjective issue we are debating, it's hard copy and spoken words that are out in the marketplace!
The match results are not the issue, the issue now is should we ever believe them again, Judd and BB included?
Think of the bigger picture.
If we came out publicly and said this year is going to be a bust, what message does that send to the players? Try your guts out for us all pre-season, but you are going to get spanked every week.
The message to the players is the sky is the limit. There is no cap on what we can achieve.
Which is true, if everything goes right.
What do you think the 'realistic' message was to the tigers before last season?
Do you think it was "we hope to play finals, but we are richmond so we don't expect to do anything, like the last 36 years"
or
was it similar to ours, the sky is the limit.
For them, everything went right, and they played and won a GF against all odds.
For us, everything has gone wrong, injuries to AA, captain and a large chunk of others.
FWIW, i remember the club saying it was going to be a tough year when Doc went down as you couldn't cover for him, but it gives the opportunity for someone to step up.
Think of the bigger picture.
If we came out publicly and said this year is going to be a bust, what message does that send to the players? Try your guts out for us all pre-season, but you are going to get spanked every week.
The message to the players is the sky is the limit. There is no cap on what we can achieve.
Which is true, if everything goes right.
What do you think the 'realistic' message was to the tigers before last season?
Do you think it was "we hope to play finals, but we are richmond so we don't expect to do anything, like the last 36 years"
or
was it similar to ours, the sky is the limit.
For them, everything went right, and they played and won a GF against all odds.
For us, everything has gone wrong, injuries to AA, captain and a large chunk of others.
FWIW, i remember the club saying it was going to be a tough year when Doc went down as you couldn't cover for him, but it gives the opportunity for someone to step up.
You don't have to say anything negative to avoid lying, you seem to be inferring that they had to do, write or speak the opposite of what they did!
That is clearly not the case! ;)
Of those injured for big chunks (or all of) the current season, the impact in decreasing importance is - to my mind:
1. Docherty - HUGE. All Australian and the general of our defence.
2. Kennedy - PRETTY HUGE. Was going to be the chop out for Crippa but either not fit for Rd 1 or the injury received earlier in that game has stuffed his season entirely). A quality player when fit.
3. Willo - PRETTY HUGE - might have been the guy to fill Doc's shoes but his back didn't hold up. Hoping he will be unhindered come 2019.
4. Pickett - SIGNIFICANT. Gave our forward line spark (even if he hasn't played a lot of games yet).
5. Murphy - still a prolific ball winner even if not the inspirational leader many would like him to be.
6. Marchbank - a quality defender.
7. ASOS - for his mongrel.
8. Lang - still looks well off the pace, interrupted pre seasons do that (yep, I was wrong...). But will be a regular in our starting 22 when fit.
8 Blokes who are all walk up starts when up and running....
And you could throw Byrne in there too.
8. Lang - still looks well off the pace, interrupted pre seasons do that (yep, I was wrong...). But will be a regular in our starting 22 when fit.
And you could throw Byrne in there too.
Agree with all that except these two points. Lang is a spud, Byrne has no awareness or footy smarts, delist both IMO.