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Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #240 –
Fisrt round draft picks just simply means they were good at junior football. Head to head our little kids would get brushed aside by the more experienced, bigger bodied saints players, at this stage. If we can keep our kids together, in 2 or 3 years is a different story

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #241 –
Quote from: Jack Burton on
Fisrt round draft picks just simply means they were good at junior football. Head to head our little kids would get brushed aside by the more experienced, bigger bodied saints players, at this stage. If we can keep our kids together, in 2 or 3 years is a different story

But what kind of environment can we create for them to develop in. ATM their confidence is being systematically taken apart imo.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #242 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
But what kind of environment can we create for them to develop in. ATM their confidence is being systematically taken apart imo.

The team which just pulled our pants down was a basket case in the  1990's, then they merged with an even bigger basket case.
It took time but the kids matured, gained confidence and formed themselves into one of the most dominant outfits that the game has ever seen.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #243 –
Brisbane in the late nineties drafted en mass a swag  of gun kids,  who developed together.  Lappin, Voss, Chris Scott,  Aker, Black, Power,  Bradshaw, Headland, etc...plus Lynch,  Johnson,  Molloy and Brown via the Fitzroy connection.  Astute pick ups e. G.  Pike, White.   All very strongly self motivated, driven types.   Potential  plus effort = success.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #244 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Brisbane in the late nineties drafted en mass a swag  of gun kids,  who developed together.  Lappin, Voss, Chris Scott,  Aker, Black, Power,  Bradshaw, Headland, etc...plus Lynch,  Johnson,  Molloy and Brown via the Fitzroy connection.  Astute pick ups e. G.  Pike, White.   All very strongly self motivated, driven types.   Potential  plus effort = success.

Drool!
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #245 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Brisbane in the late nineties drafted en mass a swag  of gun kids,  who developed together.  Lappin, Voss, Chris Scott,  Aker, Black, Power,  Bradshaw, Headland, etc...plus Lynch,  Johnson,  Molloy and Brown via the Fitzroy connection.  Astute pick ups e. G.  Pike, White.   All very strongly self motivated, driven types.   Potential  plus effort = success.

Mal Michael was a very good pick up as well.
Lynch was at Brisbane a few years before Fitzroy folded, Johnson was a gun but the only one of the four Fitzroy players which Brisbane were allowed to take to make a lasting impact, Molloy played his best football after moving to Collingwood and didn't play in any of the Brisbane Premiership teams.
By and large their success was built on the draft.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #246 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Brisbane in the late nineties drafted en mass a swag  of gun kids,  who developed together.  Lappin, Voss, Chris Scott,  Aker, Black, Power,  Bradshaw, Headland, etc...plus Lynch,  Johnson,  Molloy and Brown via the Fitzroy connection.  Astute pick ups e. G.  Pike, White.   All very strongly self motivated, driven types.   Potential  plus effort = success.

And Matthews was probably the last of the successful old school type of coaches.....by that I mean, you bloody well did it his way & measured up or you buggered off.  Can you imagine any of this "oh he's lost the players" cr@p going around with a bloke like him at the helm.

Nope.  Even Aker knew his role & was allowed some degree of licence to do it, but still within the coaches boundaries........very much like the relationship Crosswell had under Barassi.  Two more opposite personalities you couldn't find....but it just worked.   Had to have a pretty accountable team around them both though.
Life is pain....... anyone who says differently is selling something.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #247 –
Matthews also got the best out of Pyke after three clubs decided that he was too much trouble.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #248 –
Disappointed murphy said in a interview on Monday he would talk to the playing group as they know effort wasn't good enough blah blah blah.  maybe he should of done that going off at half time  and put a fierce rocket up the group. Couldn't see blokes like hodge brown Selwood etc waiting till Monday to do it. Everyone is too nice and understanding to our group we need some grunt or as they have in ice hockey a goon a protector to make youngsters walk taller not touching hands at each stoppage when no effort was given I hate him but this why Melbourne went after Lewis why lions got hodge crows are better with walker we need tough every tackle blokes, could have done with bonehead Robinson on our side not against us. We need to take respect back the hard way let the opposition know they will come off sore and have earned a win. We are young with some skill but need a big brother or two. Brisbane in the Matthews era had some absolute gun players but they also had some nasty pricks Hawks had hodge and Lewis

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #249 –
Quote from: blue4life on
Matthews also got the best out of Pyke after three clubs decided that he was too much trouble.

Pyke and White were not bad footballers though, I frown at Carlton fans talking down Robinson as a footballer because of some off-field misdemeanors that were over-played by the media. He is and was a good footballer, and someone we dearly miss around the contest. There is no universal rule that a goose cannot be a good footballer, and MM was a hypocrite to condemn Robinson while excusing Alan "The Pistol" Didak and Heath "The Driver" Shaw!

Should the level of on-field exploit be of any relevance in determining such an outcome? Isn't that a Trumpism if we accept that is the case, one rule applied differently for some!

I'm not sure being stared down by Leigh Matthews is the same as being stared down by Brendan Bolton, but then few if any would be the equal of Leigh Matthews! Matthews has the eye of a White-Pointer as is cruises past ever so unnervingly! ;D
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #250 –
Pyke had a lot more ability than Robinson has though, so did Didak.
If I recall correctly Malthouse even admitted at the time that if it were two rookies rather than Didak and Shaw the outcome would have been different.
We got rid of a champion full forward for a lack of discipline but I supported the club's decision at the time and still do.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #251 –
Quote from: blue4life on
We got rid of a champion full forward for a lack of discipline but I supported the club's decision at the time and still do.

Very true.

Was Fevola less talented than Didak?

Was pissing on a restaurant window a bigger problem than firing an unlicensed and unregistered pistol into a factory, a gun provided by a bloke who was under police investigation?

Was separating drunken friends at a concert, or lying about defending a team-mate outside a night club, anywhere near as big of a problem?

Were any of Robinson's or Fevola's offenses worse than Drunk Unlicensed Driving?

I understand all the reasons, I do not understand how they can be so differently applied and for integrity to remain!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #252 –
Quote from: LP on
Very true.

Was Fevola less talented than Didak?

Was pissing on a restaurant window a bigger problem than firing an unlicensed and unregistered pistol into a factory, a gun provided by a bloke who was under police investigation?

Was separating drunken friends at a concert, or lying about defending a team-mate outside a night club, anywhere near as big of a problem?

Were any of Robinson's or Fevola's offenses worse than Drunk Unlicensed Driving?

I understand all the reasons, I do not understand how they can be so differently applied and for integrity to remain!

Our club was full of problems that needed fixing.
We were simply trying to minimise them.

Collingwood has less problems to deal with, so could focus more of their energies into that sort of thing than we could.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #253 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Our club was full of problems that needed fixing.
We were simply trying to minimise them.

Collingwood has less problems to deal with, so could focus more of their energies into that sort of thing than we could.

So moral judgment or natural justice depend on circumstance, that is another interesting but lengthy debate!

Best give Mav a call!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #254 –
Quote from: LP on
So moral judgment or natural justice depend on circumstance, that is another interesting but lengthy debate!

Best give Mav a call!
There is only so much time in the day. Bigger fish to fry.

Why don't cops spend all their time fining people for jaywalking?