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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Lods -
@LP
The lack of a free for Williams and his response was only one aspect of criticism...not really important in the scheme of things.
I was talking more about the criticism centred around his defensive game and errors.
That's of greater concern than whether he staged for a free or not.
That's what he has to redeem in the eyes of some.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
The above assertion is just an extension of the media trying to peg Voss on a fixed selection strategy, nobody should be gifted a spot, the MC should not take a formulaic approach. the real world is not like Supercoach.

Week to week MC selections should be based on merit, conditions and the strategy of the day. I hope our MC will be clever enough to analyse and pick the eyes out of the best strategies for each opponent, some weeks we might go tall, some weeks we might go small.

Every week the opposition will try to leverage our deficiencies, if we are predictable it becomes easier for them, like last weekend kicking it on the head of Charlie or BigH who were stuck between 2 or 3 defenders.

Call it what you want, but its simple facts. 30 into 23 doesn't go and someone has to make way.

The players i mentioned will be one of the ones who make way when we get players of the calibre of Saad, McGovern, Cerra.....even Fogarty, Martin, Cuningham, Motlop.....not to mention Docherty, Silvagni next year as well.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
He's come in for some severe criticism so the onus is on him now to prove his mettle.
It's a character test for him, and he has the talent to rise to it...it's whether he has the attitude and will.
@Lods Fans carry on a bit, they bang on about it was just an arm across the body, no force, etc., etc..

But from an AFL perspective that delay from somewhat trivial contact costs you 2 or 3 steps, and 2 or 3 steps of an AFL player on the move is 6 or 7 metres, you'll never close the gap unless you are chasing a dullard like Riewoldt.

In NRL, they look for shoulder to shoulder, if a player is detained illegally it's a professional foul with either a send off, a penalty try or sometimes both! The AFL need to look at this as part of the score review chain, to stop those two bullcrap incidents enacted by Handbagger players.

I don't care if it's in the fall of the ball zone, I want to see the contest in that zone, but this sh1zen happening 20m or 30m away from the footy is a joke. Scott's learned that his blokes can get away with if it's far enough off the ball, and it delivers them a field wide overlap.

Perhaps a few players need to hand out a Barry Hall solution to scraging, reminds me of the good old days when Yarran dropped the pest Chapman! The media jumped on Yarran, but Yarran copped his whack, they said nothing about Chapman's poking, pinching, ankle kicking tactics behind play.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
What happened to Williams has always been a free, his flopping is a symptom of the Handbaggers being allowed to scrag and delay players way off the ball. Even if he wasn't scraged it's unlikely he would have got half way to the opponent before they scored, it's the absence of the free that changed the game not Williams ability to get near the fall of the ball.

The discussion about Williams is a smokescreen to stop the focus on an illegal Handbagger tactics, nothing more and nothing less.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by madbluboy -
I wondered whether the Fox commentators would admit they got it wrong on the Williams incident after the MRO handed out a fine but I didn't think so. They have now doubled down and called for his dropping. Do these people ever wonder why no one actually like them.

He was terrible. Defence wins premierships and he can't defend. With Saad and McGovern we can afford to have him there for his rebound but not now.

Ironically we played better when he went off against the Giants.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Yet I wouldn't say the defensive problems are a function of our defence.

I'd assert, many of the shortfalls come from the other end of the ground or perhaps the midfield. It's possibly being masked by some players having good tackling or 1%er stats, but the counts can be misleading, it's far more important to know where and when they collect those stats.

For example, how many times did a Tuohy or Guthrie type find themselves unattended just outside of goal range, and Cameron for that matter? How many times was Cameron unattended exiting our F50, the escape kick, then became a target a kick or two later inside our D50? There is next to nothing the defence can do about that, the problem starts further up the field and it's not about body type or size, it's about evening up the numbers and closing down space.

Many times the Handbaggers were actually forced by our defence to pause entering our D50, and yet they still ended up with a loose player as a target inside F50, that player comes from somewhere in the overlap created outside of the arc.
Sometimes perfectly executed passes make it look like the defenders arent doing their job. Geel on Sat reminded me of the the Hawks during their premiership years with all those deadly left footers hitting targets in traffic at will.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Yet I wouldn't say the defensive problems are a function of our defence.

I'd assert, many of the shortfalls come from the other end of the ground or perhaps the midfield. It's possibly being masked by some players having good tackling or 1%er stats, but the counts can be misleading, it's far more important to know where and when they collect those stats.

For example, how many times did a Tuohy or Guthrie type find themselves unattended just outside of goal range, and Cameron for that matter? How many times was Cameron unattended exiting our F50, the escape kick, then became a target a kick or two later inside our D50? There is next to nothing the defence can do about that, the problem starts further up the field and it's not about body type or size, it's about evening up the numbers and closing down space.

Many times the Handbaggers were actually forced by our defence to pause entering our D50, and yet they still ended up with a loose player as a target inside F50, that player comes from somewhere in the overlap created outside of the arc.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by blueboys_1 -
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.

The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.

Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.

I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.

Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.

Been thinking that the last 3 weeks the opposition is scoring very easily against us on transition Listening to Sunday pre game and they were talking about our Defensive transition I think and came up with the following stats.

Adelaide: 25 scoring shots from 49 entries.

GWS: 27 scoring shots from 51 entries.

Geelong: 28 scoring shots from 45 entries.

Better than 50% from each team.

That will not stand up in finals.

Good thing is it is something that can be fixed and worked on during the season.