Carlton Supporters Club

I'm not seeing it the same way.
Questions are being asked....but there is still a fair bit of "wait and see"

Perceptions a funny thing and we tend to overestimate  the  resistance to our point of view.
It seems 'louder' because we concentrate on the vocal opposition

Maybe we should run a poll.

You'd get a small sample space. Only the regular posters and some others. This site has 826 members, and you might get 50, maybe 100 votes. And there's 56000? CFC members. It certainly costs nothing and doesn't take any time to set up a poll. Just not sure what it would prove.

You'd struggle to get much past 50 voters.

Even then, would it matter if 90% of them wanted Bolton gone?
12 months ago, 90% wanted Buckley gone.
24 months ago, 90% wanted Hardwick gone.
....

I think people are getting themselves worked up in a frenzy here.

At the end of this season there will be a review, for sure. You know what, i'm pretty sure every club does a review at the end of every season. It's expected.

You review the playing list every year as you need to cut/sign/trade/draft players.
You review the coaching group as its almost unheard of for 1 group to be unchanged from 1 year to the next.
You review all areas of the club.

Given we've only recently come up with our 5 year plan, you'd consider those goals and expectations were come up with based on a review of where we are, and where we want to be and what needs to happen to achieve them. You'd think that each and every year we'd review our current position to see how we are tracking with our goals.

You'd also like to think that you would review all previous reviews to work out what went right and what went wrong in your past review, to make your future reviews more accurate.

Review, review, review.


Bit of a buzzword at the moment don't you think?

Hence why i keep bringing up the 'vocal MINORITY'.

I reckon most people are in favour of Bolton staying for now, and its ok for questions to be asked, but what is going on now reminds me of the start of the Pagan 'hall of shame' era.
That is...
We got done by the premiers today - because Pagan doesn't have a game plan and has lost the players.
We got done by 10 goals today - because Pagan doesn't have a game plan and has lost the players.
We couldn't kick straight today - because Pagan doesn't have a game plan and has lost the players.
Play x was a late out today - because Pagan doesn't have a game plan and has lost the players.
We lost the toss today - because Pagan doesn't have a game plan and has lost the players.

Every post that is made in where someone is critical of something that happened, the answer is inevitably, Boltons fault.

I think people are getting themselves worked up in a frenzy here.

At the end of this season there will be a review, for sure. You know what, i'm pretty sure every club does a review at the end of every season. It's expected.

You review the playing list every year as you need to cut/sign/trade/draft players.
You review the coaching group as its almost unheard of for 1 group to be unchanged from 1 year to the next.
You review all areas of the club.

Given we've only recently come up with our 5 year plan, you'd consider those goals and expectations were come up with based on a review of where we are, and where we want to be and what needs to happen to achieve them. You'd think that each and every year we'd review our current position to see how we are tracking with our goals.

You'd also like to think that you would review all previous reviews to work out what went right and what went wrong in your past review, to make your future reviews more accurate.

Review, review, review.


Bit of a buzzword at the moment don't you think?

Funnily enough these are some of the reactions I expected a year ago.
It comes with the coaching territory to a large extent
The longer you go without success the greater it becomes.
Initially it's just one or two voices, then a few more join the chorus....it's only a matter of time before the 'vocal minority' becomes the 'vocal majority'
That's when it's over.
There's only one way to stop that ride down the slippery slope.

You can't sack and replace an entire  list (although we've given it a good try)
Assistants ,who should bear a large part of the blame, get overlooked because the buck stops with the head coach.
Bolton's longevity is largely dependent on his alliances in the club.

Again though I'm not seeing your last sentence as correct.
Folks don't all believe everything that's wrong is Bolton's fault
I'd also expect any poll we undertook wouldn't advocate his replacement in the short term.

...it's only a matter of time before the 'vocal minority' becomes the 'vocal majority'
That's when it's over.

We have been a loser club for so long doing things right is an accident rather than planning, we need a independent review anyway not some amateur hour biased internal review run by Judd, Brad Lloyd etc etc....
Sure you review every year but we need an in depth review, our version of a Royal Commission where every detail is looked at and where targets are set, the only reason the club wouldnt do a proper independent review is if they were scared of the results and dont want any open transparency about the operations on and off the field.

Ah, not just a review, but a PROPER review. Thats the difference. 

So who does the review? Who follows up on the findings of the review? Who has ultimate say on who/what should change from the review?

You cited both the cats and hawks in terms of their 'reviews'. What you seem to be missing/ignoring is that in both cases they have had a largely stable figurehead at the club for a long period of time. Cook has been at the cats since we were last in the grand final. Kennett is now in his 2nd stint at the hawks in that time. Alternatively, we've had 5 presidents since the Elliot days, including a reluctant Kernahan who took the role through lack of other options.

..and that doesn't take into account the 'benefactors' like Mathison who have their 2 bobs worth as well.

Do you trust MLG to make the right calls under any reveiw recommendations that is put forth? Has he not been in charge over all the decisions that have been made at the club currently? Taking any alternative action would be admitting that the initial action was wrong. Doing that is not a strong suit of Carlton folk, ask big jack, collo......

You have just indicted you dont have faith/trust in MLG, indicated you dont want Mathieson/benefactors involved, and indicated the club are not to be trusted on acting on the recommendations of a serious review.
On that basis how can you trust any type of decision making that the club make now or in the future? Surely a Independent review is the only way to go and a figure like Brian Cook wouldnt be a bad candidate to be part of or lead that review? as we both seem to agree he has credibility and experience.

You'd struggle to get much past 50 voters.

Even then, would it matter if 90% of them wanted Bolton gone?
12 months ago, 90% wanted Buckley gone.
24 months ago, 90% wanted Hardwick gone.
....

They were hanging around the bottom with 3 wins from 36. Pies were roundabout and Richmond have been in the finals 3 years straight. Not sure the comparison is the same. For every Buckley there is 50 Mark Neelds.

They were hanging around the bottom with 3 wins from 36. Pies were roundabout and Richmond have been in the finals 3 years straight. Not sure the comparison is the same. For every Buckley there is 50 Mark Neelds.