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Title: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 02, 2021, 05:19:21 pm
Forecast is for considerable rain on Friday. Interesting to see how we handle that down at the Kennel.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 04, 2021, 06:22:40 pm
Forecast is for considerable rain on Friday. Interesting to see how we handle that down at the Kennel.

Bring your floaties!

Teams in.
IN: Jess Edwards
OUT: Mua Laloifi (conc)

That makes our team worse overall specifically our backline.

However, Edwards will increase our running power which is required.
Still prefer Walker, Pound and McEvoy back though.

BLUES:
B: B.Vernon 31, N.Plane 32 
HB: J.Edwards 25, C.Wilson 20, K.Harrington 9
C: L.Brazzale 12, E.O'Dea 46, K.Loynes 2
HF: A.McKay 5, T.Harris 7, D.Vescio 3
F: N.Stevens 21, J.Hosking 11
Foll: B.Moody 16, M.Prespakis 4, G.Gee 19
I/C: M.Guerin 18, A.Downie 30, M.Hill 10, G.Egan 1, C.Hammans 17 

Emerg: S.Gibbs 33, D.Walker 23 

DOGS:
B: A.Gogos 36, E.Gamble 14 
HB: S.Hartwig 15, K.Lynch 10, E.Brown 9
C: K.McLeod 6, E.Blackburn 2, B.Hunt 21
HF: J.Fitzgerald 23, I.Huntington 4, B.Lochland 1
F: B.Toogood 8, D.Berry 7
Foll: C.Moody 13, E.Georgostathis 17, K.Lamb 27
I/C: N.Morris-Dalton 25, K.Rennie 24, N.Ferres 16, A.Guest 19, G.Newton 5 

Emerg: I.Grant 3, B.Gutknecht 18 

In: E.Gamble, K.McLeod, K.Rennie, N.Ferres
Out: G.Lagioia (omitted), D.Marshall (omitted), B.Gutknecht (omitted), L.Spark (omitted)
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 07:45:10 pm
Game time.

Hopefully we can correct our first half start from last week.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: rocky on February 05, 2021, 08:03:50 pm
Not to get too carried away with this AFLW stuff, but the game plan is crape. Just playing like Auskick kids. Everyone follow the ball around and just kick it. Not sure how we could've been pre-season favourites? Defies belief.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 08:07:57 pm
Not to get too carried away with this AFLW stuff, but the game plan is crape. Just playing like Auskick kids. Everyone follow the ball around and just kick it. Not sure how we could've been pre-season favourites? Defies belief.

We are missing at least 4 of our starters. Thats how.

Pound, McEvoy, Walker, Laloifi all unavailable due to injury/concussion.

All better users of the ball than most out there.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:04:51 pm
Girls showing good fight and grinding it out.

Pressure pressure pressure.

As long as we don't let the dogs get the quick kick over the top, we are all over them.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:10:43 pm
As long as we don't let the dogs get the quick kick over the top, we are all over them.

Or let them get that in the first minute of the last  ::)
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 05, 2021, 09:14:54 pm
All over red rover.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:18:00 pm
All over red rover.

It will be tough, but its only 2 goals.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:21:13 pm
Gee misses what she should've kicked.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:24:30 pm
Gee should've take a shot.

Harris is head and shoulders above everyone else in the air....


....but can not kick the ones we need!!!!
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:28:16 pm
Great effort by the girls but oh so frustrating.

Another 6 point defeat despite having the ball in our forward half for 90% of the last quarter. The dogs quick ones early in the last did the damage.

We need to get some players back.
Laloifi should be back next week.
Not sure how long Pound and Walker are out, but McEvoy is weeks away.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 05, 2021, 09:31:01 pm
Couldn't hit a target to save themselves tonight. Fix the composure around the ground and in front of goal and we would have won by plenty. The Harris miss from the top of the square was unforgivable.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: laj on February 05, 2021, 09:38:41 pm
Two bursts of 3 easy quick goals. That was their 6 goals. Same issues as the men last year with those run on of goals. Last week we gave Collingwood 4 unpressured goals in a short time. That issue is going through the place. Means we are 0-2 rather than 2-0.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 05, 2021, 09:40:58 pm
Couldn't hit a target to save themselves tonight.

I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 05, 2021, 09:41:06 pm
I try to be positive, but games like that really make me angry.
[1] We will not get in front of our opponents, not for love nor money.
[2] We cannot kick the ball to another Carlton player.
[3] Our forwards are useless, but not because they have no talent. We just don't kick the ball to them! Is it any surprise they get so few possessions? We kick it to their opponents all of the time!
[4] Our defence is lacking at the moment. Charlotte Wilson and Kez Harrington in particular are not getting the ball. We miss the defenders who are missing badly, especially Gab Pound.
[5] Mimi Hill, Abby McKay, Jess Hosking and Maddy Prespakis were excellent, but there wasn't enough done by too many others.
[6] We are handball happy, but I'm not surprised, considering how poorly we kick. 3 shots at goal from close range for 2 points is not good enough. Then Georgie Gee passes the ball to nobody when she should have had a shot.
[7] There is no way in hell that we are going to play in the GF this year. Not enough players doing enough.
[8] Bree Moody is slowly becoming the player we hope she will be, but, my God, can she make a mistake!
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 05, 2021, 09:42:44 pm
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
She struggled tonight. Her ball handling was ordinary and she couldn't find a team mate by foot. But she had plenty of fellows in that department.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: rocky on February 05, 2021, 09:43:29 pm
Biggest problem is the backline. Leak too many goals. As a result the whole team has to flood back (when they can) to help out, which means we have nothing going the other way we we repel. Not sure what the missing players positions are (other than  Laloifi )  but if they aren't backline players we're cactus.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 05, 2021, 09:52:39 pm
I'm wondering what has happened to Harrington and Wilson. Last year they were great in the air and helped provide a lot of run. Last week Muscles marked a fair bit, but fumbled under pressure and couldn't kick. This week she could take a mark. Kez came good in the last quarter, but she is just not producing the drive from half back.

At the moment, our defence appears to need someone tall and strong to take out the marking options. That would allow Wilson to intercept and Harrington to provide the run and carry (not to mention good disposal).
Mua would have helped, as she does provide run that we lacked badly. She also take intercept possessions.

The other things we need in defence is real pace. Neither Plane, Vernon or Edwards gives us that.

We BADLY miss Walker and Dalton: their pace and defensive pressure is enormous and they kick goals. They are also strong bodies who rarely fumble (although that took a while). O'Dea is trying, but she isn't getting to enough contests. Neither is Nik Stevens. Walker ability to run and handle the ball could have got us at least another 2 goals tonight. She is difficult to get off the ball.

I would make some changes. Too many players are not contributing enough.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: laj on February 05, 2021, 09:57:30 pm
Biggest problem is the backline. Leak too many goals. As a result the whole team has to flood back (when they can) to help out, which means we have nothing going the other way we we repel. Not sure what the missing players positions are (other than  Laloifi )  but if they aren't backline players we're cactus.

Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 05, 2021, 10:09:02 pm
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
Looking at the stats Jess Edwards probably had her most productive game. She had 16 disposals, although most were handballs. The coaching panel obviously thinks she has a future and fair enough, as she is improving. But she really has to work on her ball handling and disposal.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 05, 2021, 10:11:00 pm
Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.
Absolutely. And until we can start dominating in the centre, as we have threatened to a number of times, we won't get those run-ons. We don't play in from often enough and our disposal lets us down so often.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Spanner on February 05, 2021, 10:40:24 pm
Just a standard start to the year for a side fielded by the Carlton Football Club.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LP on February 05, 2021, 11:29:44 pm
We are struggling for run in the absence of Dalton and Walker.

This season so far the umpiring emphasis has changed a little, we are not seeing reward for our tackling, and players are basically throwing or handing the ball off and not being penalised.

It's not rugby, it should still be umpired like footy!
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: DJC on February 05, 2021, 11:45:22 pm
That was a very disappointing game and one that we should have won by a couple of goals.

The intercept marks stats should be interesting although, in our case, the category should be “kicks straight to opposition players” 🙄
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LoveNavy on February 06, 2021, 01:27:19 am
Disappointing game.
Missed a couple of unforgivable sitters and struggled to create space. This is not a flag favorite side. I hope Harford has an ace up his sleeve otherwise we're 🌵
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 06, 2021, 08:01:09 am
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.

Im not singling out anyone, to be it was team wide.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 06, 2021, 08:03:18 am
Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.
Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah that's right...
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 09:17:19 am
[2] We cannot kick the ball to another Carlton player.

[3] Our forwards are useless, but not because they have no talent. We just don't kick the ball to them! Is it any surprise they get so few possessions? We kick it to their opponents all of the time!
2 points, one common theme. We are missing our 'line breakers' Dalton and Walker. They are able to run and bounce and get a long kick to the advantage of our teammates....usually breaking the zones. Instead, we have nobody to do that so we grab the ball and kick it as long as we can......which is where our opposition has set up the wall and it goes straight to them.
Have a bounce and you can kick over those same opposition players.

[4] Our defence is lacking at the moment. Charlotte Wilson and Kez Harrington in particular are not getting the ball. We miss the defenders who are missing badly, especially Gab Pound.
Opposition players are keeping the ball away from them.
When you have a few 'weak links' in the absence of Pound and Mua our 'team defence' is more of an individual defence.

[5] Mimi Hill, Abby McKay, Jess Hosking and Maddy Prespakis were excellent, but there wasn't enough done by too many others.
We are missing McEvoy here, and GREG has been below par IMO. They are the 'new breed' who have size, speed and talent and offer a good counterpoint to the above.

[6] We are handball happy, but I'm not surprised, considering how poorly we kick. 3 shots at goal from close range for 2 points is not good enough. Then Georgie Gee passes the ball to nobody when she should have had a shot.
Georgia Gee needs to be told to be selfish. No way in hell she should pass the ball off when she is within kicking distance. When goals are so hard to come by, take a shot when you can. I know the girls are tight and they play team footy and look after eachother, but there is a balance we need to find and we are playing too unselfish at the moment.
The handball, handball, handball game plan gets the girls into the game, and stops kicking it to the opposition, but as i said earlier we are missing the line breakers to make that super effective.

[7] There is no way in hell that we are going to play in the GF this year. Not enough players doing enough.
I said last week that it would be a good kick up the backside. Perhaps 2 wins is the kick they need. We are both the most experienced side and the youngest side. If we get a few players back, i see us making a big run at finals. But it has to turn around now. Season is too short.

[8] Bree Moody is slowly becoming the player we hope she will be, but, my God, can she make a mistake!
2 years ago she was good. Last year she was unfit.
She is back to being fit, but still struggles being a 'dinosaur' of sorts in the ruck. It takes about 7 minutes for the ball to leave her hand and hit her foot when she is kicking, simply not enough time to do that in a pack before it gets smothered. On the run she cannot time it effectively. She also cannot bounce the ball to save herself. To get the best out of her we need her deep in defence in the hole intercepting (then handballing to a runner) or deep in attack taking marks/bringing the ball down to our crumbers. She should stay out of the middle of the ground.

That is where Al Downie comes in. Her agility, speed and tackling is more suited there.
If we are not going to play Downie to her strengths, we need to bring in Gibbs who can play ruck, take a mark and kick a goal and give Moody a chopout in the ruck.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 09:22:18 am
Looking at the stats Jess Edwards probably had her most productive game. She had 16 disposals, although most were handballs. The coaching panel obviously thinks she has a future and fair enough, as she is improving. But she really has to work on her ball handling and disposal.
I don't mean to single her out, but she to me epitomizes the difference between AFLW in its early years, and AFLW now.

She doesn't have the skill set of someone who has played football her entire life. She has the heart, desire and ability to carry out instructions, but not the skills required to be damaging. She hurts us as much as she hurts them. She is not alone. Brazzale is similar in some regards, but she at least offers run and carry and a long boot.....not an accurate one, but a long one.

When we have a few more 'youngsters' coming through who have played their whole life, their skill level will be superior and you just need to find someone as aggresive at the contest and Jess Edwards won't be seen again.

She wasn't picked last week and if we didn't have 4 injuries, she wouldn't have been picked this week. Great depth player, not a starter.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LP on February 06, 2021, 12:43:14 pm
Trading Sarah H, on top of Walker and Dalton being out is not looking like great list management.

Is it the same crew that manages the men?
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: ianh on February 06, 2021, 01:55:19 pm
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
To the contrary her disposal efficiency at 62.5% puts her in our top 10 year to date.  However this just shows how stats can mislead, a lot of her poor disposals ie the 37.5% that are not "efficient" are really poor execution.  She is a conundrum, we need to good she brings but the bad really hurt us last night and it it that sort of disposal that is our biggest problem.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: ianh on February 06, 2021, 02:00:52 pm
Another disappointing loss on the back of a period where he opposition got hold of us. Last week 7 or 8 minutes in 2nd quarter coughed up 4 goals to seal our fate. Last night the early part of the last quarter where we coughed up 3 goals to lose a 10 point lead without seeming to get forward of centre at all, then we dominate territory but couldn't get it on the board.

Skill execution and decision making poor and with Pound, Laloifi and (Brooke) Walker hopefully available for the next match there may be some changes in the offing for the next match. The question is who? Harrington stank in week one but was much better last night. Whilst it is a simplistic measure of performance it is notable that our player with the lowest average disposals is Darcy Vescio averaging 5 dispoals (total 10 disposals equal lowest with Laloifi off a single game) and I wonder whether the selectors might make a big call? Others with low disposal counts are Downie, but her strenghth lies in ruckwork rather than ball winning , Hammans (ave 5.5) and Guerin (ave 7.5). Conversely, Downie and Vescio are 1 and 2 in average disposal efficiency and Hammans 4th which might help their causes given disposal quality has been a big issue.

I really struggle to see who else might be in line to be dropped but with 4 quality potention ins there will some some nervous players awaiting the team announcement.

Lastly, my daughter, her partner and I have decided to do a podcast on the Blues AFLW team - anyone interested here is our first effort posted before last night's game. About the only thing I think it proves is my future does not lie in weather forecasting!

https://anchor.fm/lizzie-hone/episodes/ ... LJZ6Y_kMOM
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: PaulP on February 06, 2021, 02:14:54 pm
Hi ianh. Thanks for the report. I'd be keen to listen to the podcast, but that link returns a 404 error. I've tried three different browsers on my desktop, but no dice.

Thanks.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Baggers on February 06, 2021, 02:16:46 pm
Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah that's right...

Thought the same thing, and gulped... please, no!
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Baggers on February 06, 2021, 02:22:36 pm
Shout out to K and IanH - really appreciate your explanations as I'm nowhere near as across our gals as you good dudes.

My only observation, and disappointment, from last night was the compulsive handball which all too often landed at the target's feet or the target wasn't ready and hence out of position! Handballs hitting targets, and targets being ready would certainly alter the scoreline, I believe... but then again that's probably stating the bleedin' obvious.  ;)
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: ianh on February 06, 2021, 02:25:17 pm
Hi ianh. Thanks for the report. I'd be keen to listen to the podcast, but that link returns a 404 error. I've tried three different browsers on my desktop, but no dice.

Thanks.

Try this  https://anchor.fm/lizzie-hone/episodes/A-loss-to-the-old-enemy-but-a-chance-at-success-yet-to-come-epusue?fbclid=IwAR0JJOa0qEFz7qogVrFQeLX6uUuY2ziT5moU6OAVNUW274X9kKYCS5K-SkI
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: PaulP on February 06, 2021, 02:27:55 pm
Try this  https://anchor.fm/lizzie-hone/episodes/A-loss-to-the-old-enemy-but-a-chance-at-success-yet-to-come-epusue?fbclid=IwAR0JJOa0qEFz7qogVrFQeLX6uUuY2ziT5moU6OAVNUW274X9kKYCS5K-SkI

That works. Thanks matey.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 04:46:35 pm
Trading Sarah H, on top of Walker and Dalton being out is not looking like great list management.

Is it the same crew that manages the men?

Walker is injured and will be back.
Dalton is only out for olympic duties and will be back in 2022.

Sarah Hosking out allowed us to get Elise O'Dea and Maddy Guerin in. That is a win for us.
O'Dea is an upgrade on Hosking, albeit a few years older, and Guerin has already offered more than i expected from her and is purely a bonus.

I know we are 0-2, but lets not lose our $h!t just yet. We have a good side. Under pressure now with some injuries, but still a good side.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 04:55:54 pm
To the contrary her disposal efficiency at 62.5% puts her in our top 10 year to date.  However this just shows how stats can mislead, a lot of her poor disposals ie the 37.5% that are not "efficient" are really poor execution.  She is a conundrum, we need to good she brings but the bad really hurt us last night and it it that sort of disposal that is our biggest problem.

Curious where you found DE stats.

Edwards has one of the most awkward looking handballing techniques i've seen.
Her kicking technique is better, but far from ideal.

She is a solid foot soldier, but i cringe every time she is trying to deliver the pill.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: crashlander on February 06, 2021, 04:57:59 pm
Lastly, my daughter, her partner and I have decided to do a podcast on the Blues AFLW team - anyone interested here is our first effort posted before last night's game. About the only thing I think it proves is my future does not lie in weather forecasting!

https://anchor.fm/lizzie-hone/episodes/ ... LJZ6Y_kMOM

Good luck with that, mate. Hope it is a big winner! :)
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 05:11:05 pm
Just looked at team stats for the game.

We lost kicks 141 - 129.

Inside 50's were even.

We won....
Handballs
Disposals
Free kicks
Clearances
MI50
Cont. Poss.
Tackles
Hitouts


We did all the right things, but couldn't get it on the scoreboard!
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 06, 2021, 05:20:00 pm
Just looked at team stats for the game.

We lost kicks 141 - 129.

Inside 50's were even.

We won....
Handballs
Disposals
Free kicks
Clearances
MI50
Cont. Poss.
Tackles
Hitouts


We did all the right things, but couldn't get it on the scoreboard!
I50's were squared up in the last as we dominated it, I can't recall the number in the last. They had way more qtrs 1-3.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 05:23:35 pm
I50's were squared up in the last as we dominated it, I can't recall the number in the last. They had way more qtrs 1-3.
Correct.

We had ball inside our forward half 90% of the last quarter.

....and they kicked the first 2 or 3 goals of it!

EDIT:
Stats here...
https://womens.afl/match-centre/2021/2906/wb-v-carl#teamstats

MI50 4-11
Tackles 55-78
Handballs 69-118
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 05:27:41 pm
Lastly, my daughter, her partner and I have decided to do a podcast on the Blues AFLW team - anyone interested here is our first effort posted before last night's game. About the only thing I think it proves is my future does not lie in weather forecasting!

https://anchor.fm/lizzie-hone/episodes/ ... LJZ6Y_kMOM

Good luck with that.

Had a quick listen...but 80-odd minutes! It goes for as long as the game!  :o

Maybe try and condense it a bit would be my advice.
Your daughter speaks well.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: DJC on February 06, 2021, 06:53:32 pm
Correct.

We had ball inside our forward half 90% of the last quarter.

....and they kicked the first 2 or 3 goals of it!

EDIT:
Stats here...
https://womens.afl/match-centre/2021/2906/wb-v-carl#teamstats

MI50 4-11
Tackles 55-78
Handballs 69-118

I'd like to see the intercept mark (aka kicks direct to the opposition) stats  ::)

I thought we were the better side by far on the night and the stats back that up ... but the scoreboard says, "NO!"
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 06, 2021, 08:22:02 pm
I know we are frustrated being 0-2, but at least we are not Geelong or Richmond.

They have kicked a total of 3 goals each....from their 2 games.
1 goal each in R1
2 goals each in R2.

They are in for a year of pain.

In fact the tigers haven't won a game........ever!

*We have kicked 9 goals from our 2 matches
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LP on February 06, 2021, 11:37:48 pm
We're missing several of our best starting 22, tactics have changed and our game style is paying a heavy price, in a short season it's not the ideal start but it's not baby and bath water time either. Things can change very quickly.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LoveNavy on February 06, 2021, 11:41:09 pm
Interestingly our VFL girls had a similar result v WB.
3q time we lead 17 - 19.
FT 33 - 19
How often do we see that in our men's games too 😫
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LP on February 09, 2021, 11:55:15 am
Charges Laid:
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Madison Prespakis, Carlton, has been charged with Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackle) against Kirsty Lamb, Western Bulldogs, during the third quarter of the Round Two match between the Western Bulldogs and Carlton, played at Whitten Oval on Friday February 5.

In summary, she can accept a reprimand with an early plea.

Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct, Low Impact and High Contact. The incident was classified as a $400 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a reprimand with an early plea.
I cannot recall this specific incident, I do recall an incident where a Dogs players slipped and Madi was penalised for high contact, I hope that isn't the charge!

Not specific to this incident, while I'm all for protecting the head I can't see a rule surviving long if players get penalised for instances of high contact caused by an opponent's actions. Slipping, head ducking, etc., etc., professional sport lawyers would have a field day! If the authorities do not get this right sooner or later someone will challenge things and the cart will be tipped, probably during the finals!

In one AFLW game I saw one team-mate propel/slingshot a team-mate into an opponent, in doing so they won a free for high contact, it was bizarre! Is this a genuine tactic, recruit some spuds and throw them at the opposition? The decision should be the exact opposite or play on, I realise how hard this is to umpire.

Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: DJC on February 09, 2021, 12:08:11 pm
Charges Laid:I cannot recall this specific incident, I do recall an incident where a Dogs players slipped and Madi was penalised for high contact, I hope that isn't the charge!

Not specific to this incident, while I'm all for protecting the head I can't see a rule surviving long if players get penalised for instances of high contact caused by an opponent's actions. Slipping, head ducking, etc., etc., professional sport lawyers would have a field day! If the authorities do not get this right sooner or later someone will challenge things and the cart will be tipped, probably during the finals!

In one AFLW game I saw one team-mate propel/slingshot a team-mate into an opponent, in doing so they won a free for high contact, it was bizarre! Is this a genuine tactic, recruit some spuds and throw them at the opposition? The decision should be the exact opposite or play on, I realise how hard this is to umpire.



I remember Maddy executing a sling tackle and thinking at the time that she could be in trouble.  Improving tackling technique to eliminate sling tackles should be a priority.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: LP on February 09, 2021, 01:12:19 pm
I remember Maddy executing a sling tackle and thinking at the time that she could be in trouble.  Improving tackling technique to eliminate sling tackles should be a priority.
Fair enough.

What did you think of the tackle that got the GWS girl suspended this week?
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: kruddler on February 09, 2021, 05:04:20 pm
I remember Maddy executing a sling tackle and thinking at the time that she could be in trouble.  Improving tackling technique to eliminate sling tackles should be a priority.

Correct.

That is my memory of it too.
Title: Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval
Post by: DJC on February 09, 2021, 05:47:51 pm
Fair enough.

What did you think of the tackle that got the GWS girl suspended this week?

I haven't seen that one LP and I couldn't find it in a quick search.